The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

VictoryinJesus said:

yes, a house divided cannot stand. But will surely fall and great was its fall. How true this is manifested right before our eyes. But Christ is not divided. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. [11] For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. [12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. [13] Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Scary. And sobering.

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Jesus did say how a believer that does not heed His words can fall.

Matthew 7: Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

When saved believers approach God the Father by calling on the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them or to get tongues for private use when He is already in them, God will permit that strong delusion to occur for believing that lie. That is what they get for dishonoring the Son as being the only way to come to God the Father by in worship, prayer, & fellowship; John 14:6 & John 5:22-23 & John 10:1

Willie T said:

Yeah, thinking God administers Holy Laughter is as crazy as thinking he would have Isaiah go around stark naked from the waist, down for three solid years.
God just doesn't do things like that, does He? (He must not, because you guys have told me so.)

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If God wants us to prove all things and to abstain from all appearances of evil, and that He is not the author of confusion in ALL churches of the saints, then why would God have crazy manifestations that edifies not the body of Christ at all? Discern that for why it is not of Him at all.

Nancy said:

Hello DNB,
I will never say someone is lying about these things. Just because I have not experienced them, and yes...do find the holy laughing and gyrating on the floor disturbing, who am I to question if God has not given this to some? My question would be: Why? for what purpose? Not my place to judge our bros and sisters as it is their personal experience.

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Since we are not to believe every spirit but test them, then it is our place to judge the pheneomenon as not of Him since God is not the author of confusion and since we are to abstain from all appearances of evil, God would not mimick a phenomenon that was in the world before Pentecost because He would call those sinners out of khundalini to come to the Son for life for why nothing in khundalini can be in Christianity.

Willie T said:

You do know "baptism" was widespread and popular (with several different religions) long before Jesus was born, don't you?

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All the more reason why the born again of the Spirit happens only at the time of our salvation at the calling of the gospel so we can avoid giving out another calling to believers and thus avoiding preaching another gospel, another Jesus, or another spirit to receive.

BTW, what is "normal prayer?" You do realize none of us here pray the way the Bible taught people to do?

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Normal prayer is praying in your native tongue so by knowing what you had prayed for, you can give the Father thanks in Jesus name for answers to prayers.

Willie T said:

The Book of Hosea begins with the command of God to Hosea, “Marry a prostitute!”

How do you "discern" that one?

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That command was to Hosea only, to symbolize how God will respond/relate to Israel playing the harlot.

marks said:

Whenever I see this discussion, I remember my younger sister telling me about her being "slain in the spirit" in a local Pentacostal church, and a pastor well known for his Pentacostal activity.

The thing is, my sister never was a Christian. She went there with my other sister, and to this day is not reborn, I'm so very sad to say!

So what happened that day?

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What happens to any other sinner whereby engaging a phenomenon by being at that place.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

I remember a church I had visited locally one time, had the pastor going around the room making sure everybody was a believer before they put the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in worship. Could it be that some were speaking in tongues with the church but were discovered later they were not believers? Can't say for sure, but it would not surprise me since that kind of tongues of gibberish nonsense was in the world before Pentecost cane with God's gift of tongues which is really a foreign language to speak unto foreign people in their native tongue ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 ).

That is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them because spirits do fall on sinners dramatically in other religions, the occults, and cults in Christianity.

Think about the One World Church that is coming during the great tribulation. Nobody can see how that can happen to bring all religions together, BUT if they all spoke in tongues that is just gibberish nonsense and they can all fall down or laugh uncontrollably by a phenomenon, that would unite them all as one, would it not? And yet we are called to come out of the world and away from those spirits and all appearances of evil to the Son for life and for continuing that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom.

So really. saved believers can be seen as committing spiritual fornication by going after these spirits thinking they are the Holy Spirit for a sign when they should be resting in Christ Jesus, in waiting for the Bridegroom. Makes me apply the foolish virgins parable to saved believers out to the market place seeking to be filled with the Spirit when those that are ready to go know they have been Spirit-filled since they were saved.

Willie T said:

The reason I asked Nancy if she knew (years of close friendship) people who did this laughing thing is because of our location here in Florida, we have more Christian activity going on here than anywhere else in America. Thus, many of us from our church were able to attend one of Rodney Howard Brown's services together.

The laughter thing happened. Many of my friends laughed, even though Sue and I felt nothing.

These are friends I had known for 10+ years. They were on fire for God, and had been for as long as I had known them, and are even more devoted to Him today.

How is satan supposed to work? Is it his aim to make people's faith in God even stronger? Is his goal to have them redouble their desire for God so that after experiencing some of these things you can't understand, that they are now twice as much in love with God?

This happened 25 years ago, and I still know most of them today. Many of them are absolute "God-Dynamos!" If that was supposed to draw them away from God, satan sure goofed. And they still remember that night as one of the most Godly experiences of their lives.

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Maybe the question should be, how does the spirit of the antichrist is supposed to work? By taking your eyes off of the Son in worship to chasing after them for a sign whereas the indwelling Holy Spirit would always keep the spotlight on the Son in worship.

Willie T said:

Yet you aren't allowing God to choose to let one group experience something unless EVERYONE experiences it?

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What I am saying is for us to prove all things and to abstain from all appearances of evil, the church cannot experience a phenomenon that was already in the world before Pentecost if God wishes to call those sinners out of the world to His Son in repentance.

If God is not the author of confusion as in ALL churches of the saints, then there can be no exception. 1 Corinthians 14:33

Willie T said:

You might want to do some actual research before you make yourself appear too foolish.
This came from Christianity Today: ALMOST 25 YEARS AGO
Vineyard Severs Ties with 'Toronto Blessing' Church

Leaders of the Anaheim, California- based Vineyard Association of Churches last month voted to sever ties with the controversial Airport Vineyard fellowship in Toronto. The split, however, may not be permanent.

John Wimber, international director of the charismatically oriented Vineyard movement, flew to Toronto on December 5 to announce to John Arnott and other senior staff of the Airport Vineyard that the American Vineyard Board and Council had decided at its annual meeting to cut the association's ties with the controversial Canadian church. The congregation has gained global attention for launching what has been called "The Toronto Blessing," a Christian renewal movement born in January 1994 (CT, Sept. 11, 1995, p. 23). The Vineyard Association worldwide has 546 member congregations.

Formal separation: In explaining the action, Wimber, in an interview with CHRISTIANITY TODAY, cited his earlier teachings that Vineyard churches must focus on "the main and plain things in Scripture." While in Toronto, Wimber was joined by Robert Fulton and Todd Hunter, two American colleagues, and by Gary Best, the Canadian Vineyard coordinator. The meeting lasted nearly three hours and ended with a request that the Airport Vineyard leaders review the association's decision, meet with Best, then respond to the American leaders the next day. However, two hours later, Arnott, author of the recently published "The Father's Blessing" (Creation House), wrote a brief letter saying that the Toronto staff had agreed with the move for formal separation.

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So basically you are saying that this below will never happen to believers and just go with the flow and be happy?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

We do not need to examine ourselves in the faith so we can keep receiving the Holy Spirit in hypocrisy for a sign?

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Makes one wonder how you can say who has departed from faith or not when believers are out to the market seeking to be filled when the Bridegroom comes. I think you know what happens after that.