The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

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Enow

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I did not start this thread with the idea of condemning someone who I have never met based on what to me looked like something evil according to my own judgement!

Yes, God wants us to seek His face but it is not to found in videos about what we consider questionable practices. Rather we are to follow the instructions of Jesus via the Holy Spirit:

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

He only tells us to do two things first there. If those things are not first, we are wrong already no matter what else we are or are not doing.

By His grace and by His help, I condemn the works as evil. You are my brother, still. However, scripture does warn that if you do not depart from this iniquity, you are at risk of being left behind. You cannot walk in darkness as the world does, brother. No way.
 

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So said the flesh of man!

Correctly you speak of any people who attempt in their own courage and strength as they have done in establishing their own black and white rules, using the NT writings as a crutch in imitation of the mosaic law which never alone worked for Israel. Too many people still don't understand and still fight unwinnable spiritual battles by means of their own physical courage and strength instead of by the Spirit of God in them:

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Rom 8:13-14
That's fine Amadeus, then let's just let the Spirit of God be praised, and devil spirits be denounced and eradicated.
Would you know the difference if you saw either one?
 
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I guess you enjoy this kind of thing! Carry on if that is your choice, but don't be surprised!

Well brother.

I hope they are proud of this thread and what they created here.
I'm sure God has been thrilled with it.

The way to move this Site forward is to have many more such threads like this.... sensations wins the day ever time.
14 pages ...and 260 posts of what!!! o_O
 
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By His grace and by His help, I condemn the works as evil. You are my brother, still. However, scripture does warn that if you do not depart from this iniquity, you are at risk of being left behind. You cannot walk in darkness as the world does, brother. No way.
I have no doubt that you are in error to judge others in this way, but I won't waste more words or scriptures as you only hear yourself.
 
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You undoubtedly sound like yourself. How much like Jesus are you? How good is your vision? Are you close to the end of your course?



Am I obscene or is what I post or fail to post obscene?

One Internet definition says:

obscene: offensive to moral principles; repugnant.

Offensive to whose moral principles? Repugnant to whom?

"Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?" John 6:60-61


What about a "time to keep silence and a time to speak"? [Ecc 3:7] Who but God knows what time it is for each instance and for each situation? So then should we keep silence or speak other than when God gives us the Word? Are you listening to Him and hearing His voice all of the time, or is it only when you are reading the Bible or when you have memorized a verse that you hear His voice? Is that what God said about it?

Did God call laughter obscene? Did He say judge for yourselves what is obscene using man's definitions or what you feel is right and continue from there?

What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit in us? How about, eyes and ears and voice? Or do you also use as evidence for condemning people what you read in books, see on videos, or hear from other men?
Yes, of course, your unwillingness to criticize the movement is tantamount to approval, and thus, obscene. One who does not rebuke, or who encourages, an obscene act, has acted obscenely.
Did God call laughter obscene? Yes, in many contexts. Laughter at a funeral or in any life and death situation, is obscene. Laughter in Church is obscene. The Church is there to save souls, conduct a spiritual warfare, love one another despite our differences, be charitable, and resist the devil. No room for giggling on the floor, as far as I can see?
 

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That's fine Amadeus, then let's just let the Spirit of God be praised, and devil spirits be denounced and eradicated.
Would you know the difference if you saw either one?
We simply need to look in the mirror at ourselves!
 

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Well brother.

I hope they are proud of this thread and what they created here.
I'm sure God has been thrilled with it.

The way to move this Site forward is to have many more such threads like this.... sensations wins the day ever time.
14 pages ...and 260 posts of what!!! o_O
And who has won anything here, sister? If someone was really doing evil as some are saying they did in movements, or in laughing, or in speaking in tongues, did God not already know it? As I told @Enow very early on this thread, I had purposely avoided him before because of what I saw in his posts and I knew this would be the result. God supported me in that until now with this thread.

So now maybe it is me that is like Jeremiah who has been speaking because God told me to even though God also told me they were not going to hear me. What is that for? What was the book of Jeremiah for?


Now in this thread the truth has come out for anyone who really wants to see it. God wanted it made plain as to how useless such confrontations are except as an example of the wrong way to travel. No discussion occurred!
 
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We simply need to look in the mirror at ourselves!
Not entirely, some people have progressed towards edification more than others. Those with more insight and wisdom are required to perceive who the troublemakers and anti-Christs are, and not let them into the Church.
Paul rebuked those in the church, who were selfish or not working. He wished that Judaizers would emasculate themselves. And he warned of wolves entering the flock. I, with the minimal insight that I have, strongly denounce the giggles movement as being from the devil.
 
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Yes, of course, your unwillingness to criticize the movement is tantamount to approval, and thus, obscene. One who does not rebuke, or who encourages, an obscene act, has acted obscenely.
Did God call laughter obscene? Yes, in many contexts. Laughter at a funeral or in any life and death situation, is obscene. Laughter in Church is obscene. The Church is there to save souls, conduct a spiritual warfare, love one another despite our differences, be charitable, and resist the devil. No room for giggling on the floor, as far as I can see?
Not a Word! Just words!
 

