The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement
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You sound simple, marksman.
Please try and show more insight, than just your generalizations about 'well, that's just your opinion'. At least I have a rather affirmative one.
Are you unaware that the flakiness that you're espousing, is just an opinion too?
Have we regressed back to elementary reasoning 101?
Yes, i read your posts, remember, I quoted some of your remarks.
Marksman, we all believe that God is powerful, and that he sends his Holy Spirit to empower those who have the faith and humility to receive it.
The gift is given in order to bestow wisdom and power upon the recipient. And these two attributes give testimony to others, of the reality of Christ and his Lordship.
Therefore, if one is going to claim that they have invoked the Holy Spirit, seen visions or heard prophecies, it better glorify God by either, imparting the utmost profound wisdom, or some undeniable supernatural and purposeful phenomenon.
This is what the Bible has demonstrated to us, without exception.
Falling on the floor does not qualify for either, especially with no explanation as to why God would 'floor' someone.
Again, the only occurrence of this type of 'violent' manifestation, was during an exorcism, never when someone become converted or empowered.
Marksman, had you said that the Lord spoke to you, and you proved it by the wisdom that was spoken, I'd gladly agree. Or, that he undeniably healed an infirmity that you had, I'd marvel.
But falling on the floor appears to be nothing more than a drunken stupor, or hyped-up and deluded, ecstatic reaction.
I'm not being mean marksman, just trying to glorify God, but you people are just being dramatic and sensationalistic????
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A typical armchair critic if I might say so.
One, you were not there so you have no idea beyond your opinion what took place.
Two. Implying that I was drunk is totally offensive as I did not drink alcohol.
Rejection is an infirmity and I was healed of it. What do you not understand about that?
Until you have actually experienced the supernatural power of God, please do not bother me with your opinion.
BTW I wasn't calling you drunk, I was just likening your experience to that of a drunken stupor.
In other words, where's the edification, what more have you demonstrated then a drunkard or possessed person can do?
BTW, most of us rejected Christ at one point, so what are you saying, that we all had some miraculous power compel us to conviction towards the Gospel? I never got knocked to the ground or had any other inexplicable symptom as such, or anyone else I know that came to Christ?
I believe that you got caught up in the hype, and just were moved with emotion, more than the efficacious and edifying power of God.
You cannot equate your experience or reaction with any other example from the Bible.
It is true that they will be judged as in given stripes per the knowledge of the truth they had but did not get ready by it, even if they did not recognize it as truth and that is after they get left behind as a cast away in missing out on being a part of the firstfruits of the resurrection which is such a great loss, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for why God is wiping the tears from their eyes to get past that loss.
But it still goes to point in outreach ministry, we can only reprove others in patience and meekness in the hope God is peradventuring to recover them from the snares of the devil. Once we judge them by biting and devouring them, then we might as well give it up because they will not listen any more. see? When it involves a church member, then yeah, I can see why harsh rebuke is necessary so they know that it is a serious matter, and not an opinion or a general consensus of an opinion, but rather a judgment from God from His words for the reason they need to repent or be excommunicated from the church. But as it is in a forum, it can never serve as an assembly but as an outreach ministry to recover the lost.
You are only confirming the anti-KJVO prejudices out there for why they are doubting His words to take experiences over His words. I am not of whatever all the stuff they say makes up KJVO extremism, and since there are no official representative or organization of KJVO to say otherwise but those who oppose KJVO that are assigning those trademarks, then any one that relies on the KJV for the meat of His words, regardless that they do not ascribe to everything that is considered as "KJVO" by the adversaries, they get labeled as such. But I am not KJVO even though I rely on the KJV only. Why?
If you check all BIBLES for John 16:13 that testifies that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use tongues for uttering His own intercessions, then Romans 8:26-27 in most modern Bibles are in error for hinting sounds are being made while the Holy Spirit makes these intercessions, but the KJV is the one that aligns with the truth in His words in John 16:13 by testifying not even His groanings can be uttered. Verse 27 testimony of this "he" is Jesus Christ as the One that searches our hearts per Hebrews 4:12-16 and thus "he" is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father which is in according to the will of God because there is only One Mediator between God & men, the man Christ Jesus ( 1 Timothy 2:5 ) Jesus has to be the only One that gives the Spirit's silent intercessions, our intercessions and His won intercessions so that whenever the Father says "yes" to any of those intercessions presented by the Son, the Son answers the prayers so the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers ( John 14:13-14 ) That is how the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer ( Matthew 6:7-8 ) for why it is a lie for saying the Holy Spirit needs to pray in secret so the devil cannot thwart His prayer. The Book of Job shows the devil cannot do anything without God's permission. The absurdity is that if they believe that lie, then why should we pray when the devil can thwart our prayers?
