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Illuminator

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Right, but still goes to point no one should be calling any Catholic priest or any Christian leader, "Father" per the title Jesus said for us not to do or be called by as an example.
You can't read scripture. Jesus was not talking literally.

Matt. 23:9 – Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father. (you completely miss the point)

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

Eph. 3:14-15 – every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?” (because they don't go by scripture as they claim)

1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” (there is no way around it)

1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.

2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.

Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”

Thus, your eisegesis of Matt. 23:9 falls apart.
 

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No - either you adhere to the false, man-made invention of Sola Scriptura - or you do what Scriptural ACTUALLY teaches and adhere to Scripture AND Sacred Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15).

THOSE are your choices, Einstein . . .
You, my RCC friend, are SOLA POPA UNSCRIPTURA.

Dump the pontiff-unscriptura and love your Bible.
 

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WRONG again.
See - this is why I said you weren't very bright.

The Rosary is a DEVOTIONAL - NOT a requirement.
The Catechism doesn't teach that we must pray the Rosary.
"Hail Mary" is not a prayer???
Who were we talking to then?
Mary or ourselves?
 

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47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Mary said this.

Question: what was she saved from?
Eternal spiritual death like every other Christian.

The difference is that SHE was saved prior to being born.
YOU'RE not . . .
 

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Did you actually WATCH that video?
No Pope in history - even the ones that did some bad things ever TAUGHT heresy.

THAT is where the charism of infallibility lies.
They're infallible - NOT impeccable . . .

I understand your point of view but Biblically, for the Pope to be without error in teaching of others, then he cannot walk in darkness.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

For the times of fornication, and other sins, did the Pope perform the Mass rightly? Does any priest when they walk in darkness? Did any one receive the communion in a worthy manner during those times? How about from a priest guilty of child molestation?

I can accept how you defend the doctrine of infallible Pope, when it comes to their teaching others, but not when they are in error or walking in darkness to be that Pope that teaches others. That is how I do not see them as infallible Popes when they themselves are in error.
 

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You, my RCC friend, are SOLA POPA UNSCRIPTURA.

Dump the pontiff-unscriptura and love your Bible.
The fact is - Catholics love their Bible MORE than Protestants because we actually FOLLOW it closer than Protestants.
 

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Eternal spiritual death like every other Christian.

The difference is that SHE was saved prior to being born.
YOU'RE not . . .
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.


Why was Mary saved from eternal death if she never sinned?
 

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I understand your point of view but Biblically, for the Pope to be without error in teaching of others, then he cannot walk in darkness.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

For the times of fornication, and other sins, did the Pope perform the Mass rightly? Does any priest when they walk in darkness? Did any one receive the communion in a worthy manner during those times? How about from a priest guilty of child molestation?

I can accept how you defend the doctrine of infallible Pope, when it comes to their teaching others, but not when they are in error or walking in darkness to be that Pope that teaches others. That is how I do not see them as infallible Popes when they themselves are in error.
Then YOU are one of those people who believes that a Christian is UNABLE to sin??
That is a false doctrine of men.

the Bible is CLEAR that we continue to stumble in sin - but Christ is our way out.
 

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The fact is - Catholics love their Bible MORE than Protestants because we actually FOLLOW it closer than Protestants.
No, they love the Pope more than the Bible.

Catholics don't study the N.T.

I was raised in a home that had only OT RCC published Bibles(no NT's).

The priest did not want us to see Acts.

Why?
 

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There is such a thing as a "cafeteria" Catholic that do not believe everything about Catholicism and the Catholic Catechism.
That's nothing new. There is such a thing as a "cafeteria" Protestant that disregards their own reformers, as most Protestants hold to a conglomeration of conflicting opinions: I little of Luther here, a littler of Calvin there, whatever the individual decides.
Pope Clement 1 had written an epistle to the Corinthians accusing them of jealousy for not giving a portion from their collection to the collectors from Rome that he had sent. That was the beginning of covetousness by the CC from Rome for how that paying tribute to the overhead began. Hardly a practice that Paul nor Peter started, mind you. What Paul had order was that portion be set aside for the support of missionaries in the field; not for paying tribute to the church of St. Peter or even to Peter himself since CC claims him as the first Pope.
Instead of quoting Pope Clement 1, you make things up.
How do you apply the Pope's announcement today for everyone not to convert any one?
What about the report of a few Catholic priests testifying to Satanists in the Vatican? Hardly sounds like a church that the gates of hell will not prevail against. It does show why Jesus had to rebuke Satan out of Peter because Peter wasn't the rock Jesus was building His Church on but Himself being the chief cornerstone.
That's 4 topics. You're rambling. Corrupt popes does not disprove infallibility.
As opposing the doctrine of the infallible Pope, here is a Catholic Talk Show reporting the 7 worst Popes in Catholic history.
Historical context is also presented. Corrupt popes does not disprove infallibility. What you prove here is a refusal to understand what infallibility means. No corrupt or anti-pope ever made an infallible declaration, you are just complaining over complicated historical events that happened 1000 years ago that has no meaning for today.
Now I know you are indoctrinated into the CC, and maybe all you can see is that indoctrination, but does reality really support such indoctrination?
So you change the meaning of "indoctrinate" to make it fit your preconceptions.

