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Enow said:

have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

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Have you not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? Are you a priest in the temple? Not. I thought so.

Non the less you allege that you are guiltless when you do what? Transgress the Sabbath (Law)? Now where did you get that excuse from? From this verse? Oukie, it does not excuse you from transgressing the Sabbath Commandment! It excuses priests in the temple to "APPLY PUBLICLY" / "profane", the Sabbath.

Giuliano said:

I am not going to make that assumption, especially since the Bible itself tells us the Sabbath was given specifically to Israel.

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You will find that the Sabbath was given to man in Eden. It was not specific to Israel. It was reiterated to Israel as was don't murder, don't bear false witness and the other Commandments transcribed by the finger of God at Sinai.

Giuliano said:

I also go by what is written in Acts about it. If they thought keeping the Sabbath was "necessary," I think they would have included it in the list they drew up. I am not going to try to read between the lines.

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You need to read between the lines if you want context and accuracy which I'm sure you want.
According to the logic you've used it follows we could say its ok to covet or bear false witness etc because it is not mentioned specifically in the text you referred to.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Understand the Gospel and you'll understand the <Sanctuary system>. Never vice versa!

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well perhaps you could explain it to me?

lforrest said:

Isn't the Sabbath a shadow of the Lord's rest? I am only scratching the surface here, but the last day of creation is focusing on the end, it is from a temporal perspective looking forward to eternal life. Sunday is looking back to the beginning, our beginning in eternity for those who already have eternal life. Regardless all the days are still shadows of what is in heaven, but they still have value as memorials.

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Jesus died on a Friday....does that mean we attach significance to it so it eclipses's a Commandment? Isn't that what Jesus charged the Jews with doing in his statement on Corban
Mark 7:9-13 ...And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

quietthinker said:

You will find that the Sabbath was given to man in Eden.

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Perhaps implicitly, since there is nothing to that effect stated in Genesis 2. But then it was incorporated into the Law of Moses for Israel (about 2,500 years later).

However, when the Holy Spirit was asked to rule about whether the Law of Moses would apply to Gentile Christians, the Sabbath was NOT included. On the other hand the Lord's Day (the Christian Sabbath) went into effect after the resurrection of Christ, which is both a day of rest and of worship.

Christians should note carefully that the Sabbath for Israel is included with the feasts and holy days in Leviticus 23. And since the Levitical priesthood has been abolished, the Sabbath has been declared to be a shadow of the reality of Christ and His eternal rest for the believer.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it... For we which have believed do enter into rest... For if [Joshua] had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day... There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Heb 4:1.3.8.9)

Giuliano said:

I'm very aware that Sunday is not the Sabbath. I was joking.

As for what day people keep, that's their affair. The Sabbath was given to Israel. The Bible says that.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

I'm a Gentile not a Jew. My ancestors were not at Sinai.

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I dano!! you might just be related to one of the 10 northern Tribes? Ephraim had a huge blessing placed upon Him By Jacob! Scattered into the nations, to places their forefathers never heard about, like maybe Oklahoma?

Enoch111 said:

Perhaps implicitly, since there is nothing to that effect stated in Genesis 2. But then it was incorporated into the Law of Moses for Israel (about 2,500 years later).

However, when the Holy Spirit was asked to rule about whether the Law of Moses would apply to Gentile Christians, the Sabbath was NOT included. On the other hand the Lord's Day (the Christian Sabbath) went into effect after the resurrection of Christ, which is both a day of rest and of worship.

Christians should note carefully that the Sabbath for Israel is included with the feasts and holy days in Leviticus 23. And since the Levitical priesthood has been abolished, the Sabbath has been declared to be a shadow of the reality of Christ and His eternal rest for the believer.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it... For we which have believed do enter into rest... For if [Joshua] had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day... There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Heb 4:1.3.8.9)

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Sin is defined in scripture as the transgression of the Law. 1 John 3:4

In Genesis 4:7 Cain was warned by God 'If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.'
We can make the accurate deduction from this that the first inhabitants of the planet were conscious of God's Law later transcribed by the finger of God on tablets of stone, the Sabbath included.

