The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

Enow · Feb 17, 2020

Willie T said:
Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it? (I imagine all those people in the Bible who started speaking in tongues right after they were baptized probably freaked out a few strangers who might have been watching...… How odd of God to deliberately discourage people that way.)

But the some understood what they were saying and were amazed because they were native Galileans.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Now does anyone during those modern events stand and preach to everyone like Peter did below? Or was it all about laughter & confusion?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

No falling down or loss of self control here. But in these movements, no edification, but the phenomenon lasts as long as it does, then they trail off and go home.

It just comes off as all about that phenomenon in taking the spotlight off of Jesus Christ in worship and that is how it ends.

Bobby Jo · Feb 17, 2020

Yet another sign that we're in the Tribulation, -- where the RELIGIOUS slander Christians:

1 Pter 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

Of course we're all ignorant in various topics, but ignorance can be cured. However, stupidity is forever! -- So the saying goes.

Bobby Jo

Enow · Feb 17, 2020

DNB said:
I'm getting the disconcerting feeling that Willie is?

I suspect also, but again, per the forum rules, we cannot say so until he comes right out and say it.

Willie T · Feb 17, 2020

Enow said:
But the some understood what they were saying and were amazed because they were native Galileans.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Now does anyone during those modern events stand and preach to everyone like Peter did below? Or was it all about laughter & confusion?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

No falling down or loss of self control here. But in these movements, no edification, but the phenomenon lasts as long as it does, then they trail off and go home.

It just comes off as all about that phenomenon in taking the spotlight off of Jesus Christ in worship and that is how it ends.

I said nothing about Pentecost. I asked about people all over the country who, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY WERE BAPTIZED, began speaking in tongues.

And I also asked Nancy if she had been with any long-time acquaintances when they started doing this laughter. Since she didn't answer, how about you take the same question?

Willie T · Feb 17, 2020

DNB said:
I'm getting the disconcerting feeling that Willie is?

I take to heart what Gamaliel said in Acts 5:39. I don't understand it either (just like you don't) but I am not going to take the chance that I "might be fighting against God" by trying to denounce it.

Enow · Feb 17, 2020

Willie T said:
I said nothing about Pentecost. I asked about people all over the country who, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY WERE BAPTIZED, began speaking in tongues.

Your actual quote below:

Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it? (I imagine all those people in the Bible who started speaking in tongues right after they were baptized probably freaked out a few strangers who might have been watching...… How odd of God to deliberately discourage people that way.)

That was why I had thought you were referring to Pentecost since you referred to all those people in the Bible...I would think that moment of the birth of the church would have been the most dramatic moment in church history for why I had thought you were referring to that.

And I also asked Nancy if she had been with any long-time acquaintances when they started doing this laughter. Since she didn't answer, how about you take the same question?

My aunt & cousins? Do they count? It happened at their community church in their state when I had visited them a week after with my folks on our vacation. They had shown the video of what had transpired the Sunday before but when after a brief testimonies by several young adults about their experiences, the pastor announced that he did not know what was going on but he was going to go along with it. Then he said a new age thing "no man can move the Holy Spirit, but man must move out of the way and the Holy Spirit will move in."

Feeling a hand pushed me three times where no one was behind in the pews for several rows over, I had thought the Lord wanted me to go forward and I did, asking for healing for my deaf ear and the tinnitus in my right ear. Nothing. But the Lord pointed that out for testing the spirits that greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world; hence that was the spirit of the antichrist that was in the world that I had felt pushing me to go forward whereas the Holy Spirit edified me by the scripture that He would always keep the spotlight on the Son in worship to glorify Him. Only seducing spirits or the spirit of the antichrist ( antichrist meaning as applied in scripture as "instead of Christ" or to be more precise " instead of the Son " rather than against Christ )

It doesn't really matter how long you have known someone when the apostle John did tell you not to believe every spirit but test them. So when do you apply 1 John 4:1-6 to such movements as that?

