The Great City...where Christ Was Crucified

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whirlwind

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There are many mentions of cities in the Bible and quite a variety of those: Strong city, priest city, city of David, city of the Lord, tumultuous city, joyous city, rebellious city, golden city, royal city, etc., but the city this post is concerned with is....The Great City.
Genesis 10:8-12 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, "Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord." And the beginning of his kingdom was BABEL, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh ( and the city Rehoboth) and Calah, And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a GREAT CITY.​
The first Biblical mention of a "great city" is Nineveh, associated with Babylon (Iraq of today).
Joshua 10:2 That they feared greatly, because Gibeon was a GREAT CITY, as one of the royal cities, and because it was greater than Ai, and all the men thereof were mighty.
Mighty # 1368 gibbor ~ powerful, by impl. warrior, tyrant, champion, chief, excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.Mighty men often mean...giants, offspring of the fallen angels. Here, this great city, was feared because "all the men thereof were mighty" - all the men were giants! So, the "great city" is connected to Babylon and the fallen angels.​
Jeremiah 22:6-9 For thus saith the Lord unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto Me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited. And I will prepare destroyers against thee, every one with his weapons: and they shall cut down thy choice cedars, and cast them into the fire. And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, 'Wherefore hath the Lord done thus unto this GREAT CITY?' Then they shall answer, 'Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.'​
God is speaking to the king of Judah but He is not speaking about the city of Jerusalem. It is instead the "house of Judah" and they are the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin. He is telling that house that if they worship other gods then He will send destroyers. Some say this references the time Jerusalem was invaded by the Roman general Titus in 70AD but....God is not speaking to the city of Jerusalem here, it is instead the "house of Judah" He is addressing. So, what city does God mean when He says, "many nations shall pass by this city," for that city is the "great city?" This prophesy will happen in the end of days for it is written that those that are in her, the "choice cedars" are to be "cast into the fire" and that is repeated in [Revelation 18:18 below] The cedars are symbolic of people while the choice cedars are those in high positions that helped this Great City. When are those "choice cedars" cast into the fire? In the "time of the harvest" which is the end of days.....
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, 'Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." Jonah 1:2 "Arise, go to Nineveh, that GREAT CITY, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before Me."Jonah 3:2-3 "Arise, go unto Nineveh, that GREAT CITY, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee" So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding GREAT CITY of three days' journey.Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that GREAT CITY, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?"​
Here we have the great city shown as Nineveh, the capital of the ancient kingdom and empire of Assyria, situated about two hundred and fifty miles north of Babylon. This is part of the kingdom of Nimrod.Nineveh was a literal city while the "great city" is not. Nineveh was a type of the great city and all she stands for. It is interesting to me to see God speaking of "sparing" some of those in the great city, in the future sense. Why? Because they are misled...don't know their left from their right. And that is because of their false teachers. The great city is full of false religion, idol worship, apostasy.
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.​
This was shocking to me but I finally realized....THIS IS NOT JERUSALEM BEING SPOKEN OF. Yes, Christ was crucified in Jerusalem, actually outside the gate, but this "great city" is not a literal location. For that reason it is referred to as "spiritually" being called "Sodom and Egypt." Which just means wickedness. Egypt is symbolic of the world, worldly lusts and desires and you know what Sodom is all about.....evil, wickedness. That wickedness is what crucified our Lord and is what will kill the witnesses. It is not a place, the great city is Satan's realm....evil.
 

