The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

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amadeus

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Have I not been using scripture citing warnings and discernments regarding spirits of the antichrist and about the real indwelling Holy Ghost in this thread for judgment to come on the "holy laughter" movement & others like it where they preach receiving what they assume is another "Holy Spirit" to get that sign or wonder by??

You can only defend it by explaining why the scripture does not apply and explain what that scripture is actually warning us about as well as why that is not the spirit of the antichrist, but you can't do that, can you, because scripture reproves it.
You still miss my whole point! Repeating won't help. That lowest room thing...
 

Enow

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John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Seems reversed blessed are those who have seen...

yet the topic is seeing with two eyes things manifested literally ...things that take days to wash off in the shower. I’m sorry and hate not agreeing as you and Amadeus are friends. But how is it again people are judged by their experiences when not having them and they become “little people with stunted vision” instead of “blessed are they that have not seen, yet have believed.”

Then there is this one;

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I can see how chasing after seducing spirits and thus drinking from another fountain can be seen as committing spiritual fornication that a believer needs to repent of before the Bridegroom comes.
 

amadeus

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So basically anything before Pentecost that was evil, it doesn't count when you find it in Christianity? I have to disagree strongly with what you are trying to rationalize from your quote. You can't call what was evil before Pentecost "good".
You still don't understand what I am saying. Only God gives the increase!
 

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Part of what God is doing here on planet Earth is checking how people are reacting to other people when those others seem to have gotten more or better or different than them. Reacting the right way when a surge in our own flesh presses us to be jealous or angry or oppressive is what Apostle Paul means by charity/love in I Corinthians chapter 13.

the consensus seems to be jealousy. Jesus Christ said he only does what he sees the Father doing. What was the Father doing if not raising the dead Spiritually. Which is greater ...to see a man raised from the dead physically or to see a man raised from the dead Spiritually? Which is greater to physically cast out devils or to Spiritually cast out devils? which is greater to heal someone physically, or for them to be healed Spiritually? Which is greater ...to not see yet still believe. Or to see and therefore believe? Mercy, grace, forgiveness, all the Spiritual blessings in Christ...

what do experiences amount to? A greater status? Charity or better yet perfect love is when that which is in part(partial) is done away ...if there is anything to be more jealous of, to covet more it would be this. So again, what experiences are greater than all the promises in Him being Yes?
 

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With this I understand well why friend @Episkopos sometimes refuses to begin to try to clarify because too many things are different that simple or even any communication is impossible. I will try one more time.

Read II Thessalonians again especially verse 10 about the "love of truth". It is because of this that delusion is sent.
If you understand that maybe you will begin to see something good!


The vessel leaks because the Holy Spirit which could seal it is spread too thin. Plenty of flesh, but little Life giving Spirit. Imbalance will do this.

This is an overwhelming amount on your part. I could answer every question and every difference but your whole response is, if you'll pardon the expression, 'out of wack'. Until you are able to go the lowest room and let Him lift you up again... any effort on my
part would not be received anyway primarily probably because the verse 10 thing I mentioned above. I may not be completely right but you are so far off we cannot really discuss it. I noticed this before when I read a few of your posts and then purposely avoided responding to you until God pressed me. He is not pressing at the moment. Only God gives the increase!

We agree to disagree as we leave each other to God. Other believers have read the scripture and thanks to Him, they are discerning that movement as not of Him at all.

I am not a leaky vessel but always Spirit-filled as a testimony from God so I can tell others that Jesus is My Savior because I am saved. Matthew 9:17
 

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Who said that I did not?

The Bible said because the Holy Spirit will not give the gift of interpretation to the same person speaking in tongues. Too convenient otherwise. It would be the same as I have no need of any one else cause I can speak in tongues and interpret. It is never for private use and here is why.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Notice only one drink of the One Spirit that we are all suppose to speak the same thing and thus the same judgment? There are more verses.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

So tongues cannot be for private use for why believers are reading between the lines in chapter 14 as if Paul was exalting the gift of tongues over prophesy when he was not at all. Chapter 12 sets the precedent for understanding 14 and not the way modern day tongue speakers apply it.
 