How do you discern seducing spirits from all of those feel good phenomenon as being the Holy Spirit that is coming on them when Jesus says we will know Him by Him dwelling within us and not by how the world does in receiving spirits.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So my question to you is, how can you know if those sinners in that video that would come to your church, claiming to be new believers, have departed from their practices and those spirits if God does the same thing as you assume by the Holy Spirit? And if Satan was doing that before Pentecost, does that make God the copy cat rather than the other way around?

Enow · Feb 17, 2020

Willie T said:
I take to heart what Gamaliel said in Acts 5:39. I don't understand it either (just like you don't) but I am not going to take the chance that I "might be fighting against God" by trying to denounce it.

In context;

Acts 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

I believe it will come to naught because nothing has really changed other than taking your eyes off of the Son by chasing after the Holy Spirit in the market place when He has been in you since you had come t & believed in Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

I do not see how you could have tested those spirits, brother.

Helen · Feb 17, 2020

...Q

Isn't this subject all old news?

This was happening a couple of decades ago around the time of "the Toronto Blessing" etc etc ...

Has something new cropped up lately , that I have not heard about ?

Willie T · Feb 17, 2020

After reading that, Enow, all I can say is...……….. Well, I have no idea what to say, I am so stunned by what I read.

Helen · Feb 17, 2020

By the style of the women's clothes , it does not look like today on the video...

I agree with @Willie T
I leave all final judgments to God.
I just remember that King David said to his scoffing wife.
" Just watch me lady...I will yet be more vile ." And he flung of his garb and danced with all his might before the Lord.

And for the rest of us...we can choose to take it or leave it. God alone see the intent of the heart.

Nancy · Feb 17, 2020

Enoch111 said:
One does not say this with Willie around. But Willie did respond to your willies.

Nancy · Feb 17, 2020

Willie T said:
Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it? (I imagine all those people in the Bible who started speaking in tongues right after they were baptized probably freaked out a few strangers who might have been watching...… How odd of God to deliberately discourage people that way.)

Yes, it DID freak them out to hear the Gospel in their own languages. This is only what I have come to believe. It does not mean that I am correct and you aren't...neither does it mean that God can and does give different gifts to different people at various times and will bring us all into understanding if/when we are open and, I think I am open but, just not at that place right now?

Nancy · Feb 17, 2020

Willie T said:
Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it? (I imagine all those people in the Bible who started speaking in tongues right after they were baptized probably freaked out a few strangers who might have been watching...… How odd of God to deliberately discourage people that way.)

..."Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it?" Whole congregation speaking in "tongues" a the same time, yes. The holy laughter stuff, no.

Nancy · Feb 17, 2020

Willie T said:
I said nothing about Pentecost. I asked about people all over the country who, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY WERE BAPTIZED, began speaking in tongues.

And I also asked Nancy if she had been with any long-time acquaintances when they started doing this laughter. Since she didn't answer, how about you take the same question?

Just now answered Willie.

Willie T · Feb 17, 2020

The reason I asked Nancy if she knew (years of close friendship) people who did this laughing thing is because of our location here in Florida, we have more Christian activity going on here than anywhere else in America. Thus, many of us from our church were able to attend one of Rodney Howard Brown's services together.

The laughter thing happened. Many of my friends laughed, even though Sue and I felt nothing.

These are friends I had known for 10+ years. They were on fire for God, and had been for as long as I had known them, and are even more devoted to Him today.

How is satan supposed to work? Is it his aim to make people's faith in God even stronger? Is his goal to have them redouble their desire for God so that after experiencing some of these things you can't understand, that they are now twice as much in love with God?

This happened 25 years ago, and I still know most of them today. Many of them are absolute "God-Dynamos!" If that was supposed to draw them away from God, satan sure goofed. And they still remember that night as one of the most Godly experiences of their lives.

