1 JOHN ONLY ISRAEL CAN BE BORN AGAIN
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Israel is the servants of God in fact.
One must go back to when Jacob became Israel and why.
Not this childish dribble that the Jews are all Israel, because clearly they were not all Israel, even Holy Moses points this out, not to mention Jesus points this out.
Moses led the Jews around for 40 years in the wilderness because of bastards within and their attachment to the idolising crap of the Egypt.
It looks as tho the Satanist are peddling a race card nowadays with Semite worship, we have total nonsense words like Anti-Semite for one peddled, but such as this dribble falls far from the mark in fact, as the over whelming majority of Semites are of the Islamic faith in fact.
So why use a word like Anti-Semite ? in regards to the Jews.
Fact remans that no one talks about the Jews as being a race unless they are a blighted fool.
When a true Christian debates about the Jews, they are talking about the religion period ! and never a race card, because the Jews are not a race in fact, as they were a Tribe of Religion and it's the Religion that dominates the Tribe, the people do not dominate the Religion, the Religion dominates over the people because that is what they are.
The Satanist nowadays are twisting everything around so that people who do not have a handle on the reality of the subject are mislead. they peddle so much dribble trying everything in the book of Satan to shut down freedom of speech and real debate, we see such workings in the media nowadays playing their degenerate satanic games that work to paint a picture of anyone to a audience that is mainly just dilettantes on a subject, so that the point being displayed is bastardised by the cunning of such devils, remember that they are masters of such deceptive artistry in duping the majority of people.
They are much like used car sales men in selling you a product that is truly just dribbling nonsense, when it's all truly just a art form of deceptive hogwash that is being handed out to you, it sounds good or it comes across as a good deal, just like selling you insurance but do you have a full knowledge of what is truly at hand in all this. many don't ! many don't even read the small print and to mention much more to it all that one could fathom.
One must go back to when Jacob became Israel and why.
Not this childish dribble that the Jews are all Israel, because clearly they were not all Israel, even Holy Moses points this out, not to mention Jesus points this out.
Moses led the Jews around for 40 years in the wilderness because of bastards within and their attachment to the idolising crap of the Egypt.
It looks as tho the Satanist are peddling a race card nowadays with Semite worship, we have total nonsense words like Anti-Semite for one peddled, but such as this dribble falls far from the mark in fact, as the over whelming majority of Semites are of the Islamic faith in fact.
So why use a word like Anti-Semite ? in regards to the Jews.
Fact remans that no one talks about the Jews as being a race unless they are a blighted fool.
When a true Christian debates about the Jews, they are talking about the religion period ! and never a race card, because the Jews are not a race in fact, as they were a Tribe of Religion and it's the Religion that dominates the Tribe, the people do not dominate the Religion, the Religion dominates over the people because that is what they are.
The Satanist nowadays are twisting everything around so that people who do not have a handle on the reality of the subject are mislead. they peddle so much dribble trying everything in the book of Satan to shut down freedom of speech and real debate, we see such workings in the media nowadays playing their degenerate satanic games that work to paint a picture of anyone to a audience that is mainly just dilettantes on a subject, so that the point being displayed is bastardised by the cunning of such devils, remember that they are masters of such deceptive artistry in duping the majority of people.
They are much like used car sales men in selling you a product that is truly just dribbling nonsense, when it's all truly just a art form of deceptive hogwash that is being handed out to you, it sounds good or it comes across as a good deal, just like selling you insurance but do you have a full knowledge of what is truly at hand in all this. many don't ! many don't even read the small print and to mention much more to it all that one could fathom.
Paul was apostle to the Gentiles but was also sent to Jews Acts 9:15
God wanted all men to be saved 1 Timothy 2:4
There are similarities between Peter and Paul, but that does not negate the differences. For example just because they both preached faith and Christ does not translate to say they preached the same gospel.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words.......
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,....
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
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All, note ALL have sinned and come short of God's glory. (not just Jews)
As MANY as received him. to them, he gave the right to be sons of God. Nothing there about Jews.
For God so loved the WORLD (not Jews), that he gave his only begotten son so that if they believe in him they will not perish but have everlasting life.
Except a MAN, (not a Jew) be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (Jews only?)
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (not the Jews' sake) those days shall be shortened.
He that believeth (No Jews here) and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved (No mention of Jews).
I am the door: by me, if any man (not any Jew) enter in, he shall be saved and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever (not Jews) shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (No mention of being a jew).
And why do members of the body of Christ need to be born again again?
