HEBREWS 8 THE NEW COVENANT IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH

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Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

That Christ died for the church, the body of Christ is scriptural.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

To say the new covenant is for the body of Christ denies what is clearly stated, unless the church is wrongly made to be Israel.
The Church has been grafted into the blessings of Abraham...

Romans 11:17 NKJV
[17] And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Galatians 4:28,31 NKJV
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Be careful not to fall into the error of Marcion.
 

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Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

The writer of Hebrews was writing to believing Jews in Christ, who believed the gospel of the kingdom, and were awaiting the coming of Christ to establish their Davidic kingdom on earth (Matthew 4:23 Jeremiah 23:5).

How do you apply this reference from the same Book of Hebrew?

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

I would believe that the Jews that are believers in Jesus Christ are seeking the same thing as the O.T. saints are as the author, Paul is.
 

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The Church has been grafted into the blessings of Abraham...

Romans 11:17 NKJV
[17] And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Galatians 4:28,31 NKJV
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Be careful not to fall into the error of Marcion.

The church, the body of Christ is not grafted into Israel.
This is based on misunderstanding Romans 11:17.
First of all there is neither Jew or Gentile in the body Galatians 3:28
Secondly it can be seen Paul in Romans 9 through 11 is talking of Israel.
Romans 11:5 is talking of the remnant of Israel, which believed in Christ from the preaching of Christ and the twelve apostles, not Paul.
Romans 9:24-27 is speaking of the believing remnant which was composed of both Jew and Gentiles.
It is the Gentiles in the remnant of Israel who are grafted in, not the body of Christ.
If the body of Christ has been grafted in we are in trouble because Romans 11:22 says we can be cut off and lose salvation.
 
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How do you apply this reference from the same Book of Hebrew?

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

I would believe that the Jews that are believers in Jesus Christ are seeking the same thing as the O.T. saints are as the author, Paul is.

First of all we can't know for sure Paul wrote Hebrews.
The old testament saints and those in Christ from Jesus's and the twelve's earthly ministry are seeking the heavenly city in Revelation 21:2 the new Jerusalem
 

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First of all we can't know for sure Paul wrote Hebrews.

You can ask Jesus to help you see the truth in His words, even though Paul wrote as led by the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 13:22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words. 23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. 24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you. 25 Grace be with you all. Amen.

Paul was a prisoner in Rome from which he had a lot of time to write letters or epistles to the churches.

The old testament saints and those in Christ from Jesus's and the twelve's earthly ministry are seeking the heavenly city in Revelation 21:2 the new Jerusalem

The firstfruit of the resurrection will be inheriting that city of God at the pre great tribulation rapture event for when after the great tribulation, the City of God will come down and dwell among men on earth. The saints growing up during the millennium reign will have access to that city of God to eat from the tree of life for the healing of the nations but do not live in that city of God because they live elsewhere from various places all over the world. I have read though that some will be born in that city from which expectant mothers may make it a point to visit that city for that blessing on that child being born, but as for living there, the child would obviously go home with his or her mother afterwards.
 

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I didn't say 'into Israel'; I said " into the blessings of Abraham", so go back and try again.

My response was based on your citing of Romans 11:17 which does speak of being grafted into Israel
 

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My response was based on your citing of Romans 11:17 which does speak of being grafted into Israel
It doesn't say Israel, after all, much of Israel was broken off as natural branches.
 

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It doesn't say Israel, after all, much of Israel was broken off as natural branches.
Israel is the subject of Romans 9 through ll.
Just look at some of the verses like Romans 9:4 Romans 10:1 Romans 11:1 Romans 11:7 Romans 11:15 Romans 11:25
 
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Israel is the subject of Romans 9 through ll.
Just look at some of the verses like Romans 9:4 Romans 10:1 Romans 11:1 Romans 11:7 Romans 11:15 Romans 11:25
So we are grafted into the branches that were broken off?
No, the topic is 'what happens to the Jews in relation to believing Gentiles.
Both believing Jews and believing Gentiles are grafted into the Covenant blessings first given to Abraham (even before he was circumcised). In any case, the root which supports us is Christ.
 

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So we are grafted into the branches that were broken off?
No, the topic is 'what happens to the Jews in relation to believing Gentiles.
Both believing Jews and believing Gentiles are grafted into the Covenant blessings first given to Abraham (even before he was circumcised). In any case, the root which supports us is Christ.

Neither Jews or Gentiles are grafted into covenant today
 

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Neither Jews or Gentiles are grafted into covenant today
Ephesians 3:6 (KJV) That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
I hope you realize I was speaking of 'believing Gentiles and Jews.
 

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Ephesians 3:6 (KJV) That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
I hope you realize I was speaking of 'believing Gentiles and Jews.

The Gentiles would be of the same body which is the body of Christ.
The promise is not the promises made to Israel.
The promise is of the Spirit...that we would be justified by faith in Christ (Galatians 3:22-24 Ephesians 1:13)
 

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The Gentiles would be of the same body which is the body of Christ.
The promise is not the promises made to Israel.
The promise is of the Spirit...that we would be justified by faith in Christ (Galatians 3:22-24 Ephesians 1:13)
And here I thought that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile but one new man.
 

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And here I thought that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile but one new man.

In saying the Gentiles would be of the same body which is the body of Christ I was referring to this verse:
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

That and Ephesians 2:15 is speaking of making of Jew and Gentile one new man.
 

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In saying the Gentiles would be of the same body which is the body of Christ I was referring to this verse:
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

That and Ephesians 2:15 is speaking of making of Jew and Gentile one new man.
My point was that the promise was made to both Israel and the Gentiles, in fact 'to the Jew first'.