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Of course, yet the Holy Spirit said the Jews killed him. The appointed priests were, well, Jewish so your point is moot.

Yes! and during WWII, many people sided with the Germans, called Collaborators, doing Germans bidding, as with many periods in History, including the Faith, there are Compromisers.
 

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One day you will represent Jesus Christ in you for why you are guiltless for profaning the sabbath.

I do not officially by church ordination or whatever outside SCRIPTURE <profane>, which is, serve, the Congregation on and through the Sabbath, the Seventh Day of the week the Lord of the Sabbath FOR THAT PURPOSE PROVIDED HIS PEOPLE WITH. But may the Lord give that I 'profane' the Sabbath through and with SCRIPTURE, which He, has been giving me opportunity and privilege and time and every means necessary to do, for just about all my life, for which GRACE from the Lord God, may I thank Him and honour His Name, "THE SON, BY WHOM GOD IN THESE LAST DAYS THUS CONCERNING the Seventh Day had SPOKEN" through "BETTER PROMISES" and better comforts and helps of the "BETTER AGE-DISPENSATION- MINISTRATION" in the present Christ-Age.

I am NOT <<guiltless for profaning the sabbath>>-- I am GUILTY for not profaning it enough and not well enough!
 

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Interesting. You heard a voice, admit that nothing about it was biblical, had lots of subjective feelings, still no Scripture, a few more feelings, some magic and you made yourself into a completed Christian?

Nope. Sorry. None of it is true. It is not we ourselves, mystical voices, feelings that complete us, it is Christ alone and being in Christ. Colossians 2:10; Romans 8:26-30; Ephesians 3:19; Ephesians 1.

You're preaching a false intangible "gospel" that leads away from Scripture and Christ into some mystical subjective experience, a voice, and feelings that others must also have to be a "completed" Christian. It is easy to see right through your false message, and it doesn't glorify Christ at all, John 16:14 it glorifies you. This is just one way of determining your message is false.

Thank God for your post
 

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Explain how His disciples were guiltless then of whom He was defending against the Pharisees for in Matthew 12:1-7?
Post #123 for one... Jesus, leading his disciples through the cornfields ON THE SABBATH DAY specific, letting them eat off another man's harvest, TALKING to them, ALL ALONG exercised Old Testament 'human rights regulations' whereby GOD IS BEING SERVED AND WORSHIPPED. In other words, Jesus and his disciples were guiltless because they OBEYED the Law and Purpose and the JOYOUS fulfilment of "the Sabbath : OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" WITH HIM THE CENTRE AND THE VERY OBJECT OF WORSHIP BY HIS VERY OWN FOLLOWERS. The Sabbath of the Bible never had any purpose, value or virtue in itself or of its own. The Sabbath of ALL the Scriptures "IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD, YOUR, GOD"-- nothing else, different, less, or, more!
 

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My friend I am surprised how you analyze my faith as so complicated, when I live a very simple life of a 76 year old man totally dedicated to the plans of my Lord for my life, as a loving servant who awaits plans for the next season of my life that God is beginning to call me too.
I appreciate your cautions that were considered many decades ago.
I am aware of satan appearing as an "Angel of light", and am dully cautious in my steps I take as a believer.

Your warnings I have shared with others many times, and own them in my own heart.

Thank you for caring so much and are so confident in your faith, to not only warn me, but do it lovingly.

In all my love as a true brother in Christ
My name is OLIGOS

You speak against Scripture.
 

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And that is the one thing missing out of the epistles to the N.T. Churches and that is to teach Gentiles to keep the sabbath day and yet we have scripture that reproves such teaching because we are not to judge a brother if they regard the sabbath day or not regard the sabbath day because we are the Lord's.

I won't believe you like I won't believe Oligos. Not one bit! At least Oligos is honest to say he does not regard Scripture to believe the things he believes. But you garble and wangle and wrangle and contort and covertly corrupt and confuse and confute and abuse Scripture for your cowardly egg-dancing about the Sabbath.
 

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Don't be hoodwinked by one on here talking of his visions, feelings, mysticism, voices, who takes away the sufficiency of Christ by his experiences. Listen to this, it will bless the elect because Christ and Christ alone completes us:

I followed your indicator. I could not help to see a parallel between <one on here talking> and another one on there talking the same language, the one on here talking his own <experiences>, the other one on there talking the same <experience> only collectively....
<<Father, we thank You for a wonderful day. We thank You for the consistency of Your truth. We thank You for the Word which opens up our understanding to all things. We’re so unendingly thrilled at the glorious truth of Scripture that comes clear and unmistakable to us. We thank You that we’re beyond the shadows, and the signs, and the symbols. We live in the reality of rest. We have rested forever from works righteousness, efforts at self-salvation. .. We have entered into the rest of the gospel. We have a taste of paradise even now in this rest, and one day we’ll enter into that glory of heavenly paradise. But You’ve given us a taste of it now. Every day for us is a Sabbath because every day we rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ. We give Him all the praise. Amen.>>

There is NO difference between the someone on here's <Sabbath> and that someone other over there's <Sabbath> and the universal church everywhere's. The 75 years old over here's is just not so subtle and academically refined, but it's the same thing from beginnings to ending based on, built on and filled in with the exact same self acclamation and vacuousness.
 

