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DNB

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Do you read any of you own posts?

Amadeus always answers like a polite gentleman, while make yourself look like a foolish little boy in the playground sticking his tongue out .
And now, when you can't prove you dogmatic arguments , you revert to THIS!! Name calling!!

What a big brave boy you are.
Hope you go to bed tonight really proud of yourself.
Yes, I read my own posts, because I often have to check the spelling or grammar before I send them.
Yes, you're right, Amadeus is typically a gentleman, and very supportive to others.
I just feel that way too often, he endorses any frivolous whim that a 'believer' posts. And by doing so, I think that he encourages Christians to be way too mystical or radical in their understanding and theology.
So, I think he should put his foot down and say either 'yes' to this, and 'no' to that?
But, he's always, 'well, why not, how should we know?'
i think that that type of sentiment is a bad influence, for it's just not true, for we should know.
 
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Whereas you, on the other hand, are making Him out to be frivolous and erratic by sending you some meaningless and useless 'hallucinations'.

And you little man, are too pathetic for words.

You are not ever worthy of my time responding.

All you can do do is sneer at what you don't understand and are obviously afraid of.

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And you little man, are too pathetic for words.

You are not ever worthy of my time responding.

All you can do do is sneer at what you don't understand and are obviously afraid of.

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The problem is, is that your not giving a significance to what you witnessed, either what you heard or saw?
Willie brought up outrageous occurrences in the Bible, i.e. marrying prostitutes, walking around with a jug around one's neck, cooking over manure, etc... but, all these had a specific meaning behind them. God explained the message behind these antics, and all were edified who read the entire story, and all recognized the wisdom of God.
You have not offered the same.
I get impatient because i hear this all the time, it's like everybody wants to claim how blessed that they are because God is sending them visions and epiphanies. But, they don't realize how silly it actually makes God look, when there's no meaning behind these alleged manifestations.
 

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I have no idea what you are talking about?
You disagree with me comparing this delirium and false worship, with the antics and clownish behaviour of Benny Hinn & Creflo Dollar?
Not at all. We can all find fault with someone in the body of Christ but it is foolish to make them the sum total of our Christian knowledge and experience, rather than let these sorts of things go through to the keeper and search for others things that uplift and build.
 
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Can you? The scripture I apply is for every believer for edification and reproof and discernment with His help. You are not asking Him if they apply or not, are you? Ask Him today, brother. Give us the answer He gives you by the scripture as in rightly dividing the word of truth with His help.

A good answer for those who do not have an answer.
 

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The Holy Spirit hears from Jesus and speaks unto us from Jesus. So our response is TO the Bridegroom, not TO the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the Good Shepherd that guides us through the Holy Spirit in us. Jesus Christ is the Head of every believer and every church. He is the One that began a good work in us ( Philippians 1:6 ) being the author & finisher of our faith ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) as all the fruits of righteousness are by Jesus Christ ( Philippians 1:11 )

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So yes, the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth but Jesus Christ is the One leading us by the Holy Spirit in us. Truth.

As I said it is the Holy Spirit that leads us into all truth. You being pedantic does not change that.
 

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If it is the revival I think you are referring to, they were habitual drunkards that exchanged their works in the flesh to those seducing spirits. When it stopped happening, they went back to their alcohol. So no lives changed there. Just exchanged from drunkenness by liquor to seducing spirits and then back again. That's what happens when you put the emphasis on the phenomenon rather than preaching Jesus Christ & Him crucified.

What revival am I thinking of?
 

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Can you address those scripture to explain why it does not apply to that movement? How can you discern seducing spirits if we believe that spirit to be the Holy Spirit just because it makes us laugh? What part of "seducing" spirits don't you get for why it applies to that movement?

Your critical attitude does you no favours. First, tell me what you have seen personally of the happenings that have made you so jaundiced?
 

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As to be expected, a subject like this is very polarising. On one side you have those who see no problem to the Holy Spirit falling on people in a tangible way and leading them into supernatural experiences that gives them a sense of the presence of God.

On the other side, you have those who deny the supernatural in any shape or form and if it does happen then it is from Satan even if people have been set free from problems or healed from some sickness or disease. Most of these people are armchair critics who have never seen any of the supernatural happenings. They prefer to criticise from the sidelines based on what they have been taught is or is not kosher.

