The Numbers 12 and 13, Fertility, The Zodiac, Religion, Time and Music’s Common Thread

Stranger · Feb 1, 2020

amadeus said:
Years ago when my old friend mentioned above @dorian37grey used to post some of these things on one of @Mike Waters old forums and other places I copied to my computer hoping to one day get into a study on it in connection with scripture. Now may be the time but it may be a deep thing. Hopefully with the consent @Stranger I will copy his posts here and with what I already have and my Bible and the Holy Spirit, God may give me something good!

Certainly, feel free to use anything I have written. I don't think you need my consent though as it belongs to the forum. Nothing is original here with me. I have gotten it and learned it from the books I mentioned in post #(21). I would encourage anyone interested to obtain those.

Stranger

amadeus · Feb 1, 2020

Nancy said:
If I had your computer, I would never have to read another book for the rest of my life, lol! Except The Word, of course...

I try to save anything of mine or of other people on this forum into my computer. The problem is organization and access. When it is organized it is findable. So many things are saved in a very scattered manner. Every few usually I'll find time to reorganize, but it is almost impossible. When I do get at it I may work at it for hours but never get done before I get tired of doing it or other issues become pressing. The same is true of writings of more an autobiographical nature and my thousands of pictures from a lifetime.

I have one granddaughter living in Florida [about 24 yrs old] who visited us in December. She has been disowned by her father [my daughter's husband] but I told her I would try to E-mail some of the pictures she would like to have of her family here. I have gathered a few hundred I believe she would like, but now I have to actually start sending them. She is a beautiful young lady who hopes to be married later this year. Though we are not much for traveling any more, my wife and I have decided that if she goes ahead, we will somehow make the trip so she will have someone from her old family with her at such an important event. Keep her and us in prayer about that. [She is my daughter's step daughter but she grew up with us so although there is no direct blood relation, she IS our granddaughter.]

amadeus · Feb 1, 2020

Stranger said:
Certainly, feel free to use anything I have written. I don't think you need my consent though as it belongs to the forum. Nothing is original here with me. I have gotten it and learned it from the books I mentioned in post #(21). I would encourage anyone interested to obtain those.

Stranger

Understood, but I don't like to presume too much. Thank you kindly!

Mike Waters · Feb 2, 2020

Stranger said:
This comes from E.W. Bullinger, 'The Witness of the Stars'.

Stranger

Great thread that is bringing back many memories.
In one of my forums we had a dedicated Welsh follower of E.W. Bullinger....name of 'Christine', who hated being referred to as a 'Hyper Dispensationist'.
Also I remember trolling through a friends livingwater.createaforum.com and coming across the Kingsman Redeemer specialist (I think it was in a thread about Daniel) and I think his username was Patrick (Amadeus might remember).

Stranger · Feb 2, 2020

amadeus said:
Understood, but I don't like to presume too much. Thank you kindly!

You're quite welcome.

Stranger

Stranger · Feb 2, 2020

Mike Waters said:
Great thread that is bringing back many memories.
In one of my forums we had a dedicated Welsh follower of E.W. Bullinger....name of 'Christine', who hated being referred to as a 'Hyper Dispensationist'.
Also I remember trolling through a friends livingwater.createaforum.com and coming across the Kingsman Redeemer specialist (I think it was in a thread about Daniel) and I think his username was Patrick (Amadeus might remember).

I'm not a 'follower' of Bullinger, but I think he did a good work with 'The Witness Of The Stars'. But I like Joseph Seiss's work as well.

I'm familiar with 'kinsman redeemer' but not so much 'Kingsman Redeemer'.

Stranger

Stranger · Feb 2, 2020

E.W. Bullinger's third and last category of the star groups, making up the Gospel found in the Zodiac, is titled 'Redeemers Second Coming'.

9.) Taurus--The Bull, Messiah coming to rule. Speaks to Messiah as Judge of all the earth.
a.) Orion--Light breaking forth in the person of the Redeemer.
b.) Eridanus--River of the Judge, wrath breaking forth upon enemies.
c.) Auriga--Shephard, Safety for the redeemed in the day of wrath.

10.) Gemini--The Twins, the twofold nature of the King. Speaks to Messiahs Reign as Prince of Peace.
a.) Lepus--The Hare, the enemy trodden underfoot.
b.) Canis Major--The dog, Sirus, the coming glorious Prince of princess.
c.) Canis Minor--Second dog, Procyon, the exhalted Redeemer.

