Man, stop trying out your bigotry on me. No one including you will ever be guiltless before the Holy God the Judge of all. And stop your by now conscious misinterpretation of the word 'profane'. You cannot fool God though you may fool fools-a-plenty around.
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Man, stop trying out your bigotry on me. No one including you will ever be guiltless before the Holy God the Judge of all. And stop your by now conscious misinterpretation of the word 'profane'. You cannot fool God though you may fool fools-a-plenty around.
Why would you observe Sabbath only on one day of the week? We can enter Sabbath rest every day. Sabbath rest for us is not a period of time, it's a heart condition.
To 'profane' literally means to 'apply publicly'. So the priests only did their job -- for which Jesus commended them and did not condemn them for, but DEFENDED them in, over against the Pharisees the hypocrites and vipers. Nowadays every flop theologian to excuse his misdemeanour completely malappropriates the term.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world...…… 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The Lord will not impute the sin of profaning the sabbath day on us for we believe God that He is with us always for why we are guiltless as He is able to make us stand apart from the deeds of the law from the necessity to keep the sabbath day.
How do you keep the sabbath day?
Do you keep it the way the saints n the O.T. had kept it?
Did you know the saints in the O.T. were required to stone Jewish sabbath day breakers as part of keeping the sabbath day?
So how do you keep the sabbath day now? If it is different from how the saints in the O.T. does it, how come there are no careful instructions not to stone believers for breaking the sabbath day in the N.T.?
Well, where I come from, your holiday won't last long, especially not with a heart condition.
You accuse the Lord Jesus of lying and claim forgiven sin that isn't sin at all, but made sin by you to BOAST GUILTLESSNESS AND DODGE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.
UTTER HYPOCRISY in other words.
quietthinker
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I'm not sure after reading the last several pages of the posts here, sharing your opinions back and forth, if this is an actual question or tongue and check, or being a bit "Cheeky" - LOL, but as the original poster (OP), and poster of a new thread that's titled "WHY I OBSERVE THE SABBATH", I will step in here after 6 pages of everyone else posting all your various technicalities and verse gymnastics of more and various opinions on this topic than I have ever heard before, how about a simple answer that doesn't even include a single verse that anyone can twist or reinterpret to fit their own doctrine.
You can read this in my other post.
Remember that reading scripture isn't the only way of being lead, as in my case several times and in others lives several times, and according to scripture that's one of the Holy Spirits big jobs. Sometimes the Holy Spirit leads us in the truth of the scriptures, apart from the scriptures being in our hands.
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12 years ago I was in church, and had just finished listening to our pastor preach on a topic that included a mention of the Sabbath, but as usual, it was the same assumption I had heard for 30 years at several other churches and pretty much assumed or believed by everyone in the church culture as far as I knew.
BUT for al those 30 years I couldn't see their conclusion being viable. I had always quietly questioned their "Theory", so as I was heading for the front door still mulling over the latest opinion, I heard this very emphatic sort of VOICE/ IMPRESSION speaking very clearly. I had heard this "Voice before and recognized it, as many of you have, telling me to begin observing the Sabbath that day, on Sunday, and to continue observing on Sunday, and He would show me how.
He didn't quote any verses or tell me why, but when you get told something like this and your whole body feels it, and your feeling massively overwhelmed, you do what your told. As time went by, observing the Sabbath became something I really looked forward to and eventually God called me to a study of observing the Sabbath for about 2 years. Everything he called me to was validated for me as the Holy Spirit lead me through the study.
Today I feel like a completed Christian, as I observe the Sabbath from my heart, as I live everything else for Christ.
This isn't a work I do or an act of legalism, or rule keeping, but an act of love and obedience to a God and Savior who deserves ,for me, everything I can do to honor Him.
In all that you do, do to the honor of God.
God bless everyone here.
My name is OLIGOS
Holiday? You aren't getting what I am saying. Sabbath rest isn't about taking a holiday. It's resting in Christ no matter your circumstances.
