Gen 1 compared to Gen 2

Enoch111 said:

This has nothing to do with the subject under discussion. But since you ask, it is all about the finished work of Christ. The field is the world and the treasure is the saints of God. The Church is the purchased possession of Christ, and Christ gave His life and shed His blood for it.

And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.(Malachi 3:17)

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VictoryinJesus said:

it wasn’t?

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ah, i think i see whats going on now, contemplate that certain language is maybe being used in order to appeal to those under the law, who are not yet ready for Grace; ergo if one (mentally) needs a sacrifice to make themselves acceptable to Yah, Yah will provide the skin, sure. Under the law almost every offense requires blood see

But wadr you cannot talk in both languages imo; life, more abundantly will never be Death, More Abundantly, and while the two systems use the same lexicon, completely different concepts are being expressed, as in "stay here for the present."

so, with no offense meant to whomever, it becomes easy to tell when you are speaking to an Esau or a Jacob, as soon as blood or sacrifice or Death, More Abundantly is invoked, yeh? Give me some of that red stew, for i am starving unto death! And i guess you cant change someone else's mind!

Oh daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready.

VictoryinJesus said:

Galatians 4:19-23 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, [20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise

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i mean bada-bing. Be under the law until Christ is formed in you, bam, until you understand why Tell me, you that desire to be under the law is answered by Abraham had two sons

we broadly perceive that to be "Christians and Muslims" right, but trust me that is completely whacked, Yah does not respect our divisions even a little bit imo

bbyrd009 said:

and that relates to the kingdom being like the treasure in the field how, iyo?

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busy day so not much time to respond. As @Enoch111 pointed out it is way off topic. You asked about treasure. liken it to Adam and Eve hiding and listening to the voice that told them to hide, instead of trusting Gods voice (much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live). in coming forth that their deeds be made known (Which God already knew)and the devils works (done in secret) be destroyed. not cover it up as you say often “here have a skin” if anything: here have praise unto God: the Son of God made manifest that the works of the devil be destroyed, praise unto God who brings hidden things out into the light that the works of death be destroyed. Isaiah 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

(1 Corinthians 14:25) (1 Corinthians 4:5) (Luke 2:34-35)

VictoryinJesus said:

. As @Enoch111 pointed out it is way off topic

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assuring us that it is likely quite pertinent, as Scripture will even tell us, yeh?
declaring themselves wise, they became fools
with apologies to...pseudo-Enoch, i totally understand ok, i surely feel no diff about myself even, but there it is

VictoryinJesus said:

You asked about treasure.

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i did? Wadr i meant to ask about "the kingdom of heaven is like..."

iow it is tempting to try to examine the "treasure" in the parable, or the field, or etc, but the parable is about the kingdom, yes? "The kingdom is like ________."
So iow everything that comes after that should imo be considered in that frame?

VictoryinJesus said:

liken it to Adam and Eve hiding and listening to the voice that told them to hide, instead of trusting Gods voice (much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live). in coming forth that their deeds be made k

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not disagreeing, but imo diff subject entirely, now we are dissecting this "treasure" when i would say at least initially the treasure should just stay treasure, and the field should just be a field, and "the kingdom of heaven is like" should be the subject, rather than the elements in it? Not that theres anything wrong with examining the elements, dont get me wrong...but i am not able to liken the treasure in the parable to A&E hiding...although maybe, ill have to marinate on that one a bit, brb later then might be a great analogy! dunno. It might never speak to me, yet still be relevant in someone else's opinion, too!

bbyrd009 said:

Wadr i meant to ask about "the kingdom of heaven is like..."

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Have a habit of going off topic but this one seems to have stalled. Been thinking about your question “the kingdom is like...” I don’t have an answer expect maybe Isaiah 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Still can’t get past The Who abides alone in the Light. So I have a random question, yet maybe not random. In the above, in context, there is a contrast between “don’t come near me...stand there by yourself...for I am holier than you “ and “they remain in graves, lodged in monuments”. Why is the lodged in monuments important...I don’t know. Except it makes me consider those that lodged in the high branches and under the shadow and this: Isaiah 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
was reading along in the do I have to go to church thread and you said most there (doing church)will never see the kingdom (or something like that). So again, it returns to He who abides alone in the light. And maybe it is the enemy who encourages away from the light since it is the light which destroys the works of the body of sin? Same as the temptation in the garden and then they hid (in the grave?) when He called them. Being told no one can remain in the light without being totally destroyed so what is the point in coming out into the light for their deeds to be made known? And then here “have a skin”. While He said to come boldly for He desires mercy over sacrifice. why will many not see the kingdom while being told it will also kill them...