11.) Cancer--The Crab, Possession held fast. Speaks to Messiahs redeemed Possessions.
a.) Ursa Minor--Lesser Bear, lesser sheepfold.
b.) Ursa Major--Great Bear, fold and flock.
c.) Argo--The Ship, Redeemed pilgrims safe at home.

12.) Leo--The Lion, Lion of the tribe of Judah aroused for the rending of he enemy. Speaks to Messiahs Triumph.
a.) Hydra--The Serpent, devil destroyed.
b.) Crater--The cup, cup of wrath poured on him.
c.) Corvus--Crow or Raven, birds of prey devouring him.

Stranger

Mike Waters · Feb 2, 2020

Stranger said:
I'm familiar with 'kinsman redeemer' but not so much 'Kingsman Redeemer'.

Stranger

Thanks for the 'Heads-up' ..... I've corrected the typo.

Stranger · Feb 2, 2020

Mike Waters said:
Thanks for the 'Heads-up' ..... I've corrected the typo.

You're quite welcome.

Stranger

Stranger · Feb 2, 2020

Concerning the Zodiac that was presented and their basic meanings, much more can be studied about each sign given. As I said earlier, Joseph Seiss in his book 'Gospel In The Stars does a very good job. And I would encourage every one to study each one further. Of course we always keep in mind that this is ancient revelation from God, and very general and basic. We now have the very special revelation from God, the Bible, which far exceeds the Zodiac.

So, astrology is rejected as condemned by God. But the origin of the Zodiac is from God and can be studied in that light. We have already seen that declared in (Job 38:31-33). "...Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season...." The answer is no, you can't. Only God can accomplish those steps of salvation described in the Zodiac.

Another reference in (Job) is (Job 26:13). "By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent." The garnishing the heavens would refer to the Zodiac and the crooked serpent to Hydra, the decan constellation under Leo, which showed the triumph of Redeemer over the devil.

One might ask, if this Zodiac is truly from God, how could it be lost for so long a time to the people of God? Well, the people of God are known to lose that which is given them from God. Look at how the Jews had discarded their own Scriptures so long that they no longer knew what was in them. (2 Chron. 34:8-33)

As said earlier, this helps explain why there are some similarities in many pagan religions to the Christian faith. It is not that Christianity has copied them. It is because paganism has built it's false religion using many of the truths found in the Zodiac revelation from God. The Christian faith, however, is in agreement with and enhances and declares the truths found in that original revelation from God.

And, this is why the Magi, those wise men of the east, Gentiles from far away, somehow knew to observe and follow some starry sign in the heaven to where the Redeemer would be born. They were going by the primitive revelation that was passed down to them. Even in their pagan world, there were strands of truth still visible.

Stranger

amadeus · Feb 2, 2020

Mike Waters said:
Great thread that is bringing back many memories.
In one of my forums we had a dedicated Welsh follower of E.W. Bullinger....name of 'Christine', who hated being referred to as a 'Hyper Dispensationist'.
Also I remember trolling through a friends livingwater.createaforum.com and coming across the Kingsman Redeemer specialist (I think it was in a thread about Daniel) and I think his username was Patrick (Amadeus might remember).

Yes, Patrick it is. He is the one I have mentioned on this thread. He has been a member here @dorian37grey . I was in personal touch with him last year by E-mail trying to get more details about family, illness, etc. He had been sick with stage 4 lung cancer. He was hospitalized while we were communicating. Before I could much more that made sense from his E-mails stopped arriving. His mind was apparently affected as some of his replies were nonsensical to me. He remembered better times on other forums, including yours.

The last E-mail I received was dated 11-2-2019. I have sent messages to him since then but have received no response whatsoever. In his last actual response in October he indicated that his wife had died 2 years prior. They had twin sons aged, 37 and a girl aged 35. When not in the hospital he was living with a sister and brother-in-law to receive the special assistance he required. I don't know the names or locations of any of his family. I have only the e-mail address to which no one now responds.

mychael · Feb 2, 2020

amadeus said:
I really do seriously hope that someone when I am gone will find good use for all the things saved in my computer. I fear that no one will bother. I have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, and yet not one at this point taking much interest in God and the things of God. I do pray that that changes. I would like to see it in my lifetime, but if it happens after I am gone, that would also be OK!

It would be better if it was written on a person's heart instead of a computer but try is a word that can never be beaten.

amadeus · Feb 2, 2020

mychael said:
It would be better if it was written on a person's heart instead of a computer but try is a word that can never be beaten.