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Creflo Dollar and Benny Hinn are not the sum total of Christianity and they are not Jesus or the Holy Spirit. My Christianity was formed out of the testimony of hundreds of believers, not two.
I have no idea what you are talking about?
You disagree with me comparing this delirium and false worship, with the antics and clownish behaviour of Benny Hinn & Creflo Dollar?
 

amadeus

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How about we do this instead.

What have you discerned supernaturally that is not of Him at all? And how did you discern that?

Now if you say you have not done anything like that at all, then you are saying you do not test the spirits at all but believe every spirit to be of God then, right? Can you see my concern for you, brother?

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
I thank you for your concern, but your concerns are in the wrong place for the wrong reasons. We all need prayer and at times an encouraging or correcting word. You, however, don't even know where I am but nonetheless presume that I am wrong while you are right on every point. There are too many points standing on top of other ones to sort out. God gives the increase!
 
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Why should we not, for others, leave it in God's hands? Don't you believe He is able to handle it for Himself? Yes, He may use a man, but how would we know that a man is not himself misled, unless we in the Spirit of God, as His sheep hear His voice? If we don't then it is time to remain silent for then we are women in the church!

For ourselves, if it makes a difference, we must decide, but again are we in touch with God even more especially regarding our own decisions and actions? Or are we trying to figure it all out, or are we simply following the lead of some man or some group's declaration?
That's a cop-out. You sound feeble, indecisive and unable to discern right from wrong, truth from falsehood, or the Holy Spirit from devil spirits.
That amadeus, is all that you have declared by your comments. Turning God's people into a bunch of uncertain and meek cowards and weaklings.
Again, if you don't have the discernment or zeal to call a spade, a spade, then I will, in the name of God.
 

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the consensus seems to be jealousy. Jesus Christ said he only does what he sees the Father doing. What was the Father doing if not raising the dead Spiritually. Which is greater ...to see a man raised from the dead physically or to see a man raised from the dead Spiritually? Which is greater to physically cast out devils or to Spiritually cast out devils? which is greater to heal someone physically, or for them to be healed Spiritually? Which is greater ...to not see yet still believe. Or to see and therefore believe? Mercy, grace, forgiveness, all the Spiritual blessings in Christ...

what do experiences amount to? A greater status? Charity or better yet perfect love is when that which is in part(partial) is done away ...if there is anything to be more jealous of, to covet more it would be this. So again, what experiences are greater than all the promises in Him being Yes?
Part of the problem I guess is even in understanding what "greater" means to God. It means something to us certainly but to God? To God which was the greater difficulty, healing the man's physical ailment or forgiving his sins? To Him there was really no difference in difficulty. For your or me...? Maybe this is what you are also saying?
 
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I thank you for your concern, but your concerns are in the wrong place for the wrong reasons. We all need prayer and at times an encouraging or correcting word. You, however, don't even know where I am but nonetheless presume that I am wrong while you are right on every point. There are too many points standing on top of other ones to sort out. God gives the increase!

Was it not done by the scripture? That is the only way we can grow in our relationship with the Lord.

2 Timothy 3:3 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
 

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It seems to me that you simply don't understand. You have learned or been taught or indoctrinated to a certain context as men see contexts and are unable to hear what the Spirit is saying. So not understanding you presume that I am in error. I do not claim infallibility for I also am a man, but I do know some things that I did not learn in school or from any man. There are times when God puts the words in my mouth. Doubt it if you think you must, but be careful about assuming your understanding is absolute!
On this issue, my understanding is absolute Amadeus. Do i sound arrogant or audacious?
This is elementary, even a novice can tell the difference. @charity put it very well, 'it's obscene!'.
We are offended by it, and we find the other people on this thread, like yourself, who are too naive or complacent to denounce it, to be sounding extremely incompetent and foolish, and verging on heretical.
 