VictoryinJesus said:

Been thinking about your question “the kingdom is like...” I don’t have an answer

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Ah well isn’t it’s like someone who finds a treasure in a field... the answer?

VictoryinJesus said:

why will many not see the kingdom while being told it will also kill them...

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I’ll have to read the rest when I have more time, this eve ok

VictoryinJesus said:

maybe Isaiah 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

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and this you connect with the kingdom is like in some way?

VictoryinJesus said:

Still can’t get past The Who abides alone in the Light. So I have a random question, yet maybe not random. In the above, in context, there is a contrast between “don’t come near me...stand there by yourself...for I am holier than you" and “they remain in graves, lodged in monuments”. Why is the lodged in monuments important...I don’t know

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ok, you start with a ref to Yah here, Who alone abides in unapproachable light right? That one? That you for some reason cant get past, then you ref "the above" and im not sure if you mean that or the Isaiah vv, which ill assume the latter but then why invoke the Yah v? But anyway, working down, a contrast, you say? Not a comparison? Bc they are the same ppl? So what contrast, "in context?" Ha at this point for that matter, what context?

So, to attempt some kind of reply, why cant you get past The Who? again?
and what is the context for the contrast in "dont come near me,"a characterization of one who has basically started believing their own bs or whatever, and "they remain in graves, lodged in monuments?" which btw is...well, not a terrible x i guess, but read some others for more, but obv or at least very arguably the same person, or same type, so what contrast?

and bro go get a trace metals test, and if you arent deficient in every single one ill pay for it ok. It is often diagnosed as "add" or some whatever madeup variant now, adhd whatever, but that is all crap, its always, always, always either chronic deficiencies or chronic toxins, and all the mental bouncing around is almost always trace metal deficiency. Or certain kinds of heavy metal poisoning too. Have your water tested imo, its usually free. Might be both. You live near any coal extraction btw?

bbyrd009 said:

and this you connect with the kingdom is like in some way?

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yeah. Forget what I said. Was thinking of Luke 13:19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

Don’t know why. The monuments stood out. As He told them Luke 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

probably should not have responded back.

VictoryinJesus said:

was reading along in the do I have to go to church thread and you said most there (doing church)will never see the kingdom (or something like that).

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well, according to few there are who find it and the account of the Israelites enterig the Promised Land anyway, yeh?

VictoryinJesus said:

Same as the temptation in the garden and then they hid (in the grave?)

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i would say no, since they were still responding pertinently--if in a biased manner, but that is to be expected right--they were not in Sheol yet, like...oh, many here, basically those whose beliefs are now Absolute Truths, Institutions, yeh? Or what was the term...monuments. Which btw there is an interesting play on words there in the forms of grave and monuments ("headstones," but something about the head itself being invoked, i forget) but anyway, i could name several and give Acriptural support, but no one here wants that much...so like, "sacred cows" even, for me worshipping our High Priest comes to mind, or would be an indicator of that...or at east arguing about our relationship as Priests in that context sure would?

Anyway, they hid among the trees right, so not sheol, diff concept i think...but subtly different, i might be totally wrong, only someone might be holding a doctrine and still open minded, or not, and imo that would be the diff in "hiding among trees" and "residing in graves," plus some others imo. Someone hiding among trees, Abraham comes to mind, have a chance still, yeh?

VictoryinJesus said:

Being told no one can remain in the light without being totally destroyed so what is the point in coming out into the light for their deeds to be made known?

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ok just a perspective, but imo we are talking "light" used as a metaphor in two diff but similar ways, hence maybe the unapproachable in the first one. So iow i wouldnt try to conflate those with each other so exactly, although again thats imo

VictoryinJesus said:

so what is the point in coming out into the light for their deeds to be made known?

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ah well you seem to put it as a choice there when Scripture offers no choice? Nothing is hidden which will not come to light right? But again wadr i am struck by the...incongruency, sorry, the apparent complete and total subject change, apropos of nothing (to my mind)? Which dont get me wrong might be me ok

VictoryinJesus said:

And then here “have a skin”. While He said to come boldly for He desires mercy over sacrifice.