If corrupt popes disproves Catholicism, then the amoral behavior of the reformers disproves Protestantism.
Protestant Inquisitions: "Reformation" Intolerance & Persecution
CONTENTS
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN OVERVIEW
II. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION
III. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM
IV. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP
BIBLIOGRAPHY
 
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You can't read scripture. Jesus was not talking literally.

Matt. 23:9 – Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father. (you completely miss the point)

Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.

Let's recap together;

Matthew 23:1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

That is who He is speaking to.. and it is about...


2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

You say hypocrisy, bit it is what they do is to avoid too.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

So does a Catholic priest avoid this? Yes, that is right. The Reformers and Protestants have not exactly pruned themselves from everything Catholic.

Now for how we address others. Is it purely about avoiding calling any one by a title if they are hypocritical? He did also infer abut how we want to be addressed too.

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

BTW, I do not see "teacher" as being a title to avoid as listed per your version.

Anyway, it is about how we serve Him for why those titles of Rabbi, Father, and Master is to be avoided.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

So no. It cannot be as you say for then how can anyone call Peter "Father" when Paul had to rebuke him in Galatians 2:11-14 for behaving as a Jew separating himself from the Gentile believers like that. Peter's hypocrisy would have removed said title then and yet it did not happen because he was never called "father".

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

O.T. references are why they were calling priests rabbi and fathers and masters then in Jesus's days. Jesus was teaching the conditions for the New Covenant.

Eph. 3:14-15 – every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.

You added that last part. The reference does not infer that. If that was true, then no one is a child.

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?” (because they don't go by scripture as they claim)

Addressing fathers of families is not addressing them as "Fathers" as men by that title occupying chief ruling places in the churches.

1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” (there is no way around it)

1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

Did Paul address those who had instructed him as "Father"? No. Using the position in being a father to the flock as an "example" and not as a ruler is found wanting by you because that would mean there are not to be sons but fathers as well in following his example, but they are not because they are still learning to mature in Christ. That by no means justify calling any one "Father".

1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.

Pointing out Timothy as a young believer in the Lord is not exalting Paul in being called "Father"" by him.

2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.

2 Corinthians 12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing. 12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds. 13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. 16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile. 17 Did I make a gain of you by any of them whom I sent unto you? 18 I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps? 19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.

It reads to me that Paul consider him nothing and does not wish to burden them, but spend and be spent for their edification. So verse 14 is really about Paul providing for those that follow him; and not the other way around. He still seek to lead by being an example and a servant rather than a ruler with authority when the only authority there is, is the Word of God; Sola Scriptura.

Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”

Philippians 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state. 21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's. 22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel. 23 Him therefore I hope to send presently, so soon as I shall see how it will go with me. 24 But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.

Verse 22 is symbolic for assuring the man Paul sends will be like him that cares for their state. Since the son is representing Paul, does that mean they are to address Timothy as Father for being more mature in the Lord than they? No.

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.

Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”

Thus, your eisegesis of Matt. 23:9 falls apart.

Citing how he will relate to any young believers is not citing Paul is to be called "Father" nor how young believers are to call those that watch over them as the flock in seeking their edification, "Father".

Indeed, it would be hard not to see anyone as a ruler when addressing them by those titles of Rabbi, Father, or Master. It would be hard for those addressed as such not to become rulers rather than examples to the flock.
 

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Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?” (because they don't go by scripture as they claim)

Addressing fathers of families is not addressing them as "Fathers" as men by that title occupying chief ruling places in the churches.
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 refers to elders of the Church, not biological parenthood. You are twisting scripture.

1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” (there is no way around it)

1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

Did Paul address those who had instructed him as "Father"? No. Using the position in being a father to the flock as an "example" and not as a ruler is found wanting by you because that would mean there are not to be sons but fathers as well in following his example, but they are not because they are still learning to mature in Christ. That by no means justify calling any one "Father".
Then Paul is wrong for addressing Timothy as his son, according to you. Your eisegesis of Matthew 23:9 has been proven over and over again to be absurd.
 
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That's nothing new. There is such a thing as a "cafeteria" Protestant that disregards their own reformers, as most Protestants hold to a conglomeration of conflicting opinions: I little of Luther here, a littler of Calvin there, whatever the individual decides.

Instead of quoting Pope Clement 1, you make things up.

It is in his first epistle to the Corinthians and you be hard pressed to make out what the gist of why he was writing them too. It's there.

That's 4 topics. You're rambling. Corrupt popes does not disprove infallibility.

And the gates of hell shall not prevail against? For a Pope to be without error when he teaches, then he himself has to be walking in the light. That is why everything has to be proven by scripture; no matter who it is.

Historical context is also presented. Corrupt popes does not disprove infallibility. What you prove here is a refusal to understand what infallibility means. No corrupt or anti-pope ever made an infallible declaration, you are just complaining over complicated historical events that happened 1000 years ago that has no meaning for today.