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That's a cop-out. You sound feeble, indecisive and unable to discern right from wrong, truth from falsehood, or the Holy Spirit from devil spirits.
That amadeus, is all that you have declared by your comments. Turning God's people into a bunch of uncertain and meek cowards and weaklings.
Again, if you don't have the discernment or zeal to call a spade, a spade, then I will, in the name of God.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
 
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DNB

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Not true. I was in a church in the UK for 10 years that experienced revival for 30 years. At no time was it knocked off or exploited or corrupted by deceptive, misguided and avaricious people. It kept on the straight and narrow because it had seven Elders that were in touch with God and kept things in order. In the 10 years I was there it was only out of order five times. That is five times out of 1,500 meetings.
Again, i have no idea as to what you are talking about?
Is revival part of the giggles or hysteria movement? Does revival assume charismatics? Revival to me is Wesley & Whitfield?
Either way, let's get something straight, the fact that you don't see the demonic source and evil behind these practices, does not give you credibility in discerning what occurred in the Church that you attended. As to whether it was 'healthy' or not.
I'm very serious about that comment. I do not take your word for what you think are 'Elders in touch with God'.
I do not trust your judgement.
 

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2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Enow, it's really not easy, especially considering what those videos showed.
It's really not easy to refrain from going into rebuke mode.
It's almost like this post that you started is really beginning to separate the sheep from the goats right now, the visible Church from the invisible?
 

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But how is it again people are judged by their experiences when not having them and they become “little people with stunted vision” instead of “blessed are they that have not seen, yet have believed.”

I am not going to argue. All I was trying to get across was... they have thrown the baby out with the bath water.

Neither Wille, Amadeus or myself were saying that there was no 'flesh' mixed in..there was...anyone would have to be blind not to see it.

Whenever God is at work..guess what, there is the Devil too right in the midst.

The leadership allowed it to get right out of hand.

<quote> But how is it again people are judged by their experiences when not having them and they become “little people with stunted vision” < >

Well that is a twist!

It's not a case of 'not having them' these people believe that everything stopped with the apostles ...these people don't want them, and most probably if God even tried to show them something in the Spirit realm, they would no doubt 'cross themselves' wave the garlic, and rebuke the devil!! :(
 

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God never spoke to you Helen, nor did you see angels, it all sounds like complete nonsense. Straight out of the Benny Hinn book of false visions and prophecies.
You need to start taking God more seriously, and stop mocking him with these meaningless and unedifying epiphanies and noises, that you claim that you're seeing and hearing.
You give license to other religions to mock Christians, with this useless nonsense.

And Who died and made you King?

You are speaking NOT against me...but against GOD Himself.
Take it up with Him, not me.
You should be shaking in your boots.
 
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That's a cop-out. You sound feeble, indecisive and unable to discern right from wrong, truth from falsehood, or the Holy Spirit from devil spirits.
That amadeus, is all that you have declared by your comments. Turning God's people into a bunch of uncertain and meek cowards and weaklings.
Again, if you don't have the discernment or zeal to call a spade, a spade, then I will, in the name of God.

Do you read any of you own posts?

Amadeus always answers like a polite gentleman, while make yourself look like a foolish little boy in the playground sticking his tongue out .
And now, when you can't prove you dogmatic arguments , you revert to THIS!! Name calling!!

What a big brave boy you are.
Hope you go to bed tonight really proud of yourself.
 

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And Who died and made you King?

You are speaking NOT against me...but against GOD Himself.
Take it up with Him, not me.
You should be shaking in your boots.
I would think that it's the other way around, Helen.
You're the one claiming that God is sending angels into your room, without them saying or doing a thing?
Or, that He responded to your 'why', with a 'because'?
Again Helen, I'm not the one defaming God, I'm respecting Him.
Whereas you, on the other hand, are making Him out to be frivolous and erratic by sending you some meaningless and useless 'hallucinations'.

How can I go to a non-believer right now, and say, you should become a Christian, for I know someone who saw 4 angels in her room, and she didn't even blink. Aren't God and Jesus incredible?