Greetings,I don't understand the concept of a ALL loving God who willing fully sends people to hell if they don't believe in Him. How does it make sense that the god of the bible can hang onto his all loving attribute yet still scare people by saying he will send them to hell unless they seek salvation. - Regards.
Why Does God Damn People To Hell If He Is All Loving?
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QUOTE (Mustafah @ Mar 22 2009, 11:29 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71174
Greetings,I don't understand the concept of a ALL loving God who willing fully sends people to hell if they don't believe in Him. How does it make sense that the god of the bible can hang onto his all loving attribute yet still scare people by saying he will send them to hell unless they seek salvation. - Regards.
First of all, God is 100% Fair and Just... God gave us a choice to choose Him or Satan. It's all about Free Will. Every single soul has and will get a chance to have Free Will. God is not going to shove salvation down to people's throats. He wants us to come to Him out of Love. He does not want our fear. He wants our Love.Now you may ask, how about those unborn babies that die because of abortion etc? While it's true, that they themselves could not make a choice (free will) to choose either one... They are not the ones being hold responsibility. They will be taught and will be seen in the Millennium Reign. So therefore, at the Millennium Reign, they will have Free Will. After the Millennium Reign, Satan comes loose to deceive the people one more time. After that, there comes Judgment Day where all are going to be judged by God.
Greetings,I don't understand the concept of a ALL loving God who willing fully sends people to hell if they don't believe in Him. How does it make sense that the god of the bible can hang onto his all loving attribute yet still scare people by saying he will send them to hell unless they seek salvation. - Regards.
First of all, God is 100% Fair and Just... God gave us a choice to choose Him or Satan. It's all about Free Will. Every single soul has and will get a chance to have Free Will. God is not going to shove salvation down to people's throats. He wants us to come to Him out of Love. He does not want our fear. He wants our Love.Now you may ask, how about those unborn babies that die because of abortion etc? While it's true, that they themselves could not make a choice (free will) to choose either one... They are not the ones being hold responsibility. They will be taught and will be seen in the Millennium Reign. So therefore, at the Millennium Reign, they will have Free Will. After the Millennium Reign, Satan comes loose to deceive the people one more time. After that, there comes Judgment Day where all are going to be judged by God.
QUOTE (Mustafah @ Mar 22 2009, 12:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71174
Greetings,I don't understand the concept of a ALL loving God who willing fully sends people to hell if they don't believe in Him. How does it make sense that the god of the bible can hang onto his all loving attribute yet still scare people by saying he will send them to hell unless they seek salvation. - Regards.
God is loving and merciful. He did not create sin and suffering. It came into the world when he us gave free will. You can choose to do it God's way or not. One path leads to suffering and the other happiness. God does not want to take away free will because love must be freely given. So he has to allow us to return to him and to acknowledge that his way is the best and only way. All of this takes time and many people will suffer along the way, but God in the end knows that he will have to end it at the best possible moment. Only he knows that time. However, he wants people to see that he has been infinitely patient so that nobody will repeat Satan's lie in Genesis 3: 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Implicit in this is that God is afraid. He cannot allow that to stand, but he has to show that he has given every opportunity to those who reject him so that nobody can say that he is acting out of fear or to silence opposition.Everybody must take a side. You cannot sit on the fence. To try to sit on the fence is to say no to God. If you can't agree that God's way is right then you do not belong in Heaven where sin and suffering cannot exist. It is all a matter of choice. It comes down to free will.Nobody knows for sure what Hell is. There is much symbolism in Revelation. Some people think that it says that Satan and his followers will be destroyed. Others think that Hell is just being separated from God and his love forever. Death would be preferable than to not have love. It is the one thing that we cannot do without because God made us to love and receive love.In the end it should not matter. God is not choosing their fate; they are. That is what free will means. He is just telling you what happens if you make the wrong choice. God takes no pleasure in our suffering. It pains him, but he cannot make that choice for us. Otherwise he would have made us like robots and spared us. But then love would not exist for us and God wants to love us because that is his nature. We are the objects of his love.The concept of Hell does not exist to act as a deterrent and scare people into obedience. That does not work because people are not coming to God because they love him, but because they fear the consequences. We are not made Heaven ready by being fearful, but by taking on the character of Jesus Christ who was loving to the point of dying for sinners. Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.This is also the reason why Jesus is the only path to Heaven. God came into the world to demonstrate his love for us. We must acknowledge that or he has wasted his time. Jesus Christ is the fullest expression of God's love.