One supernatural experience I had when I was 36 years old. We were having a series of meetings at the church that was experiencing a revival and the preacher spoke about rejection. When he had finished speaking he asked people to come forward if they wanted prayer to be released from rejection.

I knew I had it because I was abandoned as a baby by my parents so I went forward for prayer. One of the Elders prayed for me and with no help from anyone, went flat on my back on a hard floor. I was not hurt in any shape or form. When I came too I tried to get up but I couldn't. There was a supernatural force holding me down. I tried several times to get up but could not so I gave in. I was down there for 30 minutes and during that time I could feel God operating on me removing the spirit of rejection. When I did eventually get up it was gone.

It is very hard for anyone to pull the wool over my eyes because I am autistic and we do not have emotions that need feeding and stimulating. I have to admit that I can sit in a meeting that is supposedly having a spiritual visitation and I sit there stone cold as it does not touch me for the simple reason it is manufactured by a few in the congregation. When the genuine does happen, then I am gobsmacked by it and cannot resist it.

Over my 66 years as a Christian, I have been exposed to all sorts of beliefs and denominational teaching and I give no allegiance to one in particular. All I am interested in is the real deal so I do not care who provides it as long as it is the real deal. I am old enough and ugly enough to know the real thing from the counterfeit and wise enough to differentiate between the two. So when people tell me I do not know what I am talking about my only response is that it means you know nothing at all what you are talking about.

What I talk about is always based on what I experience and have been taught. I am never an armchair critic. Unless I have personal experience I keep my mouth shut. And when you have been in a church for 10 years that was in revival as I have been, you tend to have seen it all so telling me that I don't know what I am talking about is like telling a fighter pilot he doesn't know how to fly a plane.

So unless you can produce some solid evidence, not just hearsay and conjecture, as far as I am concerned you are totally up the creek without a paddle and just pushing your own barrow because you have such a narrow definition of God that puts him in a box of your making and he is not allowed to get out of it as it contravenes your theology. In other words, God has to fit your theology rather than your theology fitting in with God.

In every move of God, there is ALWAYS the good and the bad but one does not if he/she has any common sense throw the baby out with the bathwater. You take the good and ignore the bad. That is what I have always done and that is why I have seen so much of God's power and glory in a tangible way as God knows that he has a receptive heart at any time he wants to reveal himself to me which he has done on numerous occasions.

Telling me that God does not appear supernaturally is like telling the Queen of England she does not have a palace.
 
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I know it well. It is one of our area's "Mega Churches." (And this picture is just the Worship Center.)
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Thanks for posting the memory. It provided me with warm memories of times past. In all my 77 years Pastor Jeff Parish is the only pastor I have ever encountered, where I always learned something new with each and every sermon. He is truly gifted.
 

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1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Watch this video in comparing what is happening in the churches and then compare it to the occult; namely Kundalini.


Note how bad the latter days is when these big names in ministry are supporting it.

On a par with:

 
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It is very hard for anyone to pull the wool over my eyes because I am autistic and we do not have emotions that need feeding and stimulating.
Interesting. My son has been teaching me about autism. He has a number of autistic employees employed in his factory, top engineers et al. He has been explaining to me how he has learned to communicate with them. They understand a different language, and he tells me that he has learned to communicate with them in the language they understand. They have all been model employees.

I tend to suspect that he may have had a little help from his wife, who is a prominent clinical psychologist, but he has found his achievement in working with these employees, most gratifying.
 
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Watching Heidi Baker stumble around drunk and laughing uncontrollably has always been disturbing.


Yes, joyful in the Lord for what He has done but do not see how that translates to intoxicated and in a stupor in the House of the Lord. Jesus came to the man legion and what was disturbing to others who witnessed was how Christ had the man who had previously been ”mad”, the man sat fully clothed and in his right mind. Paul also spoke of God’s giving the Spirit of love and a sound mind...then urges ...”be sober.”

What makes me wonder, is do people not realise some can emotionally soar on elation?
Being able to be elated to the point of drunkeness is not a spiritual gift, it is how some are made.

If a group come together and the Lords word and ways are not preached, it can become a hobby of getting ones emotional high for the day, week, month, year. And make no mistake, these people are having a good time. But if you have an alcohol party, or a cocaine binge or a marijuana time, what has God to do with this? When real life and difficulties come knocking at the door, the building built on Christs foundations will stand, but those built on elation and having a good time will fall.

