The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Truther said:
.......And knew her not till ....
Joseph was respectful of God and waited until after Jesus was born.
Kinda tough as they slept together nightly.
A gentleman indeed.

Ummmmm, already obliterated that impotent position.

Gee - I hope your kids paid closer attention to detail than YOU do . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Truther said:
I see, the RCC priest is Jesus.
He turns the wine into Christ's blood and the wafer into Christ's body.
Does all the fullness of the Godhead dwell in the RCC priest, bodily, also?

You didn't answer my question, Einstein.

Where did Jesus get the water to turn it into wine?
Is it important where He got it?

Yeah - I didn't think so . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
Let's recap;

Enow said: ↑
Then explain why He never held communion when the Jews had asked for it at the first and finally towards the end for the remaining disciples? How hard is that? But He wasn't talking about communion, so there.

You said "The time hadn't come yet.

As I stated before - I could just as easily ask YOU to explain why He didn't drop dead and atone for the sins of the world at some earlier point.
SAME answer: Because the time had NOT yet come."

You insinuated that His crucifixion had to happen first when you postulated your hypothetical in an attempt to refute my point.

But you didn't refute my point when Jesus held communion after the Passover supper and thus it was before His crucifixion.

Wrong - I didn't "insinuate" anything.
I merely threw a hypothetical back in your face.

You're inventing things that aren't there - like your doctrines . . .

Enow said:
I never said Catholics are condemned to hell, but God will judge His people for treading underfoot the blood of the Covenant by treating it the same as the blood of goats and bulls under the Old Covenant system where it bears repeating.

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins....9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us:.........

You have the Holy Ghost in you that testifies by one offering you have been perfected by Jesus Christ forever as sanctified as in saved.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The knowledge of the truth is that there remains no more sacrifice for sins but if you sin willingly in spite of that knowledge by thinking you need to receive that one time sacrifice for sins again as if needed to be bear repeating....

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So I would urge you to pray about this because if you do not repent of this notion that the one time sacrifice for sin bears repeating to receive again in the Mass.... God will chasten you for it.

Ummmm, if His people were worshiping an idol - you can guarantee that they are condemned to Hell.
Is that what YOU are saying about the entire Church for 1500 years?

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
Your references to other scripture for how it uses "till" or "until" is hardly addressing the scripture that says Joseph knew not his wife "till" she gave birth to Jesus.

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

There is no point for Joseph to marry Mary if she was to remain a virgin when marriage means God is joining the two to become one flesh to build a family. And they did have a family after Jesus because He had brothers and sisters too.

Matthew 13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? 57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. 58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

First of all - the word "till" is not used. It is "UNTIL" (heos).
"Till" is Old English - and therein lies your confusion.

Secondly - I already addressed your weak points about the "brethren" of the Lord - who are shown to be the children of ANOTHER woman neqar the foot of the cross. Observe . . .

What do the Scriptures have to say about the women standing at the cross and their children?

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

THREE Marys:
1) Mary, Mother of Jesus
2) Mary Magdalene
3) Mary (Mary's sister/adelphe), mother of James and Joseph (Joses)

When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are SQUASHED by the Bible.

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
She was being a wife which is the whole point of marriage is to build a family.

Usually, yes.
But not in Mary's case.

HER job was to give birth to and raise the Savior of the world.

Enow · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Ummmmm, already obliterated that impotent position.

Gee - I hope your kids paid closer attention to detail than YOU do . . .

I could not understand why you think belittling people is a way to win an argument until I read your signature.

"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." - G.K. Chesterton
Exposing anti-Catholic lies online for 17 years . . .

I do not believe you can derive from that saying as justification for belittling. Not sure if that is the basis for your actions as if not tolerating those in error mean biting and devouring your opponents, but you do seem to come off that way in your posting, brother.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Is it on God to cause the increase or not? Is it not God Who reveals the truth to others or not? Something to consider on how you & I serve Him

Enow · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Usually, yes.
But not in Mary's case.

HER job was to give birth to and raise the Savior of the world.

There is nothing that says she was limited from having any more children after Jesus and yet we have scripture saying Joseph knew her after Jesus was born. And there are scripture testifying that hecklers in the area knew Jesus grew up with brothers and sisters.

There is no reason for Mary to remain a virgin after Jesus was born when she was married to Joseph. Just as there is no reason for Joseph to marry Mary if he was not to have any children by her in building a family. Remember that Joseph was thinking about putting her away privately? That's because Joseph wants to raise a godly family when he gets married.

The only reason the RCC would promote that, may very well have to do with promoting the origin of Mary that she was born of a virgin too just so Jesus can be sinless. The logic in that fails because then Mary's mother would have to be born of a virgin and so forth and so on. So no.