Greetings,I don't understand the concept of a ALL loving God who willing fully sends people to hell if they don't believe in Him. How does it make sense that the god of the bible can hang onto his all loving attribute yet still scare people by saying he will send them to hell unless they seek salvation. - Regards.
God is loving and merciful. He did not create sin and suffering. It came into the world when he us gave free will. You can choose to do it God's way or not. One path leads to suffering and the other happiness. God does not want to take away free will because love must be freely given. So he has to allow us to return to him and to acknowledge that his way is the best and only way. All of this takes time and many people will suffer along the way, but God in the end knows that he will have to end it at the best possible moment. Only he knows that time. However, he wants people to see that he has been infinitely patient so that nobody will repeat Satan's lie in Genesis 3: 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Implicit in this is that God is afraid. He cannot allow that to stand, but he has to show that he has given every opportunity to those who reject him so that nobody can say that he is acting out of fear or to silence opposition.Everybody must take a side. You cannot sit on the fence. To try to sit on the fence is to say no to God. If you can't agree that God's way is right then you do not belong in Heaven where sin and suffering cannot exist. It is all a matter of choice. It comes down to free will.Nobody knows for sure what Hell is. There is much symbolism in Revelation. Some people think that it says that Satan and his followers will be destroyed. Others think that Hell is just being separated from God and his love forever. Death would be preferable than to not have love. It is the one thing that we cannot do without because God made us to love and receive love.In the end it should not matter. God is not choosing their fate; they are. That is what free will means. He is just telling you what happens if you make the wrong choice. God takes no pleasure in our suffering. It pains him, but he cannot make that choice for us. Otherwise he would have made us like robots and spared us. But then love would not exist for us and God wants to love us because that is his nature. We are the objects of his love.The concept of Hell does not exist to act as a deterrent and scare people into obedience. That does not work because people are not coming to God because they love him, but because they fear the consequences. We are not made Heaven ready by being fearful, but by taking on the character of Jesus Christ who was loving to the point of dying for sinners. Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.This is also the reason why Jesus is the only path to Heaven. God came into the world to demonstrate his love for us. We must acknowledge that or he has wasted his time. Jesus Christ is the fullest expression of God's love.
because being a loving God doesn't mean there is no punishment for unrepentant sin or for rejection of salvation.
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God's wages is death...
Man's wages is burning in hell forever.
God's says, I will destroy death (1st Corth. 15:26), so what
do we have when God destroys the last (ENEMY), which is
DEATH.
You have LIFE!!!
Logabe
Mustafah...It makes no sense @ all if you believe that Jesus will leave
just one soul in hell forever. God is a loving God and he has a plan for
everyone. He loves everyone and He will SAVE everyone in His Appointed
Time. Acts 3:20-21 says,
20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration
of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy
prophets from ancient time.
Romans 8:21 says,
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery
to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Mustafah...when death is destroyed by God, we will all ( creation) see
and understand the MERCY and the GRACE of God in a greater
magnitude. Just hang on...God isn't finished with us yet.
Logabe
According to the scriptures, death is the just punishment for sin, not unending torment.
Nomad
Post Tenebras Lux
According to the scriptures, death is the just punishment for sin, not unending torment.
No, according to the Scriptures, death is the just punishment for sin, which ultimately results in the second death and eternal punishment. Remember, if the punishment Jesus promises isn't eternal, then neither is the life he promises. You can't have it both ways.
Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
I'm aware of your opinion, I just disagree with it. Jesus was punished for our sin is He also going to suffer unending torment???
Nomad
Post Tenebras Lux
according to scripture being thrown into the lake of fire is a punishment for sin and rejection of salvation.
Got some scripture?
[font="'trebuchet ms"]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23[/font]
Got some scripture?
