The sin that dwells in us....

marks said:

And yet the righteousness is imputed because of the faith. God could see in Abraham that he truly did believe. Saying that God imputes righteousness because He can see in advance the works Abraham will do is to subtly shift the imputation from being based on faith to being based on those works.

But if we let the Word stand as it says, it was that Abraham believed what God told him, and that believing was accounted to him as righteousness. Amd because Abraham believed God, he was even willing to kill his own son knowing God would then have to raise him from the dead. It's the believing that this behind those works and not the works themselves.

Much love!

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Men can be very deceived in that they can say one thing and do another but yet still keep saying the thing. You have to work that in because, of the 2 sons, which was the father pleased with - the one who said yes but didn't do as he said or the one who said no but then later did?

stunnedbygrace said:

Men can be very deceived in that they can say one thing and do another but yet still keep saying the thing.

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This is very true, and one of the unfortunate realities of the internet, we can read each other's words, but we can't know each other's true lives.

And even when we know each other better, we still can't see the heart, whether the one who stands there smiling is screaming inside.

But God does know the heart. He knows who actually trusts Him.

Much love!

Episkopos said:

You are issuing pure hyperbole...and itself this is way off base. So just another false statement and accusation...that goes with your brain conditioning. Look at the text...

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.


They went in together as per the Jewish wedding tradition. The guests don't do that. This is the bride. Remember that the bride was already betrothed for a year or so. So she was ready and waiting.


11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.


Why say Lord? The bride says lord to her husband. The Hebrew word for husband means "master" (בעל)...or "Baal."Women who are not married to a man don't call him "lord."

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The guests are gleaned from the highways and byways....they are not known specifically by face or name. BUT Jesus knows each of His own by both.

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That salvation is from God is no hyperbole. I showed you in the Scriptures.

Again see (Ps. 45:1-17). Especially (45:14). The virgins are not the bride.

Why don't you give the Bible reference you are using when you make your statements?

Stranger

CharismaticLady said:

I don't know how to say it any other way. I trust God, what more assurance do you need. Besides, the lake of fire burns forever. Zap!



We were all "sinners." But no longer. Now He calls me a "child of God." Verse 9 took care of that. Are you wondering why verse 10 is after verse 9? Semitic writing style. John was Hebrew.

I doubt it. That is more a trespass if a sin at all. Taking the Lord's name in vain, is more than what we've watered it down to be. Still I've made up my own swear words that have become habit that do not offend. But in a case that severe, I may be calling out to God too. But that certainly wouldn't be in 'vain.'



I disagree. They are still direct descendants of Abraham. They are the natural branches. I am wild. The ones who were cut off can easily be grafted back into their own olive tree.



Yes.

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You ignore the question. satan and Adam were without sin and in paradise or heaven. Yet they sinned. You say you trust God. So do I. That doesn't answer the question. The bottom line is with your theology, you can have no assurance that the angels or man will not fall again.

No, He says you sin now. (1 John 2:1-3) Unless you don't believe Jesus Christ work as our Advocate has any meaning.

Then your theology doesn't work. You said we have to be obedient up to the end. We either do or don't. Which is it?

The natural branches are Israel. The Gentiles are the wild branches. You are not grafted into the branches of Israel. You are grafted into the root of the tree. (Rom. 11:18) The root would be the Abrahamic Covenant.

Then if your obedience to God is what secures you, then you can fall just like Adam and Eve and satan and his angels did.

Stranger

stunnedbygrace said:

I'm not understanding exactly what you object to about the man's post. You think that because he thinks half the virgins are the bride that he thinks salvation is not from God...? Confused.

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He said salvation was a human invention meant to fill pews. That is a lie. See his post #(69)

Stranger

Stranger said:

No, He says you sin now. (1 John 2:1-3) Unless you don't believe Jesus Christ work as our Advocate has any meaning.

Then your theology doesn't work. You said we have to be obedient up to the end. We either do or don't. Which is it?

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1 John 2:1-3 does mention repentance, so do you really think Jesus is our Advocate for unrepented murder?

The answer is no. There are sins that are unknown and unintentional called trespasses, and when we walk in the Spirit, a trespass is the only type of sin a Christian can make, though they may never know about it. We are to always forgive others who trespass against us. We can't hold grudges, but be in self-control and loving. Then our own trespasses will be taken care of by our Advocate, even without repentance.

As for answering the same question over and over until you 'get it.' God will command the righteous to stay righteous, and the holy to stay holy. He will make it impossible to sin. Take it or leave it.