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You will find that the Sabbath was given to man in Eden. It was not specific to Israel. It was reiterated to Israel as was don't murder, don't bear false witness and the other Commandments transcribed by the finger of God at Sinai.
Sorry but I do not see the Sabbath being given to man in Eden. What I do see is God resting on the seventh day. No mention is made that Adam and Eve were to observe it. As for the other commandments, some of them wouldn't have applied in Eden. Could they have committed adultery -- if we want to believe some of the Jewish stories perhaps since they say Eve had sex with a demon and so did Adam. Could they have stolen anything? Coveted anything? God gave them dominion over everything they could see.

They were a few commandments, none of which are included in the Decalogue.

You need to read between the lines if you want context and accuracy which I'm sure you want.
When I believe I may be reading between the lines, I search to see if others before me had the same idea. Once it occurred to me there were probably 70 trees in Eden. I checked some sources and discovered I wasn't the first to think that. It was part of the Jewish tradition. I also refer to history at times.

I cannot accept that there were commandments necessary for Gentile Christians that were not included in that list because the text itself prevents such a reading. I also know the early church had differing customs regarding Saturdays and Sundays. There was no clear tradition regarding it.

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

The list is of the "necessary things" and the Apostles laid no other burden on the Gentile Christians. If you want to observe Saturdays or Sundays, that's fine; and you may find it useful -- but it is not a binding commandment according to Acts -- which agrees with Paul who said not to make a fuss over what day if any people kept. I really don't see why people make a fuss over this issue.

According to the logic you've used it follows we could say its ok to covet or bear false witness etc because it is not mentioned specifically in the text you referred to.
There are many other "commandments" Christians should keep, not because God commands it but because our government has made laws. Thus the Apostles did not need to forbid stealing since Roman law already dealt with that.

While I would not recommend coveting to anyone, I also would tell my fellow Christians they're sinning if they do. I'd tell them they're setting themselves to be unhappy by coveting, but I would look at them as sinners -- I would trust the Holy Spirit to steer them out of it. As for bearing false witness, I will leave that up to the legal authorities to enforce the laws on the books. I don't need to be told that by a minister since the government already has it covered. I would also trust the Holy Spirit to inform my fellow Christians that they were not obeying the Golden Rule if they bear false witness.
 

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I am not promoting sin, I am saying that even the most well intending and disciplined Christians, sin. Thus, if that is the case, that people truly abhor sin, those do not count and monitor their sins. But again, try to catch them, understand the error, and desist.
But does everyone ask casually who's counting? You seemed very casual about it to me. I will not make claims about myself; but I will say there are some members here I would guess do not sin every day. Some may not have sinned in months or even years.

I have found myself one of the best ways to avoid sinning is to avoid getting myself into situations where I could be tempted to sin.
 

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So...you like Deuteronomy? Okay try this on for size;
Deut18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Guess who Moses was speaking of????
I love Deuteronomy. That passage says nothing about worshiping either Moses or the prophet like unto him as Lord. You are confused. You were talking about idol worship because the Jews do not worship Jesus as Lord.

Do you believe the Jews worship Moses as their Lord? That they ought to switch to worshiping Jesus as Lord? Remember what you wrote?

Jews who do not worship Jesus as Lord are observing idol worship, no matter which day they observe.
 

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I do not officially by church ordination or whatever outside SCRIPTURE <profane>, which is, serve, the Congregation on and through the Sabbath, the Seventh Day of the week the Lord of the Sabbath FOR THAT PURPOSE PROVIDED HIS PEOPLE WITH. But may the Lord give that I 'profane' the Sabbath through and with SCRIPTURE, which He, has been giving me opportunity and privilege and time and every means necessary to do, for just about all my life, for which GRACE from the Lord God, may I thank Him and honour His Name, "THE SON, BY WHOM GOD IN THESE LAST DAYS THUS CONCERNING the Seventh Day had SPOKEN" through "BETTER PROMISES" and better comforts and helps of the "BETTER AGE-DISPENSATION- MINISTRATION" in the present Christ-Age.

I am NOT <<guiltless for profaning the sabbath>>-- I am GUILTY for not profaning it enough and not well enough!

As much emphasis you place on the sabbath day, we see no emphasis to teach that to Gentile believers. The one thing you need to wake up to is that you know how all the churches are in these latter days and yet the apostle John did not address that issue in any of the 7 churches in the Book of revelations to repent of or to hold fast specifically; and remember 5 churches needed to repent while 2 were good ones. No emphasis on keeping the sabbath day there. So as bad as it had gotten for those 5 churches, none of them were reproved for not keeping the sabbath day.
 

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I won't believe you like I won't believe Oligos. Not one bit! At least Oligos is honest to say he does not regard Scripture to believe the things he believes. But you garble and wangle and wrangle and contort and covertly corrupt and confuse and confute and abuse Scripture for your cowardly egg-dancing about the Sabbath.