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so, three more subject changes, vij? lol

VictoryinJesus said:

why will many not see the kingdom while being told it will also kill them...

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while being told it will also kill them? huh? "The light" is not "the kingdom," im pretty sure, at least not in those (differing, imo) contexts. And unapproachable does not mean "kill them" necessarily, although we do asssume that from other vv, the Moses thing etc. So, imo sometimes interesting and even quite esoteric connections can be made, but i wouldnt try to manufacture them ok, they should imo just kinda appear all by themselves, become apparent? Just my opinion though

bbyrd009 said:

i would say no, since they were still responding pertinently--if in a biased manner, but that is to be expected right--they were not in Sheol yet, like...oh, many here, basically those whose beliefs are now Absolute Truths, Institutions, yeh? Or what was the term...monuments. Which btw there is an interesting play on words there in the forms of grave and monuments ("headstones," but something about the head itself being invoked, i forget) but anyway, i could name several and give Acriptural support, but no one here wants that much...so like, "sacred cows" even, for me worshipping our High Priest comes to mind, or would be an indicator of that...or at east arguing about our relationship as Priests in that context sure would?

Anyway, they hid among the trees right, so not sheol, diff concept i think...but subtly different, i might be totally wrong, only someone might be holding a doctrine and still open minded, or not, and imo that would be the diff in "hiding among trees" and "residing in graves," plus some others imo. Someone hiding among trees, Abraham comes to mind, have a chance still, yeh?

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Interesting monuments...“Or what was the term...monuments. Which btw there is an interesting play on words there in the forms of grave and monuments ("headstones,"
Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 4 - Contemporary English Version

Monument in the Bible (15 instances)

Was only considering the question “the kingdom is like...” wouldn’t ask me though. I’m weird, thinking the one with the talents that buried his or laid it up in the a napkin, is that of low estate as in except a man be born again he can not see the kingdom of God.

bbyrd009 said:

so, three more subject changes, vij? lol

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getting off here. I am sorry. Don’t mean to be random. Just trying to figure it out like everyone else. Mostly the light and how it should apply to life.

VictoryinJesus said:

Interesting monuments...“Or what was the term...monuments. Which btw there is an interesting play on words there in the forms of grave and monuments ("headstones,"
Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 4 - Contemporary English Version

Monument in the Bible (15 instances)

Was only considering the question “the kingdom is like...” wouldn’t ask me though. I’m weird, thinking the one with the talents that buried his or laid it up in the a napkin, is that of low estate as in except a man be born again he can not see the kingdom of God.

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Isaiah 65:4 Lexicon: Who sit among graves and spend the night in secret places; Who eat swine's flesh, And the broth of unclean meat is in their pots.

"monuments" seems to disappear there, not seeing where that comes from...no yad

VictoryinJesus said:

getting off here. I am sorry. Don’t mean to be random. Just trying to figure it out like everyone else. Mostly the light and how it should apply to life.

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oh for that i think you have to walk out your front door, pretty much
you aready know the drill
go to another town...etc
take that part literally lol
there just is no...yah
imo

bbyrd009 said:

Isaiah 65:4 Lexicon: Who sit among graves and spend the night in secret places; Who eat swine's flesh, And the broth of unclean meat is in their pots.

"monuments" seems to disappear there, not seeing where that comes from...no yad

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Isaiah 65:4 sitting among the graves, spending nights in secret places, eating the meat of pigs and polluted broth from their bowls.

how many translations are there!
spend their nights keeping secret vigil;
worshiping the dead
spend the night in secret places;
spend the night in the tombs;
lodge in the monuments,
hiding in burial caves
keep watch all night long.
lodge in the vaults;
lodge in the deserts
sleep in the temple of idols:
lodge in reserved places, ...

pretty amazing though huh?
the variance?

VictoryinJesus said:

how many translations are there!

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well, just one, kinda, when you start reading from a Lex or Interlinear. Removes the middleman, more or less, the scribe. you get to assemble the definition of a term yourself
guess you gotta look out for figures of speech sometimes

bbyrd009 said:

pretty amazing though huh?
the variance?

well, just one, kinda, when you start reading from a Lex or Interlinear. Removes the middleman, more or less, the scribe. you get to assemble the definition of a term yourself
guess you gotta look out for figures of speech sometimes

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no kidding.

VictoryinJesus said:

no kidding.

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ha well i think most of the euphemisms are known, and they often result in mangled english xlations? Those vv that make no sense in english?