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
use a concordance and the words 'lake of fire', 'eternal damnation' and look up revelation.
Seeing that you responded again without any scriptures, does this mean you have no scriptures to support your interpretation?
I posted a scripture that states the punishment for sin is death. Do you disagree with that?
If Jesus was punished for our sins will He be eternally damned in the lake of fire as well?
I hope you can see the conflict in this paradigm.
Nomad
Post Tenebras Lux
The only conflict here is the category error in your thinking.
Joh 10:17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.
Joh 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."
Now tell me, does the Bible say Jesus had to be damned in the Lake of Fire? No, it doesn't.
Does the BIble say that unbelievers will be damned in the Lake of Fire? Yes, it does.
The problem here isn't that Scripture isn't clear enough. The problem here is your unBilical reasoning. There is no conflict.
I can understand where you would have trouble understanding this. If there was one thing that is taught in the bible that I would remove if I had the power it would be the doctrine of Hell... But I do not have that power because God teaches it clearly in his word. But I think one of the problems that you are having is that you start off with an error in your premise. The error is that God willfully sends people to Hell. It is not God's will that any should perish, but that all would have everlasting life. No, God does not send anyone to Hell. But what God will do is to honor our choice. Free will is part of what makes man what he is. But the choice is not between Heaven or Hell, it is between serving God or wanting nothing to do with Him. If you choose to serve God, then you will do what is required to establish a relationship with him. You will serve him. If you do this, then God blesses you with many blessings, including Heaven, and glorified body, so that you can enjoy his presence for all of eternity. If you don't want anything to do with him, and even if it is not his will, and it will break his heart, he will honor that choice and withdraw his presence from you for all of eternity. And since every good thing comes from him, Hell is the eternal result of being separated from him for all eternity.
In eternity there will be two types of people. Those that say to God, "Thy will be done." And the ones that God will say to them, "Thy will be done."
Joshua David.
Nomad...I believe it is the problem. We can't assume what the scriptures
mean but we have to look them up and make sure of our calling.
The Greek word aionios is the adjective form of aion, “pertaining to an age.”
Young's Concordance says that it means “age-lasting.” In his Bible
translation, he consistently translates the Greek word aionios into English
even more literally as “age-during” to show that it means the events occur
“during” whatever age the author was discussing.
For example, in Matthew 25:45, 46, we read,
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of these, the least, ye did
it not to me.
46 And those shall go away to punishment age-during, but
the righteous to life age-during.
Rotherham's The Emphasized Bible, is much like Young's Literal Translation.
He renders verse 46,
46 And these shall go away into age-abiding correction, but
the righteous into age-abiding life.
Benjamin Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott does not presume to render aionios
“everlasting,” but prefers to just transliterate it directly from the Greek. This
non-committal attitude allows men to interpret this word as they wish. He
renders verse 46:
46 And these shall go forth to the aionian cutting-off; but the
righteous to aionian Life.
The Concordant Literal New Testament, renders verse 46,
46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian,
yet the just into life eonian.
In Matthew 19:29 Jesus spoke of the reward of the righteous, which is
zoen aionion. This is usually translated “life eternal” or “life everlasting.”
Dr. Young renders the verse,
29 and every one who left houses, or brothers, or sisters, or
father, or mother, or wife, or children, or fields, for my name's
sake, an hundredfold shall receive and life age-during shall
inherit.
What is the meaning of “life age-during?” Is it the same as immorality? Not
exactly. Immortality is a word describing the quality of life that we have after
death is abolished. Life that is “age-during,” describes the age in which we
shall have that immortality. That age is specifically what the ancient rabbis
called the “Messianic Age,” or “The Age.”
This concept of the eons, or ages, is obscured by translating zoen aionion
as “life everlasting” and kolasin aionion as “everlasting punishment.”
(Matthew 25:46). The fact is that neither is “everlasting.” Certainly, immortality
itself is life that never ends. But “age-during life” points specifically to AN AGE
when some believers will enjoy the blessings of immortal life. And “age-during
judgment” points specifically to AN AGE of judgment for unbelievers.
Logabe
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