Preacher4Truth
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Interesting. You heard a voice, admit that nothing about it was biblical, had lots of subjective feelings, still no Scripture, a few more feelings, some magic and you made yourself into a completed Christian?
Nope. Sorry. None of it is true. It is not we ourselves, mystical voices, feelings that complete us, it is Christ alone and being in Christ. Colossians 2:10; Romans 8:26-30; Ephesians 3:19; Ephesians 1.
You're preaching a false intangible "gospel" that leads away from Scripture and Christ into some mystical subjective experience, a voice, and feelings that others must also have to be a "completed" Christian. It is easy to see right through your false message, and it doesn't glorify Christ at all, John 16:14 it glorifies you. This is just one way of determining your message is false.
Explain how His disciples were guiltless then of whom He was defending against the Pharisees for in Matthew 12:1-7?
Feel free to state it then, but I believe I have explained how Jesus is our rest by that scriptural reference of Matthew 11:28-30.
I can believe you had that experience but I caution you because the scripture says not to believe every spirit, but test them. If that voice goes against scripture, then don't listen.
The point of contention I see is that you say your are complete in Christ for observing the sabbath. Then read what is all involved for that completness in Christ.
Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
It is Christ and His righteousness being in us is how and why we are complete in Christ to rest in Him. What about the law of Moses?
Acts 13:8 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Then we have this about not bothering the Gentiles to keep the law of Moses.
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
No law of Moses. No keeping of the sabbath day for the early Gentile believers since they were not Jews to keep the sabbath day.
And that is the one thing missing out of the epistles to the N.T. Churches and that is to teach Gentiles to keep the sabbath day and yet we have scripture that reproves such teaching because we are not to judge a brother if they regard the sabbath day or not regard the sabbath day because we are the Lord's.
Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
And that reference above was after that reference for how we are complete in Christ. Go figure. So that voice... always test it by the scripture.
Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Truth
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Yes I am aware to what Scripture reads, But, It was Gentiles that scourged and then nailed Him to the Cross, and the Religious Leader's that encouraged the small group of Jews outside of the Praetorium, were Roman Appointed Priest's in fear of losing their place!
Preacher4Truth
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Of course, yet the Holy Spirit said the Jews killed him. The appointed priests were, well, Jewish so your point is moot.
Yet God held ALL ISRAEL accountable for the murder of Christ, as stated by the Holy Spirit through Peter and Stephen in the book of Acts. God did not even included Pontius Pilate in that indictment. And according to Scripture Pilate tried to have Christ released several times, but succumbed to the Jewish rabble in the end. You should read the authentic Acts of Pilate.
At the same time, God had already planned to use the hatred of the Jews to bring the Lamb of God to the cross of Calvary.
My friend I am surprised how you analyze my faith as so complicated, when I live a very simple life of a 76 year old man totally dedicated to the plans of my Lord for my life, as a loving servant who awaits plans for the next season of my life that God is beginning to call me too.
I appreciate your cautions that were considered many decades ago.
I am aware of satan appearing as an "Angel of light", and am dully cautious in my steps I take as a believer.
Your warnings I have shared with others many times, and own them in my own heart.
Thank you for caring so much and are so confident in your faith, to not only warn me, but do it lovingly.
In all my love as a true brother in Christ
My name is OLIGOS
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Preacher4Truth
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Don't be hoodwinked by one on here talking of his visions, feelings, mysticism, voices, who takes away the sufficiency of Christ by his experiences. Listen to this, it will bless the elect because Christ and Christ alone completes us:
The Sufficiency of Christ
The Sufficiency of Christ
Truth
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Ok, here is where I disagree, you are labeling all Hebrews as haltered filled Jews!
Everyone our Savior healed for the most part were Hebrew's Five thousand Hebrews followed Him, as He taught, and He fed Them, their were Myriads of Hebrews that had excepted His Gift, and until the house of Cornelis, I believe it was Hebrews that believed!
I know that the Scripture states "Jews" but if you consider that this word "Jews" is referring to the Pharisees, and not all Hebrew's as a LUMP!
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