Absolutely! I still pray for my family. Some of them have a glimmer, which I hope will become a seven fold Light.!

mychael · Feb 3, 2020

amadeus said:
Absolutely! I still pray for my family. Some of them have a glimmer, which I hope will become a seven fold Light.!

With Family I am in the same boat as you. It is sad when we can reach others but can't reach our own. I guess it will have to be faith and prayer that I can sill do in this regard. My prayers today is for the Family unit Lord Please have Mercy and send the right teacher to our Family Members that They may receive your Light and change their ways in time Lord.
Lord have Mercy
In Jesus's name
Amen
Thank you Amadeus for inpsiring me to Try

mychael · Feb 3, 2020

mychael said:
With Family I am in the same boat as you. It is sad when we can reach others but can't reach our own. I guess it will have to be faith and prayer that I can sill do in this regard. My prayers today is for the Family unit Lord Please have Mercy and send the right teacher to our Family Members that They may receive your Light and change their ways in time Lord.
Lord have Mercy
In Jesus's name
Amen
Thank you Amadeus for inpsiring me to Try

correction inspiring

mychael · Feb 3, 2020

Stranger said:
I'm not a 'follower' of Bullinger, but I think he did a good work with 'The Witness Of The Stars'. But I like Joseph Seiss's work as well.

I'm familiar with 'kinsman redeemer' but not so much 'Kingsman Redeemer'.

Stranger

I looked over your post and see you have studied some of the great writings regarding the Zodiac.
Have you had the chance to study Manly P Hall? How about Helena Petrovna Blavatsky?
Have you studied other Calander systems for instance the one in the great pyramid, or the relationship between the Baktun count (144,000 days) of the Mayans Aztec and more importantly the Olmec peoples and the connection Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent has to Thoth, Hermes and Enoch and Biblical writings? The Story is written in so many different ways that all that could be reached, can be reached!

mychael · Feb 3, 2020

mychael said:
I looked over your post and see you have studied some of the great writings regarding the Zodiac.
Have you had the chance to study Manly P Hall? How about Helena Petrovna Blavatsky?
Have you studied other Calendar systems for instance the one in the great pyramid, or the relationship between the Baktun count (144,000 days) of the Mayans Aztec and more importantly the Olmec peoples and the connection Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent has to Thoth, Hermes and Enoch and Biblical writings? The Story is written in so many different ways that all that could be reached, can be reached!

You just have to use the right words, the correct system of understanding that the person your talking to could receive the Message, the right key that unlocks the door.

Mike Waters · Feb 3, 2020

mychael said:
With Family I am in the same boat as you. It is sad when we can reach others but can't reach our own. I guess it will have to be faith and prayer that I can sill do in this regard. My prayers today is for the Family unit Lord Please have Mercy and send the right teacher to our Family Members that They may receive your Light and change their ways in time Lord.
Lord have Mercy
In Jesus's name
Amen
Thank you Amadeus for inpsiring me to Try

Same with me and my family ..... and with many other elderly Christian church goers who all have children that don't 'fall in'.

amadeus · Feb 3, 2020

mychael said:
With Family I am in the same boat as you. It is sad when we can reach others but can't reach our own. I guess it will have to be faith and prayer that I can sill do in this regard. My prayers today is for the Family unit Lord Please have Mercy and send the right teacher to our Family Members that They may receive your Light and change their ways in time Lord.
Lord have Mercy
In Jesus's name
Amen
Thank you Amadeus for inpsiring me to Try

I am praying with you my friend! It is never too late while there is still time.
Give God the glory!

Stranger · Feb 3, 2020

mychael said:
I looked over your post and see you have studied some of the great writings regarding the Zodiac.
Have you had the chance to study Manly P Hall? How about Helena Petrovna Blavatsky?
Have you studied other Calander systems for instance the one in the great pyramid, or the relationship between the Baktun count (144,000 days) of the Mayans Aztec and more importantly the Olmec peoples and the connection Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent has to Thoth, Hermes and Enoch and Biblical writings? The Story is written in so many different ways that all that could be reached, can be reached!

No, never heard of them, other than Enoch and perhaps Biblical writings. And I really don't have interest there.

My point with the Zodiac is that it is of God. And the special revelation of God we have in the Bible, enhances and adds to that revelation considerably.

Any other system of religion that takes things from that, yet develops a false religion, is still a false religion. It is not to be seen as comparable with the Zodiac which is from God.

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