The Commandments are a complete unit....break one you break them all. If one can be disregarded then all can be disregarded yet it was precisely because the Law being a reflection of God's character cannot and will not be altered, that Jesus died. Were they alterable Jesus need not have died.

To interpret the texts you have quoted above to nullify the Commandment of the 7th day Sabbath is a miscarriage of their intent. you might like to consider them again.

As a sideline, chances are that stone the Commandments were written on was Lapis Lazuli, a gemstone of dark blue and if you are familiar with the designation of colours you will know that blue is colour for the law. God's Law encompasses the planet...see the sky and the oceans.

Secondly, if the laws of the Medes and Persians as mentioned in the book of Daniel (Dan. 6:8, 12 & 15 were designated as unalterable, how much more the Law of the Eternal God.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Have you not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? Are you a priest in the temple? Not. I thought so.

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Was David a priest? So Jesus was not talking about priests for why His disciples are blameless. He referred to the Temple and then when defending His disciples, He said One greater than the Temple was here, mainly Himself.

Non the less you allege that you are guiltless when you do what? Transgress the Sabbath (Law)? Now where did you get that excuse from? From this verse? Oukie, it does not excuse you from transgressing the Sabbath Commandment! It excuses priests in the temple to "APPLY PUBLICLY" / "profane", the Sabbath.

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You and I are guiltless because Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always. He has His righteousness in us for why He is able to make us stand regardless if you honor Him that sabbath day or not. That is how He becomes our sabbath that we can rest from keeping the sabbath day in Him for.

Giuliano said:

Do not be foolish. If you have a different idea about God than the Jews have, perhaps you should remember that Jesus said the Jews had it right.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Ha, ha, perhaps it is you who do not know what you worship. I suggest reading Deuteronomy 13 too. Israel was told never to change that idea about God. No future revelations would be altering it.

Do you seriously think God has varied over time?

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So...you like Deuteronomy? Okay try this on for size;
Deut18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Guess who Moses was speaking of????

LC627 said:

It is a kind of ironic post

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So I'll borrow this ... only, thanks,
"Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered." - R.C. Sproul
"The only person in history who did not deserve to suffer, suffered most." - John Piper
“Everything we receive other than eternal damnation is more than we deserve.” - John MacArthur
"Salvation is not a reward for the righteous, it is a gift for the guilty." - Steve Lawson

BUT NO plusses, thanks : Solus Christus ~ Sola Gratia ~ Sola Fide ~ Sola Scriptura ~ Soli Deo Gloria !

Seasoned by Grace said:

....Sundays as a Christ follower and obey the 10 Commandments 24/7, so as I don't do forums on Sunday, I will see you Monday.
God bless you all.

My name is OLIGOS

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Hello OLIGOS ,every day is the sabbath,as we rest in Christ everyday and sabbath means rest.However if that's what you feel ,it's all good....

Why oh Why can't people see that there are two Houses,Israel and Judah?

Enow said:

You and I are guiltless because Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always. He has His righteousness in us for why He is able to make us stand regardless if you honor Him that sabbath day or not. That is how He becomes our sabbath that we can rest from keeping the sabbath day in Him for.

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no where does the scripture say Jesus is our rest in order to replace the Commandment.....that is sleight of hand.

Enow said:

Was David a priest? So Jesus was not talking about priests for why His disciples are blameless. He referred to the Temple and then when defending His disciples, He said One greater than the Temple was here, mainly Himself.

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Listen here chum, not i but you wrote, quoting Jesus, <<Have you not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?>>, and it's you next thing contradicting both yourself and Jesus, telling me, <<Jesus was not talking about priests>>.

Jesus was not defending only his disciples and Himself, He also defended the priests who in the temple "profaned the Sabbath, and were blameless". Now you paint Jesus not only as transgressing and defaming the Sabbath, but as some blaspheming bigot DEFENDING the loathsome acts and ultimate slander of the holy Law of the Holy God!