Nancy · Feb 17, 2020

It has taken me decades to get where I am comfortable with God being who He is, and Christ will never leave me. My second protestant Church I attended was very Pentecostal. I wont delve into that experience but won't forget it.
Since I wanted so bad to "speak in tongues, and get "slain" in the Spirit-being pushed by the pastor but, the only way I would have fallen would have been to let him push me!...those things never happened. So, for decades, I was just waiting, and wondering why I don't get those "feelings" or experiences or gifts? I have come to be very peaceful knowing finally, that God is NOT a feeling, being saved is NOT a "feeling" Just believing what He says in His Word is proof enough for myself.
I will never tell ANYONE on here that their experiences are/were wrong...I don't know that. I know there are many on here I love dearly and DO have these experiences and, far be it from me to deny them! After all, God can do anything ♥

Willie T · Feb 17, 2020

Nancy said:
Yes, it DID freak them out to hear the Gospel in their own languages. This is only what I have come to believe. It does not mean that I am correct and you aren't...neither does it mean that God can and does give different gifts to different people at various times and will bring us all into understanding if/when we are open and, I think I am open but, just not at that place right now?

Hey, that night 25 years ago was very strange and odd to me. And, to this day, I have never experienced "Holy Laughter." But, I have lived around and hung out with some who DID laugh. It was real for them, you can be sure of that.

marks · Feb 17, 2020

Nancy said:
It has taken me decades to get where I am comfortable with God being who He is, and Christ will never leave me. My second protestant Church I attended was very Pentecostal. I wont delve into that experience but won't forget it.
Since I wanted so bad to "speak in tongues, and get "slain" in the Spirit-being pushed by the pastor but, the only way I would have fallen would have been to let him push me!...those things never happened. So, for decades, I was just waiting, and wondering why I don't get those "feelings" or experiences or gifts? I have come to be very peaceful knowing finally, that God is NOT a feeling, being saved is NOT a "feeling" Just believing what He says in His Word is proof enough for myself.
I will never tell ANYONE on here that their experiences are/were wrong...I don't know that. I know there are many on here I love dearly and DO have these experiences and, far be it from me to deny them! After all, God can do anything ♥

Whenever I see this discussion, I remember my younger sister telling me about her being "slain in the spirit" in a local Pentacostal church, and a pastor well known for his Pentacostal activity.

The thing is, my sister never was a Christian. She went there with my other sister, and to this day is not reborn, I'm so very sad to say!

So what happened that day?

marks · Feb 17, 2020

The "holy laughter", doesn't sound right to me, but who am I? This isn't that, I realize:

There was a time when I was in prayer to God, seeking power from Him in my life, and in answer to that prayer, He gave me a filling of His Spirit, and knew in that moment that my life was changed for this infusion of His power.

I was so filled with Joy I began to laugh in pure rejoicing. That laughter didn't subside for about 45 minutes. I was not out of control. I could have stopped myself I think, though, since I was alone in my car for the next hour and a half, it never occurred to me.

But the joy was so amazing, so strong, so delightful, why would I not laugh? And laugh and laugh and laugh?

God is so good!

Much love!

Willie T · Feb 17, 2020

marks said:
Whenever I see this discussion, I remember my younger sister telling me about her being "slain in the spirit" in a local Pentacostal church, and a pastor well known for his Pentacostal activity.

The thing is, my sister never was a Christian. She went there with my other sister, and to this day is not reborn, I'm so very sad to say!

So what happened that day?

Jesus had Peter actually walking on water with Him. But, it didn't last. Even 30 some years later, Paul had to chastise him for discriminating against fellow Gentile Christians when his Jewish buddies from Jerusalem came visiting. Just because God touches someone, doesn't mean they are going to respond to it..... maybe not at all..... maybe for awhile.... and then, maybe for the rest of their lives. Who knows? (Parable of the sower and the seeds?)

But, none of that means God didn't reach out and touch them.

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