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Bless you in your walk with our Savior.
My name is OLIGOS
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God bless you.
Wonderful uplifting and encouraging words of Godly love.
Bless you in your walk with our Savior.
My name is OLIGOS
You have every right to say what you want. Why must you waste so many words to say what you really want to say? Say it man, say it! Say, To [removed] with the Sabbath the Seventh Day of the week Sabbath of the Lord God! And say it, [removed]
Hebrews 1: 1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also .... He THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE ..." 4:4.
God also "would not speak of another day" in verse 8 -- "another day of SALVATION .. another day than or after the day of Christ, of his life on earth and of his Life now as Mediator Advocate before the Father -- yes, God would not after Jesus availed God's Rest for the People of God, again speak of another Day-of-Salvation, true! Nevertheless the reference the writer makes by saying, "another day", inevitably and indisputably refers to and implies THAT DAY of God's Seventh Day Sabbath's-rest written, referenced, and applied, in 4:4 ON THE SEVENTH DAY OF CREATION.
The truth is the truth ONLY if ONLY the truth, NOTHING BUT the truth, and, THE FULL TRUTH! Which means the writer with the words "another day" in 4:8 ALSO MEANT and more probably than anything else IN THE FIRST PLACE meant the Seventh Day Sabbath of which in 4:4 "God THUS" -- as Day of Salvation and Divine Rest--, "SPAKE". Sela. Maranatha!
Luther could not stomach Hebrews because of this Sabbath truth it contains. John Owen valued The Letter to the Hebrew believers so highly that he wrote on its Commentary more than forty years!
Want to know on whose side am I?
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I hope God doesn't have to remind you of these spoken words of yours at judgement.
"With the same MOUTH you bless God and curse men." James 3:10
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OK, I understand what you are saying, thank you!
But if we're to build our doctrine based on who is the speaker, even though "in these last days" God has spoken by His Son, yet still, the OT quotes are not from these last days, right?
This does not seem to me to be the most straightforward interpretation. Everything that was quoted in Hebrews is spoken by the Son as in the last days - of what, by the way, important question there - Everything spoken by the Son, yet in the time before, by the fathers and the prophets.
Myself, I pay very close attention to these sorts of things. I guess not to say you don't! It just doesn't sit right with me.
Much love!
Sjoe I'm really getting old and tired, God, help me
The connection for you to discover, brother in Jesus Christ, is wonderful, it's glorious, it's beyond description for me. But I must go to bed now. THANKS for the little <?> mark! if God will, we'll talk again
O no! "In the beginning WAS the Word, indeed WAS the Word WITH God, indeed WAS the Word, GOD!" John 1:1 – THE GOD “SPEAKING: TODAY IF YE HEAR HIS, VOICE!” -- the Word JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD SPEAKING, already in Genesis 3:8.
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Ah! I LOVE this: <<It just doesn't sit right with me.>> May it be a very irritating thorn in the flesh to you and to as many I pray read here!
If <this>, "Hebrews 1: 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also .... He THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE ..." 4:4."-- The Straight as straight can be and as straight from The Straight Scripture Word of God as there can be, cannot <<be the most straightforward interpretation>>, then I give up.
I do not see the need to discuss these other things with you. This thread is unruly enough as it is. I don't see how this fits into the discussion about the Sabbath.
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We all have consciences. We are born with enough of a connection with God that we know many times what is right and what isn't.
Men of good consciences who love their neighbors do good naturally. They do not need written laws. )Paul says they form a "a law unto themselves.") Written laws are for people with hard hearts or singed consciences. We will all be judged according to our deeds, good and bad.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
The problem for mankind is how children go astray, losing their natural loving nature in this cruel world. Jesus said we must find that nature again. We must return to the original nature God gave us all. We cannot blame Adam, Eve or anyone else for our failure to love God and our neighbors. We all know that is wrong, without being told.
I would not put much emphasis on "sinning in thought only." Bad thoughts cross everyone's minds. They are not sins by themselves. Jesus was tempted in all things. We have both good thoughts and bad thoughts. What we choose is what matters.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
As a matter of practicality, I find one way of getting rid of bad thoughts is to find good ones to replace them with. For example, a married man who is tempted with adulterous thoughts could go kiss his wife every time such a thought occurs. Or he could do the dishes so she has less work. He could find other ways to show her he loves her.
Wisdom as the primary key has pitfalls that charity or love doesn't. Wisdom by itself can take benevolent or malevolent forms. I think it safe to say many politicians seek "wisdom" as a way of manipulating other people and to attain power -- not to serve others, not out of love, but out of selfishness. There is a type of wisdom too that can help you acquire wealth; and if someone comes to love money more than people, his wisdom can lead him to destruction.
