Christ on the White horse comes with JudahWe are given a description of Christ returning in all the verses below, that bring out the truth and clarity of what takes place and with who.The tribe of Judah is the bow of Christ at his coming, who are described as the armies of Heaven. For they have been changed and are in white linen.Revelation 19:14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horse and dressed in "FINE LINEN". white and clean.(15) Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with a an iron scepter. When Christ comes the armies of heaven are with him. This is Judah who has been given white linen, which stands for righteousness and they belong to Christ for they have been removed during the removal of the animal sacrificing. Daniel 12:11. They are taken by Christ as Rev 12:6.Revelation 19:14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean, (for these have been changed by Christ to reign forever, Judah, as Rev 14:1 brings this out)Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him , 144000 who had his name and the Father's name written on their foreheads.These follow the Lamb where He goes for they are HIS BOW their promised inheritance in the Kingdom of God.Here is a verse below that should help see this clearly they come back with him for they have been redeem and will always be God's bow.Zechariah 10:3- Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and _hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle_. 4 Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together.5.) And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: _and they shall fight,_ because the LORD is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded. (Rev 14:1)This prophecy in these verses are speaking of Christ at his return. We have this appearing in the near future, as Christ is giving back the Holy City where his people will reign forever and ever with those called the elect. Amos 3:7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does NOTHING WITHOUT REVEALING HIS PLAN TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS. There are more in the O.T. if you will read the prophets there is much spoken that matches up perfectly with Revelation. The 7th trumpet is blown as described in Zechariah 9:14 I like it where Christ says: Zechariah 9:13 I will bend Judah as I bend my "BOW" and fill it with Ephraim. I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons O Greece, and make you like a warriors sword. God gives us a perfect description of His making the tribes HIS BOW and destroying the Sons of Greece. Who have wroth destruction upon the Holy Land, the Son of Perdition being in the temple and causing desolation. How vivid this prophecy is of what is coming. Then the description continues on into the kingdom of God that is soon appearing on the earth.Zechariah 10:4-6 From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle BOW, from him every ruler. Together they will be like mighty men, trampling the muddy streets in battle. BECAUSE THE LORD IS WITH THEM, THEY WILL FIGHT AND OVERTHROW THE HORSEMEN. What a magnificent picture wrote out for us to understand to see what the Day of the Lord will be like and all the prophets were given visions of it to tell us about this great DAY of the Lord that is fast approaching. IN Christ's precious and wonder truths.Vickie
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Sorry sis unless Im really missing something I see no evidence for much of any of this The ones that come with Christ are the Saints Judah (Jews) are on earth with they are the remenaut that preserves the Law one of the two sticks in Eze 37 that make up the true church(bride). The rider on the first white horse is Antichrist (Satan) the Rider on the second white Horse is Christ coming with his army of Saints ......not JudahEze.37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. Joseph with Ephraim and his fellow Israel are the Christain nations(10 lost trbes) and Judah are the Jews these are the two sticks that will be joinedRev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Hi my sister, I can respect your position and I am not here to change your understanding. The only thing I would like to express is there is the promise to each of the 12 tribes that were given to them at birth. Gen 49:8-12 is Judah, the scepter will not depart from Judahfor this tribe, Christ descended from through Mary and the praises of His brothers, with thepower on his enemy's neck. Judah is the bow with Ephraim the arrow. This blessing can not be removed. No one can fill this officeestablished by the King Jesus. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.I some times feel people forget that the promises made to the 12 tribes first was extended to the Saints. All wear white robes because of the righteousness of Christ from being grafted into the promises given through Christ to His chosen firstfruits. Zech 10:4 Speaks of Christ return, Judah the cornerstone, the tent peg, the battle bow from him every rulercomes in the coming kingdom of God on the earth. As Christ speaks it in verse 5 last part: Because the Lord is with them, Judah, they will fight and overthrow the HORSEMEN. Zech 12:3 On that DAY (of the Lord), when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem animmovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4.) On that DAY I will strikeevery horse with panic, and it's rider with madness, declares the Lord. (Rev 19:19) I will KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE over the HOUSE OF JUDAH. , BUT I WILL BLIND ALL THE HORSES OF THE NATIONS. Then the Leadersof Judah will say in THEIR HEARTS, "THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM ARE STRONG, BECAUSE THE LORD ALMIGHTY IS THEIR GOD.You don't have to accept what is written here in Zechariah, but the promise to Judah is there and it will be what the Lord sayswhen the nations come against Jerusalem at Christ's return and he has brought Judah to fight against them to destroy all the nations that was sent against Jerusalem that ends this Age under man government and sets up the Millennium. Zech 10:7 The Ephraimites will become like mighty men, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be joyful; their hearts will rejoice in the Lord. We have such a beautiful promise from the Lord as this chapter promises Judah and the Ephraimites. A clear reality of the hope to be attained from the blessing given in Gen 49. We will have the shroud removed at his coming and we will entered into the kingdom of God in Jerusalem.The promised land to those who have been consecrated through Christ. Right now we all see darkly as Paul spoke. Isa 25:7 On this mountain he will destroy the SHROUD that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations,8.) he will swallow up death forever, the Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces. The land has been promised where each tribe will dwell in the coming kingdom of God. Askelon is given toJudah. Ephraim is not to far from them, I believe to the north. In Christ's holy and precious words Vickie
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Hi my sister, I can respect your position and I am not here to change your understanding. The only thing I would like to express is there is the promise to each of the 12 tribes that were given to them at birth. Gen 49:8-12 is Judah, the scepter will not depart from Judahfor this tribe, Christ descended from through Mary and the praises of His brothers, with thepower on his enemy's neck. Judah is the bow with Ephraim the arrow. This blessing can not be removed. No one can fill this officeestablished by the King Jesus. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.I some times feel people forget that the promises made to the 12 tribes first was extended to the Saints. All wear white robes because of the righteousness of Christ from being grafted into the promises given through Christ to His chosen firstfruits. Zech 10:4 Speaks of Christ return, Judah the cornerstone, the tent peg, the battle bow from him every rulercomes in the coming kingdom of God on the earth. As Christ speaks it in verse 5 last part: Because the Lord is with them, Judah, they will fight and overthrow the HORSEMEN. Zech 12:3 On that DAY (of the Lord), when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem animmovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4.) On that DAY I will strikeevery horse with panic, and it's rider with madness, declares the Lord. (Rev 19:19) I will KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE over the HOUSE OF JUDAH. , BUT I WILL BLIND ALL THE HORSES OF THE NATIONS. Then the Leadersof Judah will say in THEIR HEARTS, "THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM ARE STRONG, BECAUSE THE LORD ALMIGHTY IS THEIR GOD.You don't have to accept what is written here in Zechariah, but the promise to Judah is there and it will be what the Lord sayswhen the nations come against Jerusalem at Christ's return and he has brought Judah to fight against them to destroy all the nations that was sent against Jerusalem that ends this Age under man government and sets up the Millennium. Zech 10:7 The Ephraimites will become like mighty men, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be joyful; their hearts will rejoice in the Lord. We have such a beautiful promise from the Lord as this chapter promises Judah and the Ephraimites. A clear reality of the hope to be attained from the blessing given in Gen 49. We will have the shroud removed at his coming and we will entered into the kingdom of God in Jerusalem.The promised land to those who have been consecrated through Christ. Right now we all see darkly as Paul spoke. Isa 25:7 On this mountain he will destroy the SHROUD that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations,8.) he will swallow up death forever, the Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces. The land has been promised where each tribe will dwell in the coming kingdom of God. Askelon is given toJudah. Ephraim is not to far from them, I believe to the north. In Christ's holy and precious words Vickie
Judah is only 1-2 tribes of Israel. Not the whole set of Israel. The other 10 tribes belongs to Joseph through Jacob as Jacob is Israel. The other 10 tribes are not Judah as they are not Jews.