I love praise, knowing I love God and He loves me and His people, but our walk is real and its challenges face to face hard.
Over time testing will come, and what is real will remain and the rest fall away. This is why Jesus said this

2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
John 15:2

There is no getting away from the Lord pruning and knowing who we are in Him.
We need our elation and praise in God, but it is not everything.

If we have no elation in Christ, do we know Him at all?
If we have elation but no walk, do we know Him at all?
 
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Do you read any of you own posts?

Amadeus always answers like a polite gentleman, while make yourself look like a foolish little boy in the playground sticking his tongue out .
And now, when you can't prove you dogmatic arguments , you revert to THIS!! Name calling!!

What a big brave boy you are.
Hope you go to bed tonight really proud of yourself.

What's the difference between him saying someone sounds feeble, indecisive and unable to discern and you saying "little people with stunted vision?" Isn't the difference just that no one called you out for your name calling? And now you've said this: "And you little man, are too pathetic for words."

You constantly call others on what you do yourself.
 
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On a par with:


If God himself were to tell me that what went on in that video was 'of the Holy Spirit', I would become a 'Pologramist'.
And before anyone asks, Pologramism is an undiscoverable religion to which I alone have been given the key, as a safeguard against a time of need.
At which time I would become its leader and sole member.
Its objective would be to pull the plonkers of all followers of Benny Hinn and, at a time of which no man, and not even I, would know, would be to make war against Benny Hinn, and cast him into the ‘Pitiless Bottom’ from whence he came.:rolleyes::eek::D;)
 
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Watched the video?

Scripture did say this;

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Having been to a place where it had occurred a week earlier and in that service I was in, only one out of all those people that came forward laughed uncontrollably, I felt a hand outside of me pushing me to go forward when there was no one behind me for several rows to do that.

Anyway, per the scripture in 1 John 4:1-4, He led me to discern that experience as the spirit of the antichrist that was outside of me that had pushed me to go forward.

I had received a warning from the Lord a week prior where after reading from the Upper Room or the daily Bread. I was to decide that day to serve the Lord Jesus Christ or something else in His name. I said out loud, "You, of course" but that sense of urgency remained. and so I prayed that He would help me to do it and I had received His peace then. After He helped me to discern that movement as not of Him, it was later when I connected His warning to that event. So, I kind of felt like a duh but I am grateful to Jesus Christ being my Good Shepherd in keeping me for "falling" for that and being a disciple of that movement in promoting it in seeking the glory of that movement to others.

Jesus is helping me to serve Him as His disciple by preaching no other calling, no other Jesus or Holy Spirit to receive, but preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That is how we are to serve Him as His disciples by testifying of the Son in seeking His glory.

So I strongly advise you never to go there because you will find the phenomenon not a mind thing but a reality thing by a supernatural phenomenon and since scripture warned us of it and even the apostle John for why we are to test the spirits, we should take heed.

I understand your point and I know how faking it to join the crowd can be a temptation too, but it is a real phenomenon. Just like tongues without interpretation which is assumed for private use gained by receiving what they believe was the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. So beware, brother.

Using labels like "spirit of the anti-christ" is not a good idea. Laughing is not an evil act, it does not hurt people. Laughing for no apparent reason is something to wonder about, that something is not adding up. Laughter is about absurdity, elation, being relaxed and happy. It is a human condition like crying, or speaking or sleeping.

What does matter is what is the subject, the focus, the context, the meaning and how are people using the experience.
If you put me in a room of laughing people, I will probably laugh as well. I have seen whole groups of people laughing with Kenneth Hagin and his theology that you do not need to repent of sin and get right with God, just live as if you are a child of God with no need to consider consequences. That belief is no laughing matter, but laughing along with him could in itself be regard as sin.

Before the King of Kings, laughing with a self confessed sinner who does not repent, confess or deal with their sin, or walk the straight path.
There is something ironic here. The idea a sinner can flout Gods ways, be in rebellion and claim for themselves miraculous powers and authority is enough to make me roll about laughing at just the total stupidity of the idea, and to the audience, their minds probably find it so absurd it is funny. Unfortunately it is something that should generate weeping and wailing in sack cloth and ashes, but for these folk, to say such a thing would be called "anti-Christ".