Anyway, modern Bibles of Romans 8:26-27 mislead modern day tongue speakers into thinking the Holy Spirit can use tongues for His own purpose when John 16:13 in ALL Bibles including whatever modern Bible they are using says the Holy Spirit cannot use tongues to utter His own intercessions. Anti KJVO do not realize that by speaking against relying on the KJV for the meat of His words, they permit doubts in His words in modern Bibles about John 16:13 because of what was erroneously translated in Romans 8:26-27.
I rely on Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and because of apostasy in the latter days and seeing the KJV in keeping the truths in His words for me to discern good and evil by it while most modern Bibles sows doubts to His words within that modern Bible, is why I rely only on the KJV.
So I am not speaking for KJVO because I do not know everything that is KJVO for me to say I agree with everything KJVO and since there is no organization for me to confirm what is KJVO, then I have to treat it as a lie in the world because the devil knows it has the meat in His words to discern good and evil by it, with the Lord's help when believers trust Him as their personal Good Shepherd to confirm the word of truth in it.
I really believe the prophesy below is applicable today for why so many are hungry and thirsty that they faint in these movement of the spirit because there are so many versions of the Bible and still they are trying to make an "easier to read than the KJV Bible" Bible. All hype for the love of money. If you consider what is required to get a copyright for that Bible to be unique to get a copyright, the love of money can be the cause for why the truth can be lost in translation.
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
Even if what people hear voices claiming God said this; we are not to believe every spirit but test them against the scripture, and that especially includes those who heard that voice. If what the voice said runs against scripture, then it cannot be of Him.
And in most modern day church goers, they just follow the crowd, trusting their leaders they know what they are doing, thus all the devil has to do is mislead the leaders and the crowd follows... yes, unfortunately, even little children too, when they have been following the crowd before.
Watching something from a video and not having relations to that crowd, then being exposed to that for the first time by video, yes, it would be obviously weird to children.
I do not really know Heidi Baker, except she wants an emotional response to Jesus in the Spirit.
And our intellectual, defensive, detached way of living may well be our failure in Christ.
The reaction to Jesus is truly a blessing, except when it does not touch peoples hearts and brings a Holy life walk with Jesus.
If our faith is just emotional highs without understanding sin and walking in Gods word, then we can be as lost and sinners in the world.
The problem is creating an ecstatic response without the gospel, but a religious euphoria, you end up with a money making machine, where believers think they know Jesus, but neither know scripture or being born again, but are assured they are safe in Christ.
And unfortunately many who preach the ecstatic response, are not interested in the walk of suffering and trials and testing, but the easy road where success and blessing is everything to them. Some you could not tell the difference between success speakers and preaching in church. Being a success in the world and desiring things of this world, envisioning your dreams and seeing God provide them is a spiritual ministry.
Now if these guys know Jesus, this is not Jesus of scripture.
If you are referring to incidents in Acts, Luke uses those phrases to testify how those saints were speaking or doing the things they were doing since it was about the history of the early church. In other words, they were always Spirit-filled, but when they spoke, it was by the Holy Ghost or when they were brushing the dust off of their feet and praising God, they were doing so by the Holy Ghost in them. This was to explain how normal people could not do what they do by the flesh so that believers can understand how they can serve the Lord in the ministry because they too are always Spirit-filled.
There can be no receiving of the Holy Spirit "again" apart from salvation for that would mean we are a leaky vessel which is contrary to Matthew 9:17 for why we would be always hungry & thirsty seeking to be filled in denying the promise at our salvation for believing in Jesus Christ in John 6:35.
To seek another filling of the Holy Ghost would be preaching another Jesus, another spirit which was not received hence still seeking to be filled continuously, and thus giving another calling and another gospel, ignoring the warning in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4. Where is the rest in Jesus Christ?
It would depart from the testimony we all are supposed to share of having only one drink of the One Spirit by Whom Jesus Christ has baptized us all by into the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:13
So in spite of the erroneously misreading and misapplying of His words from the Book of Acts, the epistles to the churches dispels such notions of saved believers receiving the Holy Spirit "again" to be full of Him so they can do all those things as not what was really happening in the Book of Acts.
God can see the good works in a church and yet still hold something against her just as He would Heidi Baker.
Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Looks good. Like Heidi Baker, but...