Hi my sister, I can respect your position and I am not here to change your understanding. The only thing I would like to express is there is the promise to each of the 12 tribes that were given to them at birth. Gen 49:8-12 is Judah, the scepter will not depart from Judahfor this tribe, Christ descended from through Mary and the praises of His brothers, with thepower on his enemy's neck. Judah is the bow with Ephraim the arrow. This blessing can not be removed. No one can fill this officeestablished by the King Jesus. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.I some times feel people forget that the promises made to the 12 tribes first was extended to the Saints. All wear white robes because of the righteousness of Christ from being grafted into the promises given through Christ to His chosen firstfruits. Zech 10:4 Speaks of Christ return, Judah the cornerstone, the tent peg, the battle bow from him every rulercomes in the coming kingdom of God on the earth. As Christ speaks it in verse 5 last part: Because the Lord is with them, Judah, they will fight and overthrow the HORSEMEN. Zech 12:3 On that DAY (of the Lord), when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem animmovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4.) On that DAY I will strikeevery horse with panic, and it's rider with madness, declares the Lord. (Rev 19:19) I will KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE over the HOUSE OF JUDAH. , BUT I WILL BLIND ALL THE HORSES OF THE NATIONS. Then the Leadersof Judah will say in THEIR HEARTS, "THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM ARE STRONG, BECAUSE THE LORD ALMIGHTY IS THEIR GOD.You don't have to accept what is written here in Zechariah, but the promise to Judah is there and it will be what the Lord sayswhen the nations come against Jerusalem at Christ's return and he has brought Judah to fight against them to destroy all the nations that was sent against Jerusalem that ends this Age under man government and sets up the Millennium. Zech 10:7 The Ephraimites will become like mighty men, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be joyful; their hearts will rejoice in the Lord. We have such a beautiful promise from the Lord as this chapter promises Judah and the Ephraimites. A clear reality of the hope to be attained from the blessing given in Gen 49. We will have the shroud removed at his coming and we will entered into the kingdom of God in Jerusalem.The promised land to those who have been consecrated through Christ. Right now we all see darkly as Paul spoke. Isa 25:7 On this mountain he will destroy the SHROUD that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations,8.) he will swallow up death forever, the Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces. The land has been promised where each tribe will dwell in the coming kingdom of God. Askelon is given toJudah. Ephraim is not to far from them, I believe to the north. In Christ's holy and precious words Vickie
Judah is only 1-2 tribes of Israel. Not the whole set of Israel. The other 10 tribes belongs to Joseph through Jacob as Jacob is Israel. The other 10 tribes are not Judah as they are not Jews.
Sorry sis but I do not get where you are getting this yes Judah kept the scepter but the birthright went to Joseph and his two sons Ephraim and Mannash who were of the ten most Northern tribes who crossed the Caucasus Mt into Ireland Scotland across Europe to Britain and to America. Canada , ect. Judah and Benjamin with a few Levites Were in the South and are called Judah in prophecy they are the remnant who preserved the Law ... And are the Jews today ... As Jordan says they(Judah) only make up 2 of the 12 tribes ... the other ten often called Ephraim and Mannash (only because they were the largest tribes, (they are also Britain and the U.S.) ...... When prophecy refers to The whole house of Israel all 12 tribes it is Christain and Jew the two sticks rejoined to make up true Israel ...the Bride ... having rejoined both the scepter and the birthright.....http://www.christianityboard.com/index.php?showtopic=6118Futher if you look the rider on the second white horse (Rev. 19) doesnt have a Bow but a sword (which is the the two edged sword of Gods Word) the rider on the first white horse is the fake christ he has no arrows his bow is not Judah ...Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."This one who rode on the white horse had a bow, but without arrows. He had the authority, but not the strength to back up his authority. What strength that he did have, was through deception. The rider of the white horse is Satan, in the role of the Antichrist. Satan will come first as the fake Christ, the Antichrist; and he will ride and conquer the people of the entire earth.This first seal we will see in detail in the ninth chapter. It takes place after the fifth trumpet sounds, Satan is the first morning star to come. This event will catch many Christians off-guard, for many tie themselves to the '"rapture doctrine", and will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ,This is why the rapture doctrine is so dangerous, for it ties its followers to the first Christ to come, who is the Antichrist.The rider of this white horse is not the rider of the white horse who comes with a rainbow around his head, and a rainbow around the throne he leaves. This "bow" in the Greek is a cheap fabric, or imitation, In the Greek it's called "toxon". His grandeur will be cheap, yet convincing all of those who are looking for the rider of the "first horse" to fly them out of here. The Antichrist will offer them all they desire in fulfilling their wishes.Word References:"bow" - 5115 toxon (tox'-on); from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric): KJV-- bow. used once in scripture in this verse(Rev.6:2) ...from the root word tiktō that is a verb can mean a woman in labor to be in travail, In the nineteenth chapter we will see the true Christ coming in all his glory, and then this first rider of the white horse will go to the pit. The first rider of the white horse does not come in war, for no arrows are mentioned; but in religious peace. This is important to remember, for it could bring about your downfall through deception.