BUT for a Pope to not be in error when teaching, then he by example cannot walk in error.

So you change the meaning of "indoctrinate" to make it fit your preconceptions.

If corrupt popes disproves Catholicism, then the amoral behavior of the reformers disproves Protestantism.
Protestant Inquisitions: "Reformation" Intolerance & Persecution
CONTENTS
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN OVERVIEW
II. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION
III. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM
IV. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP
BIBLIOGRAPHY

When someone is not walking in the light, John says the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

It is the part of the Pope "not being in error when he teaches" is why he is seen as inferring being infallible by Catholics in spite of the light of scripture that says he should walk in the light and not in darkness when teaching others for him to abide in truth.

I understand what you mean by your doctrine. now understand what I mean by the scripture in regards to that doctrine.

It is not about what he teaches as not being in error ( which is circumspect when he is living in darkness ) but the spiritual condition of the Pope to be in that authority to be allowed to teach when he is walking in darkness; therefore in that sense, not infallible.
 

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None of this excuses your ridiculous eisegesis of Matt. 23:9.

Plainly enough, you do not have any scripture citing anyone by the title of Father other than God thru out the N.T.

The point is to avoid having those titles when leaders are to be servants instead, by leading by examples.

As it is, Catholic priests and Protestants pastors have not avoided the description He had described the Pharisees in Matthew 23 rd chapter.

Their chief seats are before all in the congregation and their robes are enlarged to be seen by them all as set apart from them and not as one member of the body of Christ.

A little leaven leavens a whole lump. And those who depart did not get rid of all the leaven.
 

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Then Paul is wrong for addressing Timothy as his son, according to you.

1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

"Son" is hardly a title that any one can be tempted to rule over others by.

And since it is a reference to his growth state in the faith as a young believer and inferring him as following his example in representing Paul elsewhere, Timothy is allowed to teach others in his place for why he was addressed as such in that epistle.
 

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Then Paul is wrong for addressing Timothy as his son, according to you. Your eisegesis of Matthew 23:9 has been proven over and over again to be absurd.

Matthew 23:1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.... 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

If you apply verse 8 & 10, you can see that verse 9 is really about avoiding any one calling you "Father" and not just avoiding being called Rabbi or Master. By not calling anyone in spiritual authority as Father since the Word of God is the Head of every believer, then you are also avoid having any one call you Father as you can only lead by example per the Word of God.

 

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I'm not assuming anything that has "no" Biblical Authority.
Mary is the ONLY person mentioned in the Book of Revelation who is described as having a complete BODY - from head to toe.

Rev. 12:1
A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.


As for what Jesus thought of His mother - He HONORED her like any other Jewish man is supposed to.
Jesus kept the Commandments - and honoring your Father and mother is COMMANDED by God - it's NOT a "suggestion". To say that He didn't honor His mother is flat-out heresy.

Matt. 12:46-50 is a prime example of this. He is telling the crowd that she DID the will of the Father (v 50).

Finally - the fact that Mary received the Holy Spirit along woith the others at Pentecost is NOT any sort of "proof" that she wasn't already filled with the Spirit.

Jesus breathed on the Apostles in John 20:21-23 and gave them the Holy Spirit - PRIOR to Pentecost when He was giving them the power to forgive sins in His name.
Jesus Himself was BAPTIZED in order to fulfill all righteousness - NOT because He "needed" it.
SAME goes for Mary.

You have made many assumptions. I did not say that Jesus did not honour Mary as a mother (that is your accusation which you will need to go back a give the post#). I said He made nothing special of her when she and Jesus brothers and sisters stood without waiting to talk to him (yep he had brothers and sisters right there in scriptures) ... should Jesus have said "behold the queen of heaven" (or something).

Also the woman in revelation is NOT Mary (that is your assumption to fit your flawed theory). The woman is Israel...

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if you contend this is still Mary, then you have her with a whole slew of kids (as the dragon went to make war with the remnant of her seed)

Ohhh, you still need to address the end of this whole shibang, with God remembering the iniquities of the RCC and the candle being removed forever. Why are you disobedient against God, which is saying, "come out of her my people that you do not partake in her iniquities."
 

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Luke 11:27-28 KJV
[27] And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

This would’ve been the perfect opportunity for Jesus to say yes worship her...... why didn’t He?
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Matthew 23:1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.... 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

If you apply verse 8 & 10, you can see that verse 9 is really about avoiding any one calling you "Father" and not just avoiding being called Rabbi or Master. By not calling anyone in spiritual authority as Father since the Word of God is the Head of every believer, then you are also avoid having any one call you Father as you can only lead by example per the Word of God.
Calling priests "father" does not mean calling them God. Only stupid people come to that conclusion.
 

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Luke 11:27-28 KJV
[27] And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

This would’ve been the perfect opportunity for Jesus to say yes worship her...... why didn’t He?
Tecarta Bible
Mary heard the word of God and kept it. That's the point you miss. Your anti-Mary animus is not biblical.
 
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