All have sinned; all have come short of the glory of God; Mary needed the Savior too because she sang that truth in her Magnificat.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Enow · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Wrong - I didn't "insinuate" anything.
I merely threw a hypothetical back in your face.

You're inventing things that aren't there - like your doctrines . . .

Ummmm, if His people were worshiping an idol - you can guarantee that they are condemned to Hell.
Is that what YOU are saying about the entire Church for 1500 years?

No. Catholics are not going to hell for being idol worshipers, but they are at risk of being disqualified from being received by the Bridegroom unless they repent with His help to discern the need to repent in seeing the truth in His words and His help to depart from a long held errant tradition..

2 Timothy 2:18 has Paul citing an example of how a believer can err and have his faith overthrown, but he goes on saying "Nevertheless" in regards to that former believer for why he is still called to depart from iniquity to be that vessel unto honor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ).

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So what I see here is that religious works that deny Him, saints can wind up being denied by Him, but even if they believe not, He still abides. This is why we are to seek the good of fellow believers so that they too may obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be that vessel unto honor in His House.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

justbyfaith · Feb 10, 2020

RogerDC said:
Wrong again. Paul said that he himself could fall and not get to Heaven - "... lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1Cor 9:27).

He is there talking about being disqualified from ministry.

RogerDC said:
Furthermore, how did these Christians get the power to prophesy, cast out demons and perform miracles if Jesus never knew them?

Why don't you ask that question of the Lord when He is judging you?

RogerDC said:
The Scripture say there is one mediator between God and man - “the MAN, Christ Jesus”. Which Scripture says there can be no mediator between mankind and the MAN, Christ Jesus.

Jesus is God...and the Man who mediates between Himself and man. The very same scripture says that He is the only mediator between God and man...and He Himself is God...so there is no other mediator between God and man.

RogerDC said:
Oh, you mean like the Protestant churches that condone homosexuality, have homosexual ministers and marry homosexuals? LOL!!! Not the mention the fact that all Protestant churches are based on a solid tradition of heresy.

As I said, it is not every Protestant denomination that is Spirit-filled.

RogerDC said:
There are many millions of devout, faithful and uncorrupted Catholics who reflect the holiness of the one, true Church. They are the “living water” of Catholicism.

Yes, those Catholics who reject the Catholic doctrine of mary as co-redeemer; and who trust in Jesus' blood and righteousness alone for their salvation...these may indeed be Spirit-filled. The same will leave the catholic Church when that voice comes from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my children", lest they also partake of the sins of the Catholic Church.

BreadOfLife said:
WRONG.
The angel NEVER told Mary that she would have a child before have relations with Joseph.
He told her she would have a child - PERIOD. It was then that she questioned him, "How can this be since I do not know man."

READ your Bible and stop lying already

It is obvious from scripture that Mary had other children after Jesus was born (Mark 6:3-4). It is only your religious predisposition that leads you to believe otherwise.

BreadOfLife said:
Jesus was telling Philip that He is GOD - not that He is the Father.
ONE God - THREE distinct Persons.

The 2000 year-old Christian Church has NEVER espoused your perversion of the Trinity.
What YOU conclude is heresy.

When Philip said to Jesus, Shew us the Father,

Jesus said, Have I been with you long and you have not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

BreadOfLife said:
and came to the conclusion that Protestants were WRONG about the Eucharist.

Yet Francis Chan is still a Protestant. So that would make not all Protestants wrong on the issue, if indeed Catholics are right.

BreadOfLife said:
to your fellow Scripturally-bankrupt friend

I said "ouch" before because I consider that you are answering me according to my folly, in my mentioning of the fact that Catholics tend to be biblically illiterate; in that you have returned this back on us Protestants by calling us spiritually bankrupt.

It seems to me that in bolding your points you are emphasizing the faults of others; and this in my opinion is bad fruit. Any time you point the finger at someone else you generally have three fingers pointing back at you. And a critical spirit is normally the fruit of those who do not even know Christ.

justbyfaith · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Ummmmm, already obliterated that impotent position.

No you didn't.

BreadOfLife said:
Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

THREE Marys:
1) Mary, Mother of Jesus
2) Mary Magdalene
3) Mary (Mary's sister/adelphe), mother of James and Joseph (Joses)

his mother's sister and Mary the wife of Clophas are two different people; otherwise you have two sisters having the same name.

BreadOfLife said:
Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are SQUASHED by the Bible.

Not really.

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
I could not understand why you think belittling people is a way to win an argument until I read your signature.