Hi Christina, A question for you, since people make up the nation, The chosen people of God are called the tribes of Israel, and Judah.Take Jerusalem, It is not all Israel who dwells there, the nation of Israel occupies it. To call America and Britain thetribes of Ephraim and Manasseh is impossible, for it is like Jerusalem, only Land where perhaps some of the bloodline of both these tribes live. You can not call Jerusalem, by the name of Israel. It is land and the people are the nation that dwells there, also called occupants. So, when you speak about America and it's occupants, you are saying there are some of Ephraimites dwelling in America? America's people as a majority once seemed predominately white, white is becoming a minority here, but assuming the white race is of the tribes is erroneous, as I find no evidence that could substantiate that claim from all I have read on it that others have produced making that claim. God says he is bringing in only a remnant of the tribes into the kingdom of God. He says they have annulled the agreement for life. 2nd Death will be given to a majority of them for disobedience and to the Christian also who profane the Lord's name with their lifestyle and actions. Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:Though when it come down to everything, being of the tribes doesn't get you into the kingdom of God, nor being a Gentile will get you in, there is a conditional contract, which God said that the majority of Israel annuled their contract with death as I quotedthe verses stating that truth in the above paragraph. The entire bible speaks one thing, it doesn't contradict, but gives otherverses making it clear the truth of what God has spoken to warn Israel, the hardening and the grafting in of Gentiles and the punishmentcoming upon both jew and gentile for disobedience against God. Thanks for all you bring to speak about and the very nice way you present your case and thoughts in discussion. Thank you my sister.
Vickie, is not Jerusalem in the country Israel? And with all due respect, Is not the whole world in confusion? Going to be taken by Satan? So what I'm trying to get at is... how can you be sure if tribes are never scattered? Christ clearly says the are going to be scattered because of His death at the cross. The bible also says that ALL twelve tribes of Israel (Judah and the Ephraim, Manasseh and rest of Israel) are going to be gather at Christ's coming.So that being said Vickie, how can you be sure if Ephraim and Manasseh are not Britain and America? (USA)The word Manasseh means "causing to forget" or rather "forgotten"America is most likely to be Manasseh, as it is Joseph firstborn son as it is indeed Jacob's grandson. America is causing to forget God's ways.And according to Revelation 7:6, the nation that is causing to forget / forgotten God ways is going to be sealed 12,000. And likewise Ephraim (Joseph second son) is handpicked by Jacob because of the wisdom God giveth him. And the fact that God has a special unconditional love for Jacob. Ephraim is Jacob's second grandson, and therefore will be sealed 12,000 in Revelation 7:8... because Ephraim are a tribe of Joseph.So with all due respect, how can you with confidence, Vickie, to say that Manasseh is not America and Ephraim is not Britain? After all Christ clearly says that the tribes will be scattered until He comes back to gather them at the Last trumpet.