I must remember too that seeking wisdom led Eve astray. Do we see that today? I think we do. I think it can be observed in this very forum. People want to "know" the "secret things" of God. They do not seek the wisdom that will help them love God more or their neighbors better. They seem to think that having "the right ideas" is going to get them into the kingdom. So they seek answers for questions perhaps best unasked; and then they argue about them sometimes with animosity. I say seek the wisdom that shows us how to live better lives, showing greater love for our neighbors and for God.
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
I think you probably know what I mean; but let me give an example of seeking wisdom because we love. If you had a child with an illness, you will not like seeing him or her suffering. You want to "know" if there is anything you can do to make things better. If you can't figure it out yourself, you seek the help of a physician. The right kind of "wisdom" can heal. The right kind of "wisdom" tells us what went wrong, what we may have done to make things wrong, etc. Thus it is a wonderful type of reproving (a loving type) that changes what used to be wrong in the past into being right in the future.
Proverbs 1:20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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Thoughts are sins, Jesus said don't even lust in your heart.
You've misconstrued wisdom, don't confuse it with wordly knowledge.
Wisdom is the greatest gift of all. Nothing compares to it.
It will always protect you, and guide your ways, which is the topic of the post that i addressed.
There is no better way than to defeat evil, than with wisdom, i.e. knowing why something is classified as evil, and why God prohibits it.
After that, you will not be enticed, and you will be able to deter others from acting upon it.
Proverbs 8:1-36
8:1. Does not wisdom call, And understanding lift up her voice? 2. On top of the heights beside the way, Where the paths meet, she takes her stand; 3. Beside the gates, at the opening to the city, At the entrance of the doors, she cries out: 4. "To you, O men, I call, And my voice is to the sons of men. 5. "O naive ones, understand prudence; And, O fools, understand wisdom. 6. "Listen, for I will speak noble things; And the opening of my lips will reveal right things. 7. "For my mouth will utter truth; And wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8. "All the utterances of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing crooked or perverted in them. 9. "They are all straightforward to him who understands, And right to those who find knowledge. 10. "Take my instruction and not silver, And knowledge rather than choicest gold. 11. "For wisdom is better than jewels; And all desirable things cannot compare with her. 12. "I, wisdom, dwell with prudence, And I find knowledge and discretion. 13. "The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate. 14. "Counsel is mine and sound wisdom; I am understanding, power is mine. 15. "By me kings reign, And rulers decree justice. 16. "By me princes rule, and nobles, All who judge rightly. 17. "I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me. 18. "Riches and honor are with me, Enduring wealth and righteousness. 19. "My fruit is better than gold, even pure gold, And my yield better than choicest silver. 20. "I walk in the way of righteousness, In the midst of the paths of justice, 21. To endow those who love me with wealth, That I may fill their treasuries. 22. "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. 23. "From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth. 24. "When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no springs abounding with water. 25. "Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills I was brought forth; 26. While He had not yet made the earth and the fields, Nor the first dust of the world. 27. "When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, 28. When He made firm the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, 29. When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth; 30. Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him, 31. Rejoicing in the world, His earth, And having my delight in the sons of men. 32. "Now therefore, O sons, listen to me, For blessed are they who keep my ways. 33. "Heed instruction and be wise, And do not neglect it. 34. "Blessed is the man who listens to me, Watching daily at my gates, Waiting at my doorposts. 35. "For he who finds me finds life And obtains favor from the LORD. 36. "But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death."
The heart shows our intentions. Surely if we want to steal and would if we thought we could get away with it, that's a problem with the heart. Lusting in the heart is also a sin if the intention is there but remains unexpressed.
You did not respond to other points -- like Jesus being tempted in all things. That tells me that thoughts crossed his mind but he never entertained them in his heart.
Again you failed to address one of my points. Genesis speaks about wanting to be "wise." It's one of the first lessons in the Book.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Charity is surely the principal thing.
Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Well, that's not exactly what I meant, it's more that I think the passages reflect differently towards the speaker.
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Friend, I am not the perfect saint you expect your debater to be. I'm just me, God's problem child.
<<Written laws are for people with hard hearts or singed consciences>> ... according to <<men of good consciences who love their neighbors and do good naturally>>. Never before saw I this as clearly as today. Paul says they form a "law unto themselves".
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Understood, thank you! Resetting myself . . . and my post . . .
I'm sorry, I fear I'm getting too used to other people's bad behavior! I should have thought better of you, as you've been demonstrating better!
OK, I've editted my post to actually say something constructive, I hope!
Sorry again!
Much love!
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