I do not believe you can derive from that saying as justification for belittling. Not sure if that is the basis for your actions as if not tolerating those in error mean biting and devouring your opponents, but you do seem to come off that way in your posting, brother.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Is it on God to cause the increase or not? Is it not God Who reveals the truth to others or not? Something to consider on how you & I serve Him

Ummmmm, why don't you make the SAME critique about @Truther's asinine posts?
As long as it's anti-Catholic - it's "okay"?

Can YOU say, "Hypocrisy"?

justbyfaith · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Can YOU say, "Hypocrisy"?

More judgment that amounts to pointing the finger (and there are three fingers pointing back at you also).

When Jesus says "Hypocrite" as a judgment He is correct for He is the Son of God; and there is no backlash on Him because He is the Son of God.

You are not; and therefore such passages as Matthew 7:1-6 and Luke 6:41-42 apply to you.

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
There is nothing that says she was limited from having any more children after Jesus and yet we have scripture saying Joseph knew her after Jesus was born. And there are scripture testifying that hecklers in the area knew Jesus grew up with brothers and sisters.

There is no reason for Mary to remain a virgin after Jesus was born when she was married to Joseph. Just as there is no reason for Joseph to marry Mary if he was not to have any children by her in building a family. Remember that Joseph was thinking about putting her away privately? That's because Joseph wants to raise a godly family when he gets married.

The only reason the RCC would promote that, may very well have to do with promoting the origin of Mary that she was born of a virgin too just so Jesus can be sinless. The logic in that fails because then Mary's mother would have to be born of a virgin and so forth and so on. So no.

All have sinned; all have come short of the glory of God; Mary needed the Savior too because she sang that truth in her Magnificat.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

WRONG on ALL counts because you don't do your homework.

First if all - WHO said that everything must be explicitly spelled out in Scripture?? You believe that the American Revolution happened - yet not only is it not in Scripture - there are no photos.
Yet, the SAME type of historical documentation exists about other things like Mary's private life - yet you automatically reject it because it doesn't fit YOUR beliefs. Again - this is hypocrisy.

Anyway - I've already debunked the idea that Jesus had uterine siblings because the Bible NEVER states that MARY had other children.
Here is another reason . . .

The word for "brother" - "Adephos(oi)" - can be used for a number of things:
Brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, fellow believer, fellow countryman, etc.
These are the statistics of the use of Adelphois(oi) in all of its variations in the New Testament:

Of the 244 instances are cases where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT –
- 41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
- 47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
- 256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does not refer to a family sibling.

Now - deal with that . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
No. Catholics are not going to hell for being idol worshipers, but they are at risk of being disqualified from being received by the Bridegroom unless they repent with His help to discern the need to repent in seeing the truth in His words and His help to depart from a long held errant tradition..

2 Timothy 2:18 has Paul citing an example of how a believer can err and have his faith overthrown, but he goes on saying "Nevertheless" in regards to that former believer for why he is still called to depart from iniquity to be that vessel unto honor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ).

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So what I see here is that religious works that deny Him, saints can wind up being denied by Him, but even if they believe not, He still abides. This is why we are to seek the good of fellow believers so that they too may obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be that vessel unto honor in His House.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

WRONG.
Worshiping ANOTHER god will get you eternal damnation. because it is an abomination before God.

Either 1500 years of ALL Christians went to Hell for worshiping the Eucharist - or they didn't.
If YOU can't commit to that - it's because you're NOT sure of your position on the Eucharist . . .

Enow · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
First of all - the word "till" is not used. It is "UNTIL" (heos).
"Till" is Old English - and therein lies your confusion.

Secondly - I already addressed your weak points about the "brethren" of the Lord - who are shown to be the children of ANOTHER woman neqar the foot of the cross. Observe . . .

What do the Scriptures have to say about the women standing at the cross and their children?

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

THREE Marys:
1) Mary, Mother of Jesus
2) Mary Magdalene
3) Mary (Mary's sister/adelphe), mother of James and Joseph (Joses)

When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are SQUASHED by the Bible.

Hold up there, brother.

Matthew 27:55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.

You cited this passage with Mary, the mother of Jesus, as among the 3 women, yet that Mary is the mother of James & Jonas. We see elsewhere;

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

So Mary, the mother of Jesus IS the same Mary that is the mother of James & Joses.

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It is obvious from scripture that Mary had other children after Jesus was born (Mark 6:3-4). It is only your religious predisposition that leads you to believe otherwise.

And I've already destroyed this weak argument.
Read posts 1624 & 1633 . . .

NOWHERE does the Bible say that Mary had other children.

justbyfaith said:
When Philip said to Jesus, Shew us the Father,
Jesus said, Have I been with you long and you have not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

Jesus was talking about His DIVINITY.
There is ONE DIVINITY - and THREE Persons.

justbyfaith said:
Yet Francis Chan is still a Protestant. So that would make not all Protestants wrong on the issue, if indeed Catholics are right.