The same can be said about your application of His words, brother. You do sometimes protest way too much for us to be the ones in error.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 

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As much emphasis you place on the sabbath day, we see no emphasis to teach that to Gentile believers. The one thing you need to wake up to is that you know how all the churches are in these latter days and yet the apostle John did not address that issue in any of the 7 churches in the Book of revelations to repent of or to hold fast specifically; and remember 5 churches needed to repent while 2 were good ones. No emphasis on keeping the sabbath day there. So as bad as it had gotten for those 5 churches, none of them were reproved for not keeping the sabbath day.

Get it in your head: I DO NOT WRITE ABOUT ANYONE EXCEPT GOD'S "KEEPING MY GOD'S SABBATH".

And get it in your head THAT IS WHY <<we see no emphasis to teach the Sabbath .. to Gentile believers>> nor <<emphasis on keeping the sabbath day>> the way in which you in your blindness see it, and that THAT IS WHY the clearly recorded incidences in ALL the Bible of the People of God gathering together for worship on the Sabbath, are those number of times only, recorded, because, in ALL the Bible the Sabbath is sine prole sine qua non 'without issue ESSENTIAL condition and requirement' of worship of the ONLY AND UNCHANGEABLE LORD GOD CREATOR AND SAVIOUR FOR ALL TRUE BELIEVERS OF ALL TIMES AND ALL LANDS.

If any change in any way occurred, THE CHANGE WOULD HAVE STOOD WRITTEN ON EVERY PAGE OF ALL THE BIBLE.
 

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The same can be said about your application of His words, brother. You do sometimes protest way too much for us to be the ones in error.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

I may protest too much but your protests are scared hares pulled from your sweaty hat in cold perspiration of desperation.
 
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I love Deuteronomy. That passage says nothing about worshiping either Moses or the prophet like unto him as Lord. You are confused. You were talking about idol worship because the Jews do not worship Jesus as Lord.

Do you believe the Jews worship Moses as their Lord? That they ought to switch to worshiping Jesus as Lord? Remember what you wrote?
Jews without Jesus are doomed.
They have no access to heaven
They have no High Priest.
They have no sacrifice for sins.
They are doomed unless they bow to Jesus as Lord.
 

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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


ye shall find rest...at His feet. As the above consider Mary and Martha: Luke 10:38-42 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. [39] And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. [40] But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. [41] And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: (Labour and are heavy laden)[42] But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Encumbered 1. (n.) That which encumbers; a burden which impedes action, or renders it difficult and laborious; a clog; an impediment. See Incumbrance.

Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, surrounded as we are by such a vast cloud of witnesses, let us fling aside every encumbrance and the sin that so readily entangles our feet. And let us run with patient endurance the race that lies before us,
 

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Get it in your head: I DO NOT WRITE ABOUT ANYONE EXCEPT GOD'S "KEEPING MY GOD'S SABBATH".

And get it in your head THAT IS WHY <<we see no emphasis to teach the Sabbath .. to Gentile believers>> nor <<emphasis on keeping the sabbath day>> the way in which you in your blindness see it, and that THAT IS WHY the clearly recorded incidences in ALL the Bible of the People of God gathering together for worship on the Sabbath, are those number of times only, recorded, because, in ALL the Bible the Sabbath is sine prole sine qua non 'without issue ESSENTIAL condition and requirement' of worship of the ONLY AND UNCHANGEABLE LORD GOD CREATOR AND SAVIOUR FOR ALL TRUE BELIEVERS OF ALL TIMES AND ALL LANDS.

If any change in any way occurred, THE CHANGE WOULD HAVE STOOD WRITTEN ON EVERY PAGE OF ALL THE BIBLE.

If the Gentile sinners have been keeping the sabbath day like the Jews, then there would be no one breaking the sabbath day commandment. The fact that there are Gentile believers and the lack of emphasis on teaching them the law of Moses, finds your judgement as wanting.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.......... 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

No teaching them to observe nor keep the sabbath day here. They may refer to old times when Moses read on the sabbath day, but that is not the same thing as telling Gentiles to observe or keep the sabbath day.
 

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I may protest too much but your protests are scared hares pulled from your sweaty hat in cold perspiration of desperation.

Why would I be? I believe Jesus's words for why I am guiltless for profaning the sabbath day because He is with me always.

BTW, it would be considered a false witness to tell others you are a sabbath day keeper when no one can testify of themselves as one.

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? .....

You need two or three other witnesses to say that you are a sabbath day keeper.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

But when you speak of Jesus Christ and the Good News to men, that is the only way you can be a true witness, brother. FYI

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Something to think about regarding your ministry and service to Him, brother.
 

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No teaching them to observe nor keep the sabbath day here. They may refer to old times when Moses read on the sabbath day, but that is not the same thing as telling Gentiles to observe or keep the sabbath day.

I think they were saying, the gentiles aren't under the Law, so need need to make them try to keep it, however, keeping in mind that their Jewish neighbors have been raised on Moses, every week all their lives being taught these things . . . I think it's about not offending those with weaker faith.

Much love!