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Now look at the consequence for not repenting from the iniquities listed.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Cast into the bed of the great tribulation where they shall incur death for not departing from iniquity; this spiritual fornication as I see it as chasing after spirits to receive after a sign rather than wait for the Bridegroom as always Spirit-filled believers since their salvation at the calling of the gospel. Even the sign of tongues which comes with no interpretation that has been found in the occult as testified in Isaiah 8:19. I see the connection to this spiritual fornication here by how they utter the depths of Satan for which they speak.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So I judged this is what happens when saved believers seek after seducing spirits thinking it is the Holy Spirit for a sign; even the sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation but assumed for private use, are committing spiritual fornication. And the only way to repent is to return to their first love by resting in Jesus Christ that they had been always been Spirit-filled since salvation at the calling of the gospel so they don't chase any more after seducing spirits for a sign.
So just because you can cite good works of Heidi Baker, it doesn't mean she will not be judged for being involved in that movement. Unless she repent, I believe she is at risk of being left behind to face the calamity of fire on the earth & the coming great tribulation as a result.
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also 1 Corinthians 13:2-3 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Is the definition of charity not defined as: I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and I give my body to be burned ...then how can there not be charity and instead a “though” I give, it profits me nothing.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [5] Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Are you asking me a question from what I have boldened and underlined in your quote?
If so, you have provided the answer in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 for what charity is which has nothing to do with giving because giving can be done without love as you referenced in scripture as proven to be the case.
This charity is a love that Jesus Christ can only provide to us through the Holy Ghost in us. It is not of the flesh as men are familiar with to be.
Thank you for sharing. It does goes to show that just because someone is giving a lot to charity, it doesn't mean it was done out of love nor that it means even if it was done in Christ's love, they are not free and clear from being judged by God when they are living in iniquity.
That's very insightful!
Just as surely that which was considered evil in kundalini, it is not going to be called "good" in Christianity.
Just as surely that which was considered evil in kundalini, it is not going to be called "good" in Christianity.
Tell me how God can call those sinners out of kundalini to repent of their practices and their spirits if they find the same thing in Christianity? How can those sinners know they are not relating to those spirits if supposedly the Holy Spirit does the same thing? How can the early church and modern churches today can know that these sinners have departed from their earlier practices and those spirits? No one can unless testing those spirits by acknowledging that Jesus Christ is in us since the calling of the gospel when we had first believed so that we can know any spirit coming over us later in life as a saved believer cannot be the Holy Spirit at all, but the spirit of the anti-Christ which is in the world.
I reckon I assume you were talking about events in Acts rather than at the moment of our salvation for why you said this below.
"Marksman, we all believe that God is powerful, and that he sends his Holy Spirit to empower those who have the faith and humility to receive it.
The gift is given in order to bestow wisdom and power upon the recipient. And these two attributes give testimony to others, of the reality of Christ and his Lordship."
Well, i was just talking about the gift of the Spirit to all believers. Yes, the account is prominent in the Book of Acts, but also throughout the Epistles where Paul defends himself against the Judaizers or false prophets, by alluding to the Spirit's witness. Claiming that he proved his apostleship with signs and wonders, and asks if anyone has received the Spirit by obeying the Law, etc...
But, it sounds like you're contending with me on what I wrote about it?
I was explaining to marksman, the purpose of the gift, and the manifestations of them that we witness through the Bible. Marksman's experience does not correspond to either of these two Biblical documentations.
So, it sounded like you were trying to correct me on something?
Just wanted to make sure you knew what was going on in Acts that was not how those for the holy laughter movement may be taking it to mean. It almost read like you were agreeing that at various times in a believer's life in ministry that they get "filled" or full of the Spirit to minister when in fact Luke is giving an account of the early church in how disciples served Him in preaching and doing the things they did as not something they spoke or decided to do or did by their flesh for why the reference "full of the Holy Spirit" was meant to infer.
I should have asked for clarity but my computer was acting funny again and I do not know how long I have on the internet cause I have been knocked off before by a hacker doing damage to my computer and then I just gave up, but when I attached the internet connection cable again, I was back on as if nothing bad had happened to my computer. So I think someone has hijacked my computer or had gotten into my home to wi fi it to mess with me remotely, I dunno.
Anyway, I was making sure you were not taking the way those in error were applying "full of the Holy Spirit" "filled with the Spirit" to mean in the Book of Acts. I jumped the gun cause without waiting for clarity because I keep thinking any time now my post will be my last.
No, i was proving that the Biblical 'filled with the Holy Spirit', was diametrically opposed to what they were displaying, either the videos or the personal stories, ...all were complete nonsense. ....when you think about it, it's hard to believe that you thought otherwise, considering my vehemence against all these people who support this drama & hysteria, in all my posts? ...no worries, you wanted to clarify.
...maybe it's marksmen, or someone else that you been contending with on this issue, who is hacking your computer?
...just kidding.
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