Always Spirit-Filled Or Unsaved?

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Enoch111

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It's because your teaching is your own, and not from the Bible. That's all. I just hope others will realize that.
I have brought this to the attention of everyone some time back. Episkopos has manufactured his own theology, and tends towards Gnosticism. He also rejects the plain Gospel truth of justification by grace through faith.
 

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I have brought this to the attention of everyone some time back. Episkopos has manufactured his own theology, and tends towards Gnosticism. He also rejects the plain Gospel truth of justification by grace through faith.


It only seems like that to someone who is very far to a far rightist religious ideology that has no actual contact with God at all...just a book about Him to be exploited for the self-seeking bent in the fallen nature.
 

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The bible speaks ABOUT the living God. But the letter also kills....it is the Spirit that gives life...and that is written IN the bible. Don't look for verse readings to get life.

And your translation would be wrong.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Pneuma in Greek can be translated by how it is used in the verse. Strong's Concordance shows all the definition for pneuma for why it cannot apply all apply to the verse.

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

"from pnew - pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch - psuche 5590."

Small "s" for those 2 verses.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death... 6And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

So as the Father sends the promise and Jesus baptizes us with the forever indwelling Holy Ghost, He is giving us eternal life.

Scripture points believers to go to the Son for that life. This is not accomplish by going TO the Spirit for that.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

And there is certainly no need to GO TO the Spirit any more for that life when He is in us so Spirit-filled believers can testify that Jesus Christ is the Savior for we are saved.
 

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John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
There's the issue. A lot of people read the bible but very few actually go to Jesus in order to receive of His kind of life.
 

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There's the issue. A lot of people read the bible but very few actually go to Jesus in order to receive of His kind of life.

Yes, some people points to the Holy Spirit as if they can receive Him again and again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh when scripture & the indwelling Holy Ghost are still pointing believers to go to the Son in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.
 

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Yes, some people points to the Holy Spirit as if they can receive Him again and again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh when scripture & the indwelling Holy Ghost are still pointing believers to go to the Son in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.


You really have to try turning off the propaganda machine that's in stuck mode in your head bro!
 

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It's because your teaching is your own, and not from the Bible. That's all.

I just hope others will realize that.

Ad hominem and hypocrisy as I shall present. I'll respond with your own comment... (see you are in a loop...a mind loop.) You are speaking to yourself...like in an echo chamber. So here is what you say to me...but apply this to yourself...

More and more and more ad hominem, insulting language instead of Christian response. Do you Never tire of this?

So do you ever get tired of attacking me and the truth? My doctrine is from the bible...the whole bible...not just selected verses that are taught to people to get them into pews on sundays. So if I speak the truth...that you find uncomfortable...you will attack me. And that's the way truth works for people who resist the truth and assume they are right.
 
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Yes, some people points to the Holy Spirit as if they can receive Him again and again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh when scripture & the indwelling Holy Ghost are still pointing believers to go to the Son in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.


You're doing the mind loop thing again and again and again. Do you realize that? Look back over your posts...they could all be just copy pastes. Let go of your one idea for a moment and consider other things. Otherwise it is an idée fixe.

You are not understanding how the Spirit works in people. (And I leave it to marks to attack me for saying this...again and again and again.)

I think I need to start a thread on mind loops. o_O:eek::rolleyes:
 

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Ad hominem and hypocrisy as I shall present. I'll respond with your own comment... (see you are in a loop...a mind loop.) You are speaking to yourself...like in an echo chamber. So here is what you say to me...but apply this to yourself...



So do you ever get tired of attacking me and the truth? My doctrine is from the bible...the whole bible...not just selected verses that are taught to people to get them into pews on sundays. So if I speak the truth...that you find uncomfortable...you will attack me. And that's the way truth works for people who resist the truth and assume they are right.

It would serve you well to listen to Marks and then examen your self, to see if you really are of The Faith and have The Truth. If not for you, then do it for your followers. If a tree is known by it's fruit, where is The Good fruit?
 

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It would serve you well to listen to Marks and then examen your self, to see if you really are of The Faith and have The Truth. If not for you, then do it for your followers. If a tree is known by it's fruit, where is The Good fruit?


I'm not indoctrinated so you are barking up the wrong tree. You have it exactly backwards. Marks is confused and has a pathological necessity to be passive aggressive.

Please go to my thread on "mind loops" and perhaps you can become freed yourself from these circular ideas you have.
 

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Yes, some people points to the Holy Spirit as if they can receive Him again and again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh when scripture & the indwelling Holy Ghost are still pointing believers to go to the Son in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

You really have to try turning off the propaganda machine that's in stuck mode in your head bro!

Do apply that also to yourself in regards to your own propaganda of anti-dogmatic rhetoric, brother. The difference between you and me is that you do not use scripture in rightly dividing the word of truth for your propaganda. And since there are supernatural forces in the world, you cannot prove any spirit that comes on you as being the Holy Spirit or not, because you seem to treat scripture as an indoctrination from men that must be shunned, and that is what you are doing, brother, when you ignore the truth in His words that the Holy Spirit has been in you since your salvation at the calling of the gospel so you can know that spirit coming over you later in life IS NOT the Holy Spirit!!!

For all your dogma, and defending that which you say is of God, how come those who experienced the same thing do not all support your dogma?
 

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You're doing the mind loop thing again and again and again. Do you realize that? Look back over your posts...they could all be just copy pastes. Let go of your one idea for a moment and consider other things. Otherwise it is an idée fixe.

You are not understanding how the Spirit works in people. (And I leave it to marks to attack me for saying this...again and again and again.)

