Is Any Denomination Saved?

BreadOfLife said:

WRONG.

First of all - there is no "Roman" Catholic Church.
"Roman" simply refers to a Liturgical Rite - of which there are some TWENTY that comprise the Catholic Church.
Among these Rites are the Byzantine, Roman/Latin, Melkite, Maronite, Ruthenian, etc.

The official name of the Catholic Church is . . . . "The Catholic Church."

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Umm... You just said there's no Roman Catholic church and then you tell me there is, in the same post.
From catholic.com:
"within the Catholic Church there are a number of individual churches, sometimes called rites. One of these is the Roman rite or Roman church. It includes most of the Catholics in the Western world. A Roman Catholic is a Catholic who is a member of the Roman rite."

But you are just splitting hairs. What I said is still true.

BreadOfLife said:

Furthermore - salvation comes FROM Christ - but it comes THROUGH His Church,

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The church is merely the body of believers, not any particular denomination. Your claim is that the Catholic church is the only true one, which is false.

Enow said:

And yet Jesus is called the Savior, not the Church by Peter.

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Never said He wasn't.
I was merely correcting you perverted view of what His Church is.
It is Christ in His FULLNESS (Eph. 1:22-23).

YOU erroneously believe that His Church is a different entity.

Enow said:

So what are you doing? Trying to interpret the Word of God for the Church to us? Or don't you really believe that is solely the Church's job to do?

Unless you are a bishop in communion with the Pope, but you never said that, have you?

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Nope - I merely parrot what Christ's Church teaches.
I don't come up with my own perversions like YOU.

Renniks said:

Umm... You just said there's no Roman Catholic church and then you tell me there is, in the same post.
From catholic.com:
"within the Catholic Church there are a number of individual churches, sometimes called rites. One of these is the Roman rite or Roman church. It includes most of the Catholics in the Western world. A Roman Catholic is a Catholic who is a member of the Roman rite."

But you are just splitting hairs. What I said is still true.

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That's not completely accurate.
Catholic.com is a lay ministry - not an official Church source.

The use of the term "churches" is better replaced by the term "Liturgical Rites" - because that is precisely what they are.
A liturgical Rite are largely cultural differences - not doctrinal.

Enow said:

It becomes a different entity when salvation is pointed to her doors and the works of Catholicism within for obtaining salvation by her.

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No - it's never a "different entity".
Christ identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5, Eph. 1:22-23).

Enow said:

But not what Christ teaches Himself.

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Christ and His Church are inseparable.

Acts 9:4-5
He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?” He said, “Who are you, sir?” The reply came, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Eph. 1:22-23
And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the CHURCH, which is his body, THE FULLNESS OF HIM who fills all in all.

Which parts of these verses do you NOT understand??

Renniks said:

The church is merely the body of believers, not any particular denomination. Your claim is that the Catholic church is the only true one, which is false.

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Can you show me that verse in Scripture??

BreadOfLife said:

Can you show me that verse in Scripture??

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As soon as you show me one that says it refers to the Catholic church.

Renniks said:

As soon as you show me one that says it refers to the Catholic church.

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HISTORY shows us that much . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Now - where's that verse in Scripture??

Enow said:

How come out of all the 7 churches in Revelations, the Church at Rime is never mentioned?

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Because ALL of the 7 Churches in Revelation are in Turkey.
It wasn't addressed to EVERY Church.

Where is the church at Corinth mentioned??
Galatia??
Thessalonica??
Phrygia??

This isn't rocket science . . .

BreadOfLife said:

HISTORY shows us that much . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Now - where's that verse in Scripture??

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I said from scripture. And what makes you think Ignatius would want you to listen to a bishop who was not godly?

"Prosecutors and gendarmerie staged a raid this month into the usually serene offices of the Vatican’s Secretariat of State, seizing computers and caches of documents from archives and employees. Two weeks later, the longtime head of Pope Francis’ security service resigned after leaked reports of alleged financial wrongdoing in the Vatican.

Reports have emerged detailing the movement of Vatican money through slush funds across Europe — and a Vatican investment of more than $250 million into luxury London apartments, brokered through a financier who profited even while the Vatican’s investment tanked."
(0ct 2019)
How about when the Vatican was burning people to death? Should parishioners blindly follow such a church?
Christ is our head, not any fallible man.

Renniks said:

I said from scripture. And what makes you think Ignatius would want you to listen to a bishop who was not godly

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Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.

But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong? But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.

Rebellion is never the answer...
Bishops will be held to a higher account for their actions and their words.
Should one leave the Church because of anothers actions? Would you abandon Christ because of Judas?

Peace!

Philip James said:

Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.

But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong? But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.

Rebellion is never the answer...
Bishops will be held to a higher account for their actions and their words.
Should one leave the Church because of anothers actions? Would you abandon Christ because of Judas?

Peace!

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We are to be slaves of Christ's, not blind followers of evil men.
Matthew 7: 15 -20

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Matthew 23

Renniks said:

We are to be slaves of Christ's, not blind followers of evil men.
Matthew 7: 15 -20 -

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Who said anything about blindly following anybody?
Are all the apostles evil because one of them was?
Should we abandon our brothers and sisters if a wolf comes? Or do we rather drive the wolf out...

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Matthew 23

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And just what do you think Jesus means by this?
Is Paul wrong to call himself 'father' to the churches he established? Or to refer to Timothy as his son?

I do not confuse men who may be spiritual or biological fathers with my Father in heaven, although there are ample examples of cults that have done just that...

Pax!