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I agree that the city spoken of is not a real/ literal city. The reference to Sodom and Egypt is the sin and evil that's taking place in world yes But the referance to "where the Lord was crusified" clearly puts the action the apostasy occuring in Jerusalem its from there Satan will rule from .The key to understand that the location of this happening is in Jerusalem, is in the term, "Where also our Lord was crucified." Jerusalem was referred to as "Sodom and Egypt" in Isaiah 1:9-10, and Ezekiel 16:46, as well as many other passages. The Holy Spirit of God, thus points to Jerusalem as the only place possible, to make that location completely clear
 

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QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 21 2009, 08:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71160
I agree that the city spoken of is not a real/ literal city. The reference to Sodom and Egypt is the sin and evil that's taking place in world yes But the referance to "where the Lord was crusified" clearly puts the action the apostasy occuring in Jerusalem its from there Satan will rule from .The key to understand that the location of this happening is in Jerusalem, is in the term, "Where also our Lord was crucified." Jerusalem was referred to as "Sodom and Egypt" in Isaiah 1:9-10, and Ezekiel 16:46, as well as many other passages. The Holy Spirit of God, thus points to Jerusalem as the only place possible, to make that location completely clear
Of course, this apostasy will take place in Jerusalem... because Christ was born in Bethlehem, Jerusalem... of course it make sense.
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QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 21 2009, 08:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71160
I agree that the city spoken of is not a real/ literal city. The reference to Sodom and Egypt is the sin and evil that's taking place in world yes But the referance to "where the Lord was crusified" clearly puts the action the apostasy occuring in Jerusalem its from there Satan will rule from .The key to understand that the location of this happening is in Jerusalem, is in the term, "Where also our Lord was crucified." Jerusalem was referred to as "Sodom and Egypt" in Isaiah 1:9-10, and Ezekiel 16:46, as well as many other passages. The Holy Spirit of God, thus points to Jerusalem as the only place possible, to make that location completely clear
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.When Satan is kicked out of heaven I have no doubt he will operate out of the literal Jerusalem....where he will pretend to be Christ. But the question here is just where will the "dead bodies" lay? He tells us it will be "in the streets of the great city" and the great city isn't Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the "holy city," not the great city. A few months ago I researched the "Great City" of the Bible and found that it is not Jerusalem at all, as I and many others thought. Here is what I found about the other city, the "Holy City." The first mention of Jerusalem being called the Holy City, is.....
Nehemiah 11:1 And the rulers of the People dwelt at Jerusalem: the rest of the People also cast lots, to bring one of ten to dwell in Jerusalem the holy city, and none parts to dwell in other cities.Isaiah 48:1-2 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. For they call themseles of the holy city and stay themselves upon the God of Israel: The Lord of hosts is His name.52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength O Zion: put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
We know this is the future, and will happen after the 2nd Advent of Christ....for the "unclean" are certainly there now.​
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
We know this is the future, and will happen after the 2nd Advent of Christ....for there has not yet been an "end of sins," "reconciliation for iniquity," or "everlasting righteousness." All prophecy has certainly not been fulfilled and above all....The Most Holy has not yet been anointed!​
Matthew 5:4 Then the devil taketh Him up into the holy city, and setteth Him on a pinnacle of the temple.27:53 And came out of the graves after His resurection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the Temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
So here in Revelation we see what the holy city Jerusalem was a type for, a shadow of the "new holy city Jerusalem."​
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in the book.​
It seems our Father always balances good against evil, a positive for a negative. As Jerusalem is The Holy City we also have that Great City - MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. We also see that she is not really a city but is symbolic of all those gathered in her. She is evil, she is Satan's handmaiden, she is an abomination and the world drinks from her cup. As Nineveh and Babylon are physical types of the great city and those that live in her at the end times so is Jerusalem a type for God's holy city....His children.As the great city is actually those that sin and follow their father then the Holy City is just the opposite. The Holy City is us, children of God and we follow our Father. The very last verse of the Old Testament tells us about this time.....it is important!
Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.​
Back to the witnesses and where their bodies lie....they will be killed in different areas of the world..."Sodom and Egypt" and as their bodies lie in the street in many different locations...there have to be more than two witnesses. The understanding of the great city and the holy city (and I don't mean Rome
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) made dealing with there being more than two literal witnesses clearer for me. This is a lot to be throwing out at one time but it is what the Holy Spirit has led me to understand. It certainly isn't something anyone has to agree with but please take your time and consider what is written.