This was not all, chum, Jesus, to the point, DEFENDED THE SABBATH against the hypocrite Pharisees' sick ideas about it. Jesus ARGUED AGAINST THEIR LYING, FOR THE TRUTH, OF THE LAW AND THE SCRIPTURES AND THE SABBATH AND EVENTUALLY FOR THE LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY, HIMSELF.

But you judge me for being <poorly informed ... arrogant and ignorant of the Scriptures>. You poor man.

Enoch111 said:

Christians should note carefully that the Sabbath for Israel is included with the feasts and holy days in Leviticus 23.

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The very opposite! Leviticus 23:3,4 and 37,38.

Enoch111 said:

Perhaps implicitly, since there is nothing to that effect stated in Genesis 2. But then it was incorporated into the Law of Moses for Israel (about 2,500 years later).

However, when the Holy Spirit was asked to rule about whether the Law of Moses would apply to Gentile Christians, the Sabbath was NOT included. On the other hand the Lord's Day (the Christian Sabbath) went into effect after the resurrection of Christ, which is both a day of rest and of worship.

Christians should note carefully that the Sabbath for Israel is included with the feasts and holy days in Leviticus 23. And since the Levitical priesthood has been abolished, the Sabbath has been declared to be a shadow of the reality of Christ and His eternal rest for the believer.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it... For we which have believed do enter into rest... For if [Joshua] had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day... There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Heb 4:1.3.8.9)

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It's intriguing how Lullaby's remain the same through age after age and keep effective from Enoch111 said↑


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quietthinker said:

Jesus died on a Friday.

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Jesus finished Sacrifice of Himself and died on the "Preparation of the Passover .. the ninth hour" mid-afternoon Abib 14 John 19:14 (Thursday);

He was finished Buried "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath .. That Day .. great-day-of-sabbath-of" the passover "while the Sabbath ("according to the (Fourth) Commandment") mid-afternoon was nearing" Abib 15 Luke 23:54-56 (Friday)

Christ ROSE "on the day that followed the Preparation Day .. the third day He said, I will rise again .. as daylight mid-afternoon began to dawn / incline against the First Day of the week and there suddenly came a great earthquake when the angel of the Lord cast the stone from the sepulchre .. ON THE SABBATH" Abib 16 and "finished cleansing and restoring the Sanctuary" of the Almighty God. Matthew 27:62-28:4.

PS:
Josefus: "Het feest van de ongezuurde broden volgt op het Pascha en valt op de vijftiende dag van de maand en duurt zeven dagen … Maar op de tweede dag van het feest van de ongezuurde broden, die de zestiende dag van de maand is, eet men voor de eerste keer van de vruchten van het veld."
A.E. Knoch
Stichting E-H Depot Nederland
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3009 MC Rotterdam

quietthinker said:

well perhaps you could explain it to me?

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Refer #97

quietthinker said:

no where does the scripture say Jesus is our rest in order to replace the Commandment.....that is sleight of hand.

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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Listen here chum, not i but you wrote, quoting Jesus, <<Have you not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?>>, and it's you next thing contradicting both yourself and Jesus, telling me, <<Jesus was not talking about priests>>.

Jesus was not defending only his disciples and Himself, He also defended the priests who in the temple "profaned the Sabbath, and were blameless". Now you paint Jesus not only as transgressing and defaming the Sabbath, but as some blaspheming bigot DEFENDING the loathsome acts and ultimate slander of the holy Law of the Holy God!

This was not all, chum, Jesus, to the point, DEFENDED THE SABBATH against the hypocrite Pharisees' sick ideas about it. Jesus ARGUED AGAINST THEIR LYING, FOR THE TRUTH, OF THE LAW AND THE SCRIPTURES AND THE SABBATH AND EVENTUALLY FOR THE LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY, HIMSELF.

But you judge me for being <poorly informed ... arrogant and ignorant of the Scriptures>. You poor man.

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You are not rightly dividing the word of truth because Jesus was saying those words to defend His disciples.

If you want to strain against what He is saying for why He is saying it by your application, then explain how His disciples are guiltless.

And when you cannot fathom that, then ask Him for help to see the truth in His words for why every believer is guiltless now.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?