I knew if I read Christina's writings long enough,Iwould find something we could agree upon. Now, I'mgoing to give you my take on what this all means. Youdon't have to agree but...it could be food for thought.After the revolt, the southern House of Judah did set up a kingdom in a limited way, but it was not the kingdom of Israel. It was not really what had been promised to Judah and to David. This was a split between the Sceptre and the Birthright. The tribe of Benjamin, Joseph's younger brother, was given to Judah in order to be a lamp to Judah and Jerusalem (1 Kings 11:36). Benjamin was thus linked to both Judah and Joseph and had the unique role as a moderator between the two houses. He was thus uniquely qualified to assist in repairing the breach between the king and his lost kingdom.Benjamin is therefore of both Israel and Judah, and this is reflected in the two names given to him at birth (Genesis 35:18). His mother called him Ben-oni, "son of my sorrow." His father, Jacob-Israel, called his name Benjamin, "son of my right hand." In Isaiah we find the great prophecy of Jesus' work on the Cross as the Lamb of God. Isaiah 53:3 prophetically calls Jesus "a man of sorrows." However, after that work was accomplished, Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father (Heb. 1:3). Benjamin means "son of my right hand." This prophesies of the second work of Christ.Jesus Christ is ultimately the Repairer of the Breach between Judah and Israel, the King with His Kingdom, and the Head with His Body. What God is doing on a spiritual level, He manifests in the earthly realm in order that we might understand His plan and purpose in the earth and see the timing of His works. Benjamin's role was to repair the breach between Israel and Judah. In this prophetic story, Jesus Christ is represented as Judah, the Kingdom of God is Joseph, and Christians are Benjamin.Jesus' disciples were nearly all Benjamites from Galilee. Their ancestors had settled north of Jerusalem after returning from their Babylonian captivity (Nehemiah 11:31-35). Those of the tribe of Judah settled in their ancestral cities from Jerusalem and to the south (Nehemiah 11:25-30). By the time Jesus was born, the territory of the Benjamites was known as Galilee, and the territory of the Judahites was known simply as Judea.Jesus' disciples formed the nucleus of the New Testament Church. Most of Jesus' followers were also from Galilee. Thus was fulfilled the role of Benjamin in being a light to Jerusalem before the Lord. Indeed, when they were scattered by persecution, they became a light to the whole world in fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 49:6,And he said, It is a light thing (it is to easy) that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Like I said...food for thought.LogabeSorry sis but I do not get where you are getting this yes Judah kept the scepter but the birthright went to Joseph and his two sons Ephraim and Mannash who were of the ten most Northern tribes who crossed the Caucasus Mt into Ireland Scotland across Europe to Britain and to America. Canada , ect.Were in the South and are called Judah in prophecy they are the remnant who preserved the Law ... And are the Jews today ... As Jordan says they(Judah) only make up 2 of the 12 tribes ... the other ten often called Ephraim and Mannash (only because they were the largest tribes, (they are also Britain and the U.S.) ...... When prophecy refers to The whole house of Israel all 12 tribes it is Christain and Jew the two sticks rejoined to make up true Israel ...the Bride ... having rejoined both the scepter and the birthright.....http://www.christianityboard.com/index.php?showtopic=6118Futher if you look the rider on the second white horse (Rev. 19) doesnt have a Bow but a sword (which is the the two edged sword of Gods Word) the rider on the first white horse is the fake christ he has no arrows his bow is not Judah ...Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."This one who rode on the white horse had a bow, but without arrows. He had the authority, but not the strength to back up his authority. What strength that he did have, was through deception. The rider of the white horse is Satan, in the role of the Antichrist. Satan will come first as the fake Christ, the Antichrist; and he will ride and conquer the people of the entire earth.This first seal we will see in detail in the ninth chapter. It takes place after the fifth trumpet sounds, Satan is the first morning star to come. This event will catch many Christians off-guard, for many tie themselves to the '"rapture doctrine", and will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ,This is why the rapture doctrine is so dangerous, for it ties its followers to the first Christ to come, who is the Antichrist.The rider of this white horse is not the rider of the white horse who comes with a rainbow around his head, and a rainbow around the throne he leaves. This "bow" in the Greek is a cheap fabric, or imitation, In the Greek it's