My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

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amadeus

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I'm not concerned with what men think, I'm concerned with what the Scriptures say.
You should be concerned with what God says... and perhaps you will say it always the same. For me it is most certainly not although in many cases what He says now is also written. How do you know which verse applies to your present situation if you do not hear from Him daily? Without the Holy Spirit we cannot know where our next step should be.
 

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You should be concerned with what God says... and perhaps you will say it always the same. For me it is most certainly not although in many cases what He says now is also written. How do you know which verse applies to your present situation if you do not hear from Him daily? Without the Holy Spirit we cannot know where our next step should be.
Being concerned with what the Scriptures say IS being concerned with what God says. That is His word to us.
 
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That is how God speaks to us, through His word. That is why we teach and proclaim Sola Scriptura. God speaks to us solely through His word.
Well if that is what you believe then that is the way you should go. I don't believe that and cannot go that way. I am glad that God understands each of us better than we understand ourselves. He alone is qualified to do any final judging for or against anyone of us.
 
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Oh I know it. Scarifying thought...I just can't believe everyone of them who have not believed gets tipped into some lake of fire...unless it is The Fire..(our God IS a consuming fire)....and the dross gets burned away. Otherwise it leaves a nasty image of a god who has just 'played with' his creation.

This is forever at the back of my mind...and needs to be reconciled ....
Yes, the thought of many being eternally tormented is scary to us. But this shows how much God hates sin. Think about this, the angels who fell...God offered them no remedy for their direct rebellion. Some are reserved in chains and darkness reserved until the day of judgment[Jude 1:6] the rest are deceiving the world. Yet, God showed them no mercy, which points us to Exodus 33:19 & Romans 9:15-16.

God is a merciful God, yes. Yet, He doesn’t extend mercy to each and every person who has ever lived. Grace is involved in this mercy as well. If God has to extend grace to all w/o exception then it’s no longer grace but an obligation.

Look at Israel for instance. Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.[Romans 3:1-2] And also I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.[Romans 9:1-5] No other nation was given these things by God. No other nation had a high priest to intercede on their behalf before Him. No other nation did God give them a sacrificial system to atone for their sins. God had justly left them in their already condemned state. Before you say that these nations did something first and then God cut them off, ”The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.[Deuteronomy 7:7-8] There was nothing special in Israel that was lacking in other nations, therefore drawing God to them. They were just as wicked as other nations when God chose themselves to be His ppl to carry the word to the world. That is why grace is unmerited favor. That is why we teach election is unconditional. There were no conditions the election had to, or could meet. Only the Christ met them for us, His elect children.
 

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Well if that is what you believe then that is the way you should go. I don't believe that and cannot go that way. I am glad that God understands each of us better than we understand ourselves. He alone is qualified to do any final judging for or against anyone of us.

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.[Hebrews 1:1-2]
The canon of scripture is closed my friend. They are sufficient for us. Nothing else is needed or necessary.
 

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God is in control and is all-controlling, you just can not accept this at this time. If there is one rebel molecule that moves outside His will, then He can not be trusted. Paraphrasing Dr. R.C. Sproul

We don't paint God as evil, your side does. Your side avers the Christ atoned for everybody w/o exceptions sins. They are paid for, yet, in your schema, many who He atoned for will be cast headlong into the lake of fire, which is the second death. For Him to punish the sinners whose sins have been paid for would make Him evil. Yet, you can not accept this truth at this time. :(
@Renniks did you address this post of mine? :)
 

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I think you need to look up the definition of flaming....
Exactly, nothing I said was abusive, yet she has no problem following a person who blasphemed Christ calling His church a failure, then invents a false created Christ and brother of Satan, furthering his blasphemy, namely Joseph Smith, their false prophet.

In another thread on here recently @Jane_Doe22 began name calling due to the fact persons gave factual evidences her cult is, well, a cult. She stated this is walking in darkness, yet scripture mandates calling out false gospels as a necessity. She believes doing this is not following Christ, but that's contrary to Scripture.

Lets keep in mind she dodges every documented fact showing her religion to be false, and that she, while "denouncing denouncing" posted a failed attack on Reformed believers which offered nothing but straw man lies. She says doing this is walking in darkness, but she did this herself.

Also, lets not forget that false teachers throw wool over their wolf coat: they come to appear nice, friendly, kind, and project upon others. These are actually the marks of a false teacher, Matthew 7:15.

We are praying for her here, as her understanding is darkened, Ephesians 4:18 and she is being held captive, 2 Timothy 2:26 that she may be set free and Christ may find her and bring her to repentance, 2 Peter 3:9.
 
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Well if that is what you believe then that is the way you should go. I don't believe that and cannot go that way. I am glad that God understands each of us better than we understand ourselves. He alone is qualified to do any final judging for or against anyone of us.
You are denying the sufficiency of scripture my friend. You are saying that they, alone, are all we need. :(
 

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God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.[Hebrews 1:1-2]
The canon of scripture is closed my friend. They are sufficient for us. Nothing else is needed or necessary.
Sufficient, perhaps as far as writing is concerned for God is certainly able to have put all that we need from Him while walking in this flesh into a single volume, the Bible. Whether or not He did He, however is quite another question, isn't it?. If He did, 'How can a man understand it correctly for sure'? When we look around us on this forum, we see many different people with many different understandings of what is written in that same volume, that same Bible. I believe that I understand why but suspect that you do not. Maybe it is not necessary for you but anyway it is not my judgment, is it?

So I continue on toward the Light which lights each step before me continuing to ask Him to help me endure until the end with Him.
 

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Sufficient, perhaps as far as writing is concerned for God is certainly able to have put all that we need from Him while walking in this flesh into a single volume, the Bible. Whether or not He did He, however is quite another question, isn't it?. If He did, 'How can a man understand it correctly for sure'? When we look around us on this forum, we see many different people with many different understandings of what is written in that same volume, that same Bible. I believe that I understand why but suspect that you do not. Maybe it is not necessary for you but anyway it is not my judgment, is it?

So I continue on toward the Light which lights each step before me continuing to ask Him to help me endure until the end with Him.
But we don’t need anything other the these scriptures God has given us to know Him more intimately. They are sufficient for all we need.
 
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What direct question did I not answer?
At the moment there is only one of mine in post #541. Actually not answering questions may not be a bad thing if you are certain of your belief and you feel no unction from God to respond. However, it was an impression, I had about you. Perhaps I was mixing you up with someone else. I've certainly done that before. If I erred, I do apologize!
 

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But we don’t need anything other the these scriptures God has given us to know Him more intimately. They are sufficient for all we need.
And the Holy Spirit? Is there no need for the Holy Spirit to know Him more intimately? What is to your understanding the purpose of the Holy Spirit for men?
 
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You are denying the sufficiency of scripture my friend. You are saying that they, alone, are not all we need. :(
Yes, I am denying that scripture alone is sufficient to our needs according to God. I believe that the Holy Spirit is necessary to bring the scriptures to Life within us. If they never come to Life, they never are the Word of God which is Alive. Without Life in us in the end we have nothing at all for ultimately death is nothing.
 
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