Israel vs Judah

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n2thelight

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Jew's do not believe in Christ,or should I say that He was the Son of God.Maybe I should say those that call themselves Jew's
,but are not.These are not people are who runs that nation state of Israel,in other words kenite occupied Israel are of their father the devil,and that's whom they are waiting for ,him for whom they are building the temple...It dang show ain't Christ!!!
 

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You missing my point of this thread.And it's not Israel and Judah,it's it's Israel vs Judah.
The point I'm making is that all Israel are not just Jew's,ie,from that nation state of Israel today.

If you say they have know relevance then you are saying Christianity has none either.

No I don't think so. How can Israel, as a holy people of God be seen in the world today?
How can Christianity be seen as a vital force in the world today?
Christianity is seen where Christians roll up their sleeves and get stuck into working among those the ' world ' has no regard for.
In the ebola outbreak, atheists lamented that Christians where the ones working in these hospitals.
Schemes to help the poor in the world, those that work are most often run by Christians or if. Nonchristian organisation are staffed by Christians.

In your town who is it that is visiting the lonely house bound?
Who is it that is trying to help the homeless?
A question, why do atheists sometimes concern themselves with those less fortunate then themselves?
What is it in atheism that causes them to do so?

Conversely just what are you and your church doing?
 

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Do we know the difference between what?
If you intend to ask a question, try writing/ typing the question out.

Your title is Israel and Judah. There are many differences most are totally irrelevant to life today.
Who cares whether that group of people can trace their ancestry back to Abraham.

Who cares?? God cares! SO much of Scripture is devoted to that topic.
 

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Who cares?? God cares! SO much of Scripture is devoted to that topic.

The OT is a history of God's provision for his people and of his preparation for the coming of his Son.
So yes the OT is full of Israel and of Judah, there are enormous lessons for us to learn from them.

But those lesson are about being faithfull to God, to his commandments, yes they are still relevent and to our serving God.
We do not need to know our geneology, or our relationship to Israel or Judah.
 

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Which nation on earth is without a doubt still the greatest Christian nation? It is the United States of America. Having an understanding of how Jacob’s prophecy to Ephraim and Manasseh was fulfilled is the first piece of the puzzle in identifying America in Bible prophecy.
Having read your Herbert W Armstong British-Israel fantasy, it contains nothing whatsoever that I can connect with my Biblical understanding of God's plan for Israel.
 

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The OT is a history of God's provision for his people and of his preparation for the coming of his Son.
So yes the OT is full of Israel and of Judah, there are enormous lessons for us to learn from them.

But those lesson are about being faithfull to God, to his commandments, yes they are still relevent and to our serving God.
We do not need to know our geneology, or our relationship to Israel or Judah.
Interesting that the New Testament is introduced with the purpose and significance of the book:

"The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:"
 

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Having read your Herbert W Armstong British-Israel fantasy, it contains nothing whatsoever that I can connect with my Biblical understanding of God's plan for Israel.

I don't do Armstrong ,I gave scripture .With that said where are the nations of Israel that were prophesied?

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Where ???????
 

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I'm almost beginning to think Judah didn't even return ,as I see Germany being the house of Judah.Do have to study that a lil more though...
 

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I'm almost beginning to think Judah didn't even return ,as I see Germany being the house of Judah.Do have to study that a lil more though...
Germany is the cradle of Ashkenazim Jewery, located in the Palatine on the lower Rhine at the Moselle River triangle, where my family originated. After the fall of Jerusalem, the Ashkenazim went to Rome in an effort to make a living, but Rome was already swamped with trades people, so in AD 300 they chose the only remaining option, to service the Roman army on their way north to defeat the barbarians on the other side of the Rhine. Upon completion, the Jews saw the fertile lands in this area, and decided to stay and grow vineyards et al.

Extensive DNA testing of the progeny of Israel has taken place, and I know that Ashkenazim DNA is quite unique and clearly defined, along with other tribes like the Levites who are considered to have the most pure DNA, varying by only 1.5% over the centuries, and that is extremely important for selecting the priests who will serve in the Third Temple. It has been over a decade since I last checked out the current state of DNA studies managed by Stephen Benner [Ben Ner] at U of Florida, and how much more information they have developed since then. To get married in Israel, a system managed by the Ultra-Orthodox, Chasidic contingent, you must prove you are a Jew, which is often proven by DNA.