The Lord said He would bring a delusion on people.

11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thess 2:11-12

Put these two things together, wickedness and praise of God. Sadly this is not slander or make believe, but these folk will aggressively defend their behaviour suggesting being sorrowful and repentant for sin is condemnation of the enemy, while praise and elation is Gods blessing.
If you want to define dysfunctional individuals who are dangerous this is it, who want the appearance of being loving and kind but without the reality.
 
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I thank you for your concern, but your concerns are in the wrong place for the wrong reasons. We all need prayer and at times an encouraging or correcting word. You, however, don't even know where I am but nonetheless presume that I am wrong while you are right on every point. There are too many points standing on top of other ones to sort out. God gives the increase!

Just to be clear on what you are doing so readers can understand; you do not like how we are reproving what you are involved in as a work of darkness by the scripture and so you want us to stop judging you for what you are involved in. That is not a defense nor an answer you should be giving.

You should be addressing the scripture by rightly dividing the word of truth to prove you are not involved in a work of darkness that the scripture reproves it as such, but you can't do that.

And you cannot win an argument by silencing those in this discussion that reprove that movement as not of Him.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
 

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Part of the problem I guess is even in understanding what "greater" means to God. It means something to us certainly but to God? To God which was the greater difficulty, healing the man's physical ailment or forgiving his sins? To Him there was really no difference in difficulty. For your or me...? Maybe this is what you are also saying?

Ever considered that believers that proclaim all these wonderful works in His name can still be in iniquity? Jesus points it out by how they fall. That is how we can know when one is in iniquity.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 

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Not at all. We can all find fault with someone in the body of Christ but it is foolish to make them the sum total of our Christian knowledge and experience, rather than let these sorts of things go through to the keeper and search for others things that uplift and build.
This was the OP, so we're calling it for what it is, and warning accordingly.
Unfortunately, not all on this forum see it the same way, and therefore, we are forced to express our opinions much more emphatically and vehemently.
 

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Enow, it's really not easy, especially considering what those videos showed.
It's really not easy to refrain from going into rebuke mode.
It's almost like this post that you started is really beginning to separate the sheep from the goats right now, the visible Church from the invisible?

I understand, but there is a danger when belittling any poster.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Stick to the issue regardless of the poster not liking how we are reproving what he or she is involved in as a work of darkness by the scripture or by a video. The mindsent we are to have is patience and meekness in the hope that God is peradventuring to recover them from this nsare of the devil.

If we were in a church, then after being reproved privately, then with 2 or 3 witnesses to confirm the word, and then still unrepentant, then before the whole church as the church is all supposed to say the same thing and the same judgment ( 1 Corinthians 1:9-10 ) to excommunicate the unrepentant brother.

Matthew 7:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

But we can't do that in a forum. It can only serve as an outreach ministry and we need His help to avoid biting and devouring one another, especially when someone is caught lying about how they speak in tongues as if they can interpret their own tongues which they cannot by the scripture; 1 Corinthians 12:7-14 That would be the same as saying "I have no need of you" to the body of Christ because they can do it all when scripture says the Holy Spirit divides it severally as He wills.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many........19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

So if you come across anyone that says they speak in tongues and interpret that tongue they just spoken, scripture proves they are lying. Either they know that foreign language or they are deceiving themselves into thinking they are interpreting that tongue by how Joyce Meyers believes how she interpret tongues on others by getting the "gist" or the "feeling" of what is said. Another church thought they had the actual God's gift of tongues with interpretation, and hired a linguist to record it and translate it to prove it, but find that it was just gibberish nonsense and they were winging the interpretation like Joyce Meyers was. So it is hard to outright call someone a liar when they are deceived themselves, but when someone else as a foreigner says that the tongue speakers are interpreting their own tongue, scripture proves they know that tongue then, as they cannot be speaking and interpreting that tongue by the Holy Spirit. The practice in church is to have 2 or 3 speak in tongues and another not of the 3 to interpret which is the same method for prophesying.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

So when someone says they pray in tongues and name the languages they are praying in as if they do not know the languages themselves, it cannot true by the scripture. They may know the languages and are outright lying about not knowing the language or they are guessing that they are speaking in those languages and don't know that it is just gibberish nonsense. As it is, we can judge the tongue as not of Him, but judging the person is to be avoided in the forum since they know not what they do, either way.