Francis Chan is discerning his future.
He speaks at Catholic conferences now - something that before would have been UNTHINKABLE for him.

justbyfaith said:
I said "ouch" before because I consider that you are answering me according to my folly, in my mentioning of the fact that Catholics tend to be biblically illiterate; in that you have returned this back on us Protestants by calling us spiritually bankrupt.

It seems to me that in bolding your points you are emphasizing the faults of others; and this in my opinion is bad fruit. Any time you point the finger at someone else you generally have three fingers pointing back at you. And a critical spirit is normally the fruit of those who do not even know Christ.

Wrong.

I never said that Protestants were spiritually-banbkrupt.
I said that YOU were Scripturally-bankrupt.

BIG difference . . .

Enow · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Ummmmm, why don't you make the SAME critique about @Truther's asinine posts?
As long as it's anti-Catholic - it's "okay"?

Can YOU say, "Hypocrisy"?

Someone has to start somewhere. Does your signature show why you have no patience or not? It could very well be why they are baited to respond in like manner which Paul said to every one to watch out for les we bite and devour one another.

Try leaning on the Lord Jesus Christ this time in posting in patience, but be open to learning by the scripture with Him confirming the truth in His words to you.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Try it. See if you change the tone of your replies, they just might too.

But, yes... feel free to pass those references along to others for their edification if anything but to calm everybody down.

Enow · Feb 10, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
WRONG.
Worshiping ANOTHER god will get you eternal damnation. because it is an abomination before God.

Either 1500 years of ALL Christians went to Hell for worshiping the Eucharist - or they didn't.
If YOU can't commit to that - it's because you're NOT sure of your position on the Eucharist . . .

Scripture from the N.T. please about eternal damnation on Christians for idolatry.

I am very sure of my position on the Eucharist because I do not see anything in the N.T. that teaches that. You have to go outside the scripture to the RCC that teaches that from the Catechism. Eucharist is such a specific name and the importance of it is not found in scripture, let alone for the priest to consecrate the bread and the wine in performing the Mass in making Christ's one time sacrifice for sins to be made present again to be received again as if His blood was not good enough the first time when it was received.

Why wasn't the wine given a name? Why did the RCC separate the difference between communion and Mass as if Mass is more important and yet that emphasis is not explained in any of the epistle to the N.T. churches?

Like a lobster in a slowly boiling pot, a little leaven there and a little leaven here, and pretty soon, you are putting an emphasis outside of the Bible that was not stated to practice nor explained as such in the Bible.

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
Hold up there, brother.

Matthew 27:55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.

You cited this passage with Mary, the mother of Jesus, as among the 3 women, yet that Mary is the mother of James & Jonas. We see elsewhere;

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

So Mary, the mother of Jesus IS the same Mary that is the mother of James & Joses.

WRONG.

Read ALL of the accounts of the women near the cross.
I'll even color-code them for you:

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

THREE Marys:
1) Mary, Mother of Jesus
2) Mary Magdalene
3) Mary (Mary's sister/adelphe), mother of James and Joseph (Joses), wife of Clopas

The Greek "Clopas" is rendered in Aramaic as "Alphaeus" - the Father of James the Younger (Mark 2:18).
We read about this other Mary in Mark 16:1 . . .
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.

YOUR turn . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 10, 2020

Enow said:
Scripture from the N.T. please about eternal damnation on Christians for idolatry.

I am very sure of my position on the Eucharist because I do not see anything in the N.T. that teaches that. You have to go outside the scripture to the RCC that teaches that from the Catechism. Eucharist is such a specific name and the importance of it is not found in scripture, let alone for the priest to consecrate the bread and the wine in performing the Mass in making Christ's one time sacrifice for sins to be made present again to be received again as if His blood was not good enough the first time when it was received.

Why wasn't the wine given a name? Why did the RCC separate the difference between communion and Mass as if Mass is more important and yet that emphasis is not explained in any of the epistle to the N.T. churches?

Like a lobster in a slowly boiling pot, a little leaven there and a little leaven here, and pretty soon, you are putting an emphasis outside of the Bible that was not stated to practice nor explained as such in the Bible.

Where do youo get the warped idea that the Mass is "more important" than the Eucharist??
The Mass is ALL about the Eucharist. It is the celebration of the Eucharist.

As for Idolatry - 1 Cor. 6:9 states very explicitly that idolators will be eternally damned:
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor IDOLATORS nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.

So, I ask you again:
Did 1500 years of ALL Christianity go to Hell for worshiping the Eucharist until Protestantism "saved" the Church?

The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

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