I think I need to start a thread on mind loops. o_O:eek::rolleyes:

How about the real truth is you are ignoring the faith in Jesus Christ as being in you since your salvation so you can know that spirit coming over you is not the Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist in the world. My repeating this truth is not a mind loop. You are just denying Him in you.
 

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My doctrine is from the bible...the whole bible...
In the several times I've asked you to provide Scripture that teaches what you teach for some reason you do not. I've seen you post bits here and there. So then do more than that, show the teaching.

There are quite a number of people on this forum who do not think the way I do on things, and as I've asked many of them their reasons for what they think, they've told me, and shown me where in the Bible they come to their ideas, or in some cases, not even from the Bible.

And as we dialog over these things, I'll share Scriptures, they will share Scriptures, and we will discuss. And in some cases, I've come to greater understanding for it. In other cases I think that others may have benefited, at least, this is my hope!

If we are able to have a discussion without too much contention, there are many who can do that, even if we don't end up agreeing, we can at least come to understand how others see things. I find that to be of benefit.

So if I speak the truth...that you find uncomfortable...you will attack me.

Hostility is not automated. We can choose.

Of course this sword cuts two ways. "If I speak the truth, a truth you find uncomfortable, you will attack me." Given the record of your replies to me over the past, I must make you very uncomfortable.

We can play this tit-for-tat stuff if you like, well, actually, that's not what I'm here for. Discussions from Scripture and the Christian life. Dialog my friend!
 

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In the several times I've asked you to provide Scripture that teaches what you teach for some reason you do not. I've seen you post bits here and there. So then do more than that, show the teaching.

There are quite a number of people on this forum who do not think the way I do on things, and as I've asked many of them their reasons for what they think, they've told me, and shown me where in the Bible they come to their ideas, or in some cases, not even from the Bible.

And as we dialog over these things, I'll share Scriptures, they will share Scriptures, and we will discuss. And in some cases, I've come to greater understanding for it. In other cases I think that others may have benefited, at least, this is my hope!

If we are able to have a discussion without too much contention, there are many who can do that, even if we don't end up agreeing, we can at least come to understand how others see things. I find that to be of benefit.



Hostility is not automated. We can choose.

Of course this sword cuts two ways. "If I speak the truth, a truth you find uncomfortable, you will attack me." Given the record of your replies to me over the past, I must make you very uncomfortable.

We can play this tit-for-tat stuff if you like, well, actually, that's not what I'm here for. Discussions from Scripture and the Christian life. Dialog my friend!
I invite you then to my new thread..on "mind loops."

The problem with indoctrination is the way the bible is used...like alcohol to an alcoholic. So then with brainwashed people the bible is useless. They have a loop that decides what is right and familiar...anything unfamiliar is rejected...whether there is a chapter and verse to it or not. I have been on forums a long time and conducted MANY experiments among the indoctrinated. it never fails...the loops win over truth...in... I'd say at least half of posters. And you are no exception to this. That's why you react when I point out the truth.

When you talk to people in everyday life...do you only use bible verses? Or do you see life as unfolding in new ways constantly?

For me unless a person is proven to be spiritually minded I tend to NOT share bible verses...so as not to waste the truth on futility.

I might add in some statements that are actually verses but I don't add in the chapter verse...so these think I don't use the bible...but really it just shows the ignorance and indoctrination to chapter and verse... without any understanding whatsoever of kingdom things.

So what are you supposed to discuss with people that are just religious? pew arrangements?
 

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I invite you then to my new thread..on "mind loops."

The problem with indoctrination is the way the bible is used...like alcohol to an alcoholic. So then with brainwashed people the bible is useless. They have a loop that decides what is right and familiar...anything unfamiliar is rejected...whether there is a chapter and verse to it or not. I have been on forums a long time and conducted MANY experiments among the indoctrinated. it never fails...the loops win over truth...in... I'd say at least half of posters. And you are no exception to this. That's why you react when I point out the truth.

When you talk to people in everyday life...do you only use bible verses? Or do you see life as unfolding in new ways constantly?

For me unless a person is proven to be spiritually minded I tend to NOT share bible verses...so as not to waste the truth on futility.

I might add in some statements that are actually verses but I don't add in the chapter verse...so these think I don't use the bible...but really it just shows the ignorance and indoctrination to chapter and verse... without any understanding whatsoever of kingdom things.

So what are you supposed to discuss with people that are just religious? pew arrangements?

Feel free to explain how your mind loop doesn't make you fall in the holy laughter movement. Oh, wait. It does. How's that thrown for a loop?
 

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When you talk to people in everyday life...do you only use bible verses?
Well, as you've read what I write, naturally, I speak other words also. But as you've read what I write, I make extensive use of Scripture.

One of the benefits in posting the Scriptures, rather, one of the benefits of Not posting the actual Scriptures is that one must be more familiar with the Bible to spot the inconsistencies. Subtle changes in the wording, or a snippet quoted out of context, as if it were saying something else.

I think, and this is just me, on a Christian discussion forum, centering discussion on the teachings of Scripture is not to far off to consider.

...anything unfamiliar is rejected...
That would be a projection, which is presumption. Myself, I examine the unfamiliar. Put it to the test of Scripture.

I have been on forums a long time and conducted MANY experiments among the indoctrinated.
Experiments, really? Experiments among the indoctinated, and they always seem to prove your idea . . . interesting mind set. I too am an observer of human behavior, and abnormal psychology.

...so these think I don't use the bible...but really it just shows the ignorance and indoctrination to chapter and verse... without any understanding whatsoever of kingdom things.
Indoctination to chapter and verse? OR the desire to hold us all to a higher standard? The desire to confirm each person's teaching to the Word of God, perhaps? Or just indoctrination?

Holding us all to a higher standard. You show your doctrine without the Bible, and I'll show my doctrine from the Bible.
 
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