I have been into this stuff for years, and am quite familiar with the Old Testament and the works of many Jewish historians, which has given me a feel for God's plan for Israel; and the stuff you posted does not in any way correspond with my studies over the decades. I remain completely satisfied with the information I have derived from Scripture, so your ideology does not interest me. I don't want my mind loaded down with hypotheses. I want it to remain clear, listening to God as I pursue my studies.
 

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Maybe our God is a God of forgiveness and reconciliation. ?

Yes He Is ,without a doubt!!!,which leads to what I wanted to say from your earlier post about Christ being married to Israel,in which I said they were divorced.

Okay,we know that He did in fact divorce them,okay here's what I'm saying.The Church is the bride,my question to you is,will God have two wives.Me,I think not,that's why the Church has always been Israel
 

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Germany is the cradle of Ashkenazim Jewery, located in the Palatine on the lower Rhine at the Moselle River triangle, where my family originated. After the fall of Jerusalem, the Ashkenazim went to Rome in an effort to make a living, but Rome was already swamped with trades people, so in AD 300 they chose the only remaining option, to service the Roman army on their way north to defeat the barbarians on the other side of the Rhine. Upon completion, the Jews saw the fertile lands in this area, and decided to stay and grow vineyards et al.

Extensive DNA testing of the progeny of Israel has taken place, and I know that Ashkenazim DNA is quite unique and clearly defined, along with other tribes like the Levites who are considered to have the most pure DNA, varying by only 1.5% over the centuries, and that is extremely important for selecting the priests who will serve in the Third Temple. It has been over a decade since I last checked out the current state of DNA studies managed by Stephen Benner [Ben Ner] at U of Florida, and how much more information they have developed since then. To get married in Israel, a system managed by the Ultra-Orthodox, Chasidic contingent, you must prove you are a Jew, which is often proven by DNA.

I have been into this stuff for years, and am quite familiar with the Old Testament and the works of many Jewish historians, which has given me a feel for God's plan for Israel; and the stuff you posted does not in any way correspond with my studies over the decades. I remain completely satisfied with the information I have derived from Scripture, so your ideology does not interest me. I don't want my mind loaded down with hypotheses. I want it to remain clear, listening to God as I pursue my studies.

Israel is the Church,ie,the Church in the wilderness,NOBODY and I mean NOBODY gets to the Father without Christ,I don't care who you are...They Israel were broken off from their own tree,the only way back is through Christ
 
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this what you're looking for?

"The Kingdom of Israel (or Northern Kingdom, or Samaria) existed as an independent state until 722 BCE when it was conquered by the Assyrian Empire, while the Kingdom of Judah (or Southern Kingdom) existed as an independent state until 586 BCE when it was conquered by the Neo-Babylonian Empire."
 

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this what you're looking for?

"The Kingdom of Israel (or Northern Kingdom, or Samaria) existed as an independent state until 722 BCE when it was conquered by the Assyrian Empire, while the Kingdom of Judah (or Southern Kingdom) existed as an independent state until 586 BCE when it was conquered by the Neo-Babylonian Empire."

Yes Nancy ,that's what I'm saying,and they haven't been together since and they won't until the return of Christ
 
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Interesting that the New Testament is introduced with the purpose and significance of the book:

"The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:"

Address to whom? Was it not the Jews with a deep interest in there ancestry from Abraham.
Jesus's geneology is equally of interest to us in it shows his regal descendant from David, his lineage from Adam via Abraham and that he fulfilled the legalistic requirements to be our sacrificial lamb.
 

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Address to whom? Was it not the Jews with a deep interest in there ancestry from Abraham.
Jesus's geneology is equally of interest to us in it shows his regal descendant from David, his lineage from Adam via Abraham and that he fulfilled the legalistic requirements to be our sacrificial lamb.
It is of great interest to me.