And the term born again only appears ONCE in Peter's epistles and not at all in Paul's so you are on very thin ground here.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
From this verse it can be seen that the Gentiles talked about in Acts 15 are Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom preached by Peter and are not believers through Paul's gospel and therefore are not in the body of Christ.
'For who maketh thee to differ from another?
and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?
now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory,
as if thou hadst not received it?
(1 Corinthians 4:7)
Hello @Doug,
I believe that the people who revile you here are doing so because they do not truly understand what the Body of Christ is. To them The Body and The Bride are one entity, and not two separate callings. They have not acknowledged the Divine revelation made to Paul following the laying aside of Israel in unbelief, which had until then been 'hid in God' since before the world began (Ephesians 3:9 & Colossians 1:26). So no distinction is made between Kingdom teaching and the Acts church: the church which is His (Christ's) body, and the teaching concerning it.
* They have not acknowledged that the later (prison) epistles of Paul *contain the administration of the church which is His Body, and that all prior writing of either Paul, Peter, James, John and Jude, the gospels or the Old Testament prophets have no mention of it: it not having been revealed until that revelation of God to Paul at the end of the Acts period.
* If I am wrong they must enlighten me, and forgive me for misunderstanding them: but if that is the case then they can be forgiven for making such severe accusations against you, for it is done out of ignorance.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
* Prison Epistles:- Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.
and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?
now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory,
as if thou hadst not received it?
(1 Corinthians 4:7)
Hello @Doug,
I believe that the people who revile you here are doing so because they do not truly understand what the Body of Christ is. To them The Body and The Bride are one entity, and not two separate callings. They have not acknowledged the Divine revelation made to Paul following the laying aside of Israel in unbelief, which had until then been 'hid in God' since before the world began (Ephesians 3:9 & Colossians 1:26). So no distinction is made between Kingdom teaching and the Acts church: the church which is His (Christ's) body, and the teaching concerning it.
* They have not acknowledged that the later (prison) epistles of Paul *contain the administration of the church which is His Body, and that all prior writing of either Paul, Peter, James, John and Jude, the gospels or the Old Testament prophets have no mention of it: it not having been revealed until that revelation of God to Paul at the end of the Acts period.
* If I am wrong they must enlighten me, and forgive me for misunderstanding them: but if that is the case then they can be forgiven for making such severe accusations against you, for it is done out of ignorance.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
* Prison Epistles:- Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.
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marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
Thanks for the encouragement.
I must tell you I do not agree with Acts 28.
Paul revealed mystery before his prison epistles.
Free justification Romans 3:22-25
The new creature 2 Corinthians 5:17
as an example.
Here is a link to an article if you would care to read it:
Did the Church Begin in Acts 28?
Thank you, @Doug,
I appreciate you telling me. We can maybe discuss this at some point in time.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our Lord and Head.
Chris
Forgot to say that Paul does need to be rightly divided as well to determine his audience/topic....Romans 9 thru 11 for example is about Israel
Yes, Doug, I do understand. However I won't take it further here, because it will derail your thread.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Re: replies #91 to #95 between Doug and Charity, re. Acts 28 as the dispensational boundary of this present dispensation.
Hello @Doug,
Do you want to discuss this now? as there have been no further responses to the subject of the thread itself. Or would you prefer to start a new thread? If you would like to start here, would you tell me where you believe the present dispensation began?
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello @Doug,
Do you want to discuss this now? as there have been no further responses to the subject of the thread itself. Or would you prefer to start a new thread? If you would like to start here, would you tell me where you believe the present dispensation began?
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
This dispensation began with the revelation given to Paul, when he was saved in Acts 9.... but,the exact time by verse is unknown to me
Mike Waters
Well-Known Member
I am not sure whether to be glad or sorry to have turned to this thread.
After over 65 years in the Christian faith this is the first time I have been alerted to there being a difference between hyperdispensationalism and ultradispensationalism; having previous only been alerted to the hyper version.
So I did a search and found Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia and What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org
And now it looks like I might get further enlightenment if Charity and Doug thrash out their differences.
After over 65 years in the Christian faith this is the first time I have been alerted to there being a difference between hyperdispensationalism and ultradispensationalism; having previous only been alerted to the hyper version.
So I did a search and found Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia and What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org
And now it looks like I might get further enlightenment if Charity and Doug thrash out their differences.
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There is no enlightenment in either Hyper- or Ultra-Dispensationalism. For all intents and purposes they are the same. And they are in serious error.
Mike Waters
Well-Known Member
I am not prepared to align with such a dogmatic conclusion before I have listened carefully and prayerfully to what Charity and Doug have to say to each other.
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