1 JOHN ONLY ISRAEL CAN BE BORN AGAIN

SovereignGrace said:

Folks, this is hyper-dispensationialist psycho-babble.

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Do show from scripture my errors; show from scripture when Peter preached the same gospel as Paul

Preacher4Truth said:

Both Peter and Paul preached salvation by faith, justification by faith and the same everlasting gospel. You're one mixed up heretic.

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The invitation is for you as well to show from scripture Peter preaching the same gospel as Paul.

That the just would live by faith is nothing new Habakkuk 2.4

Preacher4Truth said:

No need to engage this heretic. Peter himself gave witness he and Paul preached the same Gospel. Plus this @Doug is under 1 John 2:19.

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What verse are you referring to saying Peter gave witness of the same gospel?

Preacher4Truth said:

You've been shown, but you will not see. Good luck, but you've fallen under Romans 16:17. No need to engage you further.

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Of course, no verses to refute the fact that they preached different gospels.

Preacher4Truth said:

You need to look again for understanding, it is to the elect, which includes the entire body of which there is only one.

And this, showing we are also included:

"And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, " 2 Peter 3:15.

Just as Paul's epistles were written to and were for both Jew and Gentile, so too Peters epistles. You're merely twisting Scripture as Peter solemnly warned against in the next verse and context.

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Paul preached Christ to Jew and Gentile from the law and the prophets as well as the mystery (Romans 16:25-26); there is nothing to indicate Peter wrote to Gentiles that I know of.

Peter acknowledged that Gentiles believed his preaching in Acts 15:7, but the gospel they responded to was the gospel of the kingdom, not the gospel of grace. These Gentiles are talked about by Paul in Romans 9:24-31. These Gentiles were part of the believing remnant of Israel.

Peter was speaking of the coming of Christ and longsuffering.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Paul spoke to Jews as well in his epistles, Romans 7:1 for example. In Romans 2 Israel is dealt with, and below, in Romans 2:4, he speaks of longsuffering. This is the kind of writings Peter is talking about in 2 Peter 3:15.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Preacher4Truth said:

You've been shown, but you will not see. Good luck, but you've fallen under Romans 16:17. No need to engage you further.

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I know you are done with me but, one last thing:

what do you see wrong with this ?

Here is a post from this website that reflects the eroding of the gospel revealed to Paul for this dispensation. Here is the product of believing there is only one gospel and mixing the gospel that saved Israel during the 4 Gospels and Acts period with the gospel of grace revealed to Paul.

SovereignGrace said:

Folks, this is hyper-dispensationialist psycho-babble.

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what do you see wrong with this ?

Here is a post from this website that reflects the eroding of the gospel revealed to Paul for this dispensation. Here is the product of believing there is only one gospel and mixing the gospel that saved Israel during the 4 gospels and Acts period with the gospel of grace revealed to Paul.

Preacher4Truth said:

God has a way of keeping these heretics out of local congregations. I'd guess many of them have been booted from churches.

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What is the gospel preached at your church and by you?

SovereignGrace said:

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;[1 Peter 3:18]

I was reading through 1 Peter last night and read that. Peter preached the same exact gospel that Paul did[1 Corinthians 15:1-4].

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This is how 1 Peter 3:18 reads in the KJV For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Suffered not died.

None the less read on:
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It is not just that Christ died for our sins is it? It is baptism that saves by the resurrection of Jesus Christ who was raised to sit on the throne of David (Acts 2:30); by his resurrection Israel had assurance he would reign in the kingdom on earth. Peter preached baptism as well in Acts 2:38:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Baptism was required for Israel to be cleansed to enter the kingdom and be priests (Exodus 19:5-6). Israel had to be baptized to keep the commandments to be righteous to enter the kingdom (Luke 7:29 Matthew 5:20 2 Peter 1:11).

Preacher4Truth said:

This truth is shown as Paul argues there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile; Romans 10:12-13, Romans 3:22, that all have sinned; Romans 3:23, and the whole world is guilty before God; Romans 3:9-20. He then expounds this one Gospel to them (us) all.

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You are mixing up what was revealed to Israel by Christ and the twelve with the mystery revealed to Paul. The mystery revealed to Paul was not made known to the twelve Ephesians 3:1-7. That Jew and Gentile could be justified freely by faith of Christ and his redemption was not known before Paul (Romans 3:22-25).

The content of Romans 10:12-13, by the way, is about the remnant of Israel, both Jew and Gentiles, that believed Christ was Messiah, the Son of God during the earthly ministries of Christ and the twelve.

SovereignGrace said:

I was thinking of Romans 2:28-29 as showing both Jews and Gentiles being in Christ by the circumcision of the heart by the Spirit.

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Romans 2 is directed at Israel and shows them they will not escape wrath simply by being born an Israelite. Romans 2:28-29 is describing the Israel of God, that is the true Jew, the true Israel, by faith not descent.