called "toxon". His grandeur will be cheap, yet convincing all of those who are looking for the rider of the "first horse" to fly them out of here. The Antichrist will offer them all they desire in fulfilling their wishes.Word References:"bow" - 5115 toxon (tox'-on); from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric): KJV-- bow. used once in scripture in this verse(Rev.6:2) ...from the root word tiktō that is a verb can mean a woman in labor to be in travail, In the nineteenth chapter we will see the true Christ coming in all his glory, and then this first rider of the white horse will go to the pit. The first rider of the white horse does not come in war, for no arrows are mentioned; but in religious peace. This is important to remember, for it could bring about your downfall through deception.Judah and Benjamin with a few Levites
Wow! That's a miracle...Jordan and I have neveragreed on anything, but, I have to agree with himon this one. Just some more food for thought andJordan and Christina in one day... God's moving.Let's talk about Joseph a little bit.Joseph's life set a prophetic pattern that his descendants were to follow in the centuries ahead. He was sold as a slave into Egypt, where eventually he rose to power. Pharaoh gave him a wife, who bore him two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. Ephraim means "fruitfulness," and Manasseh means "forgetfulness." Even as Joseph was lost and presumed dead for 21 years, so also the tribes of Israel were lost and presumed dead for thousands of years. The ten tribes of the northern House of Israel, led by Ephraim and Manasseh, were often called the House of Joseph. (Amos 5:6, Obadiah 18, and Zechariah 10:6.)The tribes of Joseph carried the birthright and the name of Israel, passed down to them by Jacob himself. When these tribes were carried into the Assyrian captivity from 745 to 721 B.C., the birthright and the name of Israel itself appeared to be lost. The Messianic line, however, was preserved in the southern nation of Judah.It was in the plan of God that they should be almost totally lost and presumed "dead," for this was the prophecy of Joseph's other son, Manasseh. Recall that Manasseh means "forgetfulness," so named because God had caused Joseph to forget his father's house (Gen. 41:51). This name prophesied of the time when the house of Israel would forget their father's house, gradually losing their awareness of their roots in Israel.The tribes of Israel have never been Jews. The term "Jew" is simply a shortened form of the New Testament Greek word, Ioudeos, Judean, or Judahite. Jews are called Jews by tracing their history back to the nation of Judea (or Judah) in the time of Christ. Judea produced the Messiah-the rightful Ruler of the whole House of Israel-because this was Judah's calling. Contrast this with the tribes of Israel, led by Joseph, who was the birthright holder called to bring forth the Kingdom of God. The Jews have never been considered an immense multitude of people who could fulfill the prophecy in the name of Ephraim, nor have the Jews ever forgotten who they were to fulfill the prophecy in the name of Manasseh. The reason is simple; they are not descended from Joseph or the ten-tribed House of Israel and thus cannot fulfill the prophecies associated with Joseph.When Jesus comes back...He's coming back with His vesturedipped in blood...just like Joseph's coat was dipped inblood and sent into the wilderness and presumed dead.Just more food for thought...you don't have to believe it.LogabeVickie, is not Jerusalem in the country Israel? And with all due respect, Is not the whole world in confusion? Going to be taken by Satan? So what I'm trying to get at is... how can you be sure if tribes are never scattered? Christ clearly says the are going to be scattered because of His death at the cross. The bible also says that ALL twelve tribes of Israel (Judah and the Ephraim, Manasseh and rest of Israel) are going to be gather at Christ's coming.So that being said Vickie, how can you be sure if Ephraim and Manasseh are not Britain and America? (USA)America is most likely to be Manasseh, as it is Joseph firstborn son as it is indeed Jacob's grandson. America is causing to forget God's ways.And according to Revelation 7:6, the nation that is causing to forget / forgotten God ways is going to be sealed 12,000. And likewise Ephraim (Joseph second son) is handpicked by Jacob because of the wisdom God giveth him. And the fact that God has a special unconditional love for Jacob. Ephraim is Jacob's second grandson, and therefore will be sealed 12,000 in Revelation 7:8... because Ephraim are a tribe of Joseph.So with all due respect, how can you with confidence, Vickie, to say that Manasseh is not America and Ephraim is not Britain? After all Christ clearly says that the tribes will be scattered until He comes back to gather them at the Last trumpet.The word Manasseh means "causing to forget" or rather "forgotten"
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