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I have no doubt that you are in error to judge others in this way, but I won't waste more words or scriptures as you only hear yourself.

Maybe you will hear Him now.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
 
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Maybe you will hear Him now.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

"But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee." Luke 14:10
 

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"But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee." Luke 14:10

Seeking a phenomenon by having another drink of the One Spirit is hardly what you have done and are doing, brother. You are taking a higher seating by doing that. So hardly waiting for the Bridegroom as Spirit-filled when out to the market, seeking to be filled again and again and again, and never ready to go. So to apply what you referenced, go back to your first love and rest in Jesus Christ as Spirit-filled saved believer and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign.
 

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It is easy to get mad at those astray. I can get that way when I think of them leading others astray. Jesus has prayed to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do, yet some of those people plotted His death.
Different story with 'believers'. Those who know more will be judged harsher. The one's that you referenced 'forgive them for they know what they do', aren't expected to know better, and they don't profess to have the truth.

When believers have been denouncing the KJV, and saying not all Bibles say the same thing, they come to rely on experience more than anything and they wind up falling for everything rather than stand on the Word of God. That is what the get for not heeding His words.
I don't get this point, are you saying that, some say that our different Bible versions are contradictory? ...I hope that your not KJVO, are you?

So if a person is ignorant, pointing out his or her ignorance doesn't really help them nor convince them until God does by His words for them to see their ignorance in order for them to repent.
Even a child would say that the people in video, look like they're acting silly. Point being, people who are frivolous with God's Word themselves, i.e. those who like saying the Holy Spirit talks to them all the time, always support those who do the same. i.e. The blind leading the blind. In other words, most of them are bragging about their perceived experiences, counting themselves as blessed.
That is, no matter how you cut it, their approval has something very overall sinister about it, whether it be from their lack of perception, or from supporting their partners in crime.
 

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The problem here is simple. A preacher laid hands on you and you found yourself on the floor, so you know what is of God and what is not of God. I thought spiritual authority and truth came through the word of God and His reality, not emotional or spiritual experiences.

I read the testimony of a man under the delusion of the prosperity gospel and the hope of seed sowing. Even though he knew it was false teaching and a delusion, he still gave, in the middle of the process of leaving the church. We love these optimistic, quick fix solutions that always have a good outcome, with the right fuzzy feeling.

But throughout church history guys have felt they knew God, and did insane stuff, claiming they now had the unique light, only to be actually wrong and deluded. And these super apostles, often are the most aggressive and condemning of simple faithful believers, which speaks more about the error of their hearts and position than anything else. Our core is loving from the heart. Anything that loses that, is not of the Lord.

Another armchair critic who does not speak from experience.
 

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Don't misconstrue where the contention lies.
We are saying that this is not from the Holy Spirit, ....nor are any of your sentiments.
Can you not tell the difference between God and satan?
I do not believe for one minute that you were god-smacked, as far as your falling down experience is concerned.
The only time that people were thrown to the ground in the Bible, is when they had a devil spirit, and they were being exorcised.
Your experience, on the other hand, sounds like voodoo to me.
Otherwise, the true Spirit caused people to speak in tongues and praise God with profound worship, or perform other miracles.
Can you not tell the difference?

Another armchair critic who thinks that he knows everything when in actual fact he knows nothing.
 
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This was the OP, so we're calling it for what it is, and warning accordingly.
Unfortunately, not all on this forum see it the same way, and therefore, we are forced to express our opinions much more emphatically and vehemently.

Thank you for confirming that what you say is your opinion. I am not interested in opinions of any kind. I prefer to stick with reality.
 
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Interesting. My son has been teaching me about autism. He has a number of autistic employees employed in his factory, top engineers et al. He has been explaining to me how he has learned to communicate with them. They understand a different language, and he tells me that he has learned to communicate with them in the language they understand. They have all been model employees.

I tend to suspect that he may have had a little help from his wife, who is a prominent clinical psychologist, but he has found his achievement in working with these employees, most gratifying.

As everyone does who cares to understand what makes them tick. Their thirst for knowledge is never on the basis of trying to make themselves look good. They seek knowledge because that is how their brain is wired. If they tell you that A + B = C you can be sure that A + B = C is a fact and not opinion.

Personally, I can't get excited about opinion as in most cases it does not contain facts and that is why I always dig deep and research before I comment. That prevents me from giving my opinion which is no more than trying to convince people without evidence.
 
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2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
John 15:2

I would like to suggest that Heidi Baker has well and truly been pruned and produced the fruit. She and her husband have started I don't know how many schools and homes for orphans (it runs into the hundreds), and she has seen miraculous provision from the Lord for her children, plus she has had the privilege to see her older children accepted for university. Without their help, they would still be on the street begging.
 
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Another armchair critic who thinks that he knows everything when in actual fact he knows nothing.
Idle words, start showing some insight, you sound dull!
I've made my points very clear, I've divulged that I know exactly what I'm talking about.
You sound indecisive and unsure of the matter at hand.