Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

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bbyrd009

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Sorry, I don't eisegete Scripture.
In any case, if you have no assurance that you are saved, how much more 'stuff' will you need 'to do' before you are assured of salvation?
good question imo

but the answer, that youre maybe not gonna like so much lol
i would be referring one with that q to the Horse's Mouth as it were, and asking one to take the passage literally,
like they so want to take all the vv that seem to support their beliefs
 

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ah well then my bad, southern baptist and several other rites usually have stuff about Buried and Raised and stuff
So what does buried and raised mean to you? We are raised and seated in heaven positionally, then eventually literally.
 

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good question imo

but the answer, that youre maybe not gonna like so much lol
i would be referring one with that q to the Horse's Mouth as it were, and asking one to take the passage literally,
like they so want to take all the vv that seem to support their beliefs
I would say there is not one single iota of a thing we can do that can add to what has already been done (His death and resurrection), is doing (His present intercession for us) and will do (His rescue) and we can also throw in the indwelling Holy Spirit, the new nature imparted and His precious promises for us.
 

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So what does buried and raised mean to you? We are raised and seated in heaven positionally, then eventually literally.
(he said, with unab...)well then see, you do yet know what you will become, right
and btw do you feel like you are in heaven right now?
how are you "raised and seated?"
and what about the "buried" part?
see we goto Luby's instead, and celebrate, yeh
getting "saved"
 
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oh but buried and raised part to me means just what i implied, what the Preacher says when we are getting baptized. Ritually.
we just dont pay those words any attn, and move the "buried and raised" part into tomorrow, usually

in our desire to Become Immortal (rather than die to self, overcome the ego, whatever), we turn Christianity into the Cult of Sol, which descended from Mithraism to become accessible to females, so goes the theory
all pretty easily searchable

what did you go out into the wilderness to see, Renniks?
how did you get sucked in?
right?

a search of "Mithraism and" doesnt autocomplete for "Christianity" for nothing imo
 
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count the cost, imo, that cost-free version of "saved" that manifests only in tomorrows will only get you thief in the night i bet
nothing wrong with Apollos waters but that is for children, for Esau
imo
 
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ok, ty
(but im "dictating?")

Yes. You are dictating, I believe this or that, when I have said no such thing

Yes. You are dictating when you Label me with things, I have never said I am in agreement with.

i worshipped Apollos for forty years myself..

Well, that is your claim about you.
Doesn't mean much to me, since I have NO CLUE, WHO or WHAT..."that Apollos" IS that you worshiped for 40 years.

well, i could replay your confession here and do a comparo to Mithraism, but what would be the point if you would only be offended by it?
Ofcourse it is offensive...to have someone Label you with things you yourself have not subscribed to or declared.

way too much study prolly lol.

No clue what you study, but sounds as if you study things outside of scripture and then try to apply it to scripture.

There is one person identified in Scripture with the name Apollo...and it is not Jesus.

But surely you see that the "Good" Samaritan would have nothing whatsoever to do with any of your "beliefs"

You spend a fair amount of time saying how you do not know this and that about yourself...why do you think yourself such an authority on others?
 

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He appears in the clouds, right?
ha, so there it is, yeh?

Matt 24
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in theclouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt.26
[64] Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in theclouds of heaven.
Mark.13
[26] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.14
[62] And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

so you say

Yes, I say, the same my source says.
 

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Yes. You are dictating, I believe this or that, when I have said no such thing
oh, the Apollos thing? Nevermind then! "Rapture" can mean whatever you want it to mean ok, bad root and all. And after all White Horses are not Chariots of Fire i guess right
Yes. You are dictating when you Label me with things, I have never said I am in agreement with.
ok well dont push it ok, bc you have professed to be mithraist to the core, just like youre steeped in satans dialectic and use it solely ok. These are not things that we spring forth immune from or anything in the west, ok, and i have no doubt Yah understands and forgives you.

Apollos waters
is Yah's Design, Taken, at least probably, imo just keep with the widows and orphans and strangers and let that take care of itself maybe? You might eat the manna as you are able, which as im sure you are experiencing right now is a hard enough thing as it is yeh?

im sure you are hearing this as "you are condemned to everlasting hell" at the moment, but Yah loves you just like you are ok, and that is surely all Protestant crap installed by Norse scribes who just had no better analogy for Gehenna.

Well, that is your claim about you.
Doesn't mean much to me, since I have NO CLUE, WHO or WHAT..."that Apollos" IS that you worshiped for 40 years.
so there you go, see, just fine rigt, not knowing = doesnt exist so lets talk about something else. You dont ever have to search "Mithraism and" or anything. And now im sounding facetious i guess huh but im cereal
No clue what you study, but sounds as if you study things outside of scripture and then try to apply it to scripture.
pretty much to the exclusion of everything else, ya
You spend a fair amount of time saying how you do not know this and that about yourself...why do you think yourself such an authority on others?
well i wouldnt say authority, but denial is fairly universal, and we have the dunning-krueger effect now for an expanded explanation, although i still prefer Scripture's, so really these are just things you have professed translated into other terms. Valid terms though, ok, valid symbologies. "Jesus" died for your sins right? Jesus is "returning" to take you somewhere. Etc
There is one person identified in Scripture with the name Apollo
yes, ty (satans dialectic) so maybe ask yourself why a Greek god would be watering anything in your Christian Bible maybe? A coincidence, almost surely probably eh
 
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well, i said Scripture is not Logos, not that i dont believe Logos. Or theophneustos for that matter, great stuff, weird dialect tho. Not written like we talk im pretty sure. Sacred rather than holy, weird. Law is apparently holy though, how freaky is that
sure not saying i get it

Maybe if you quit looking to yourself and to other believers to get it, but instead ask the Lord for the eyes to see and the ears to hear, you might.

When believers share from the Word, we are all suppose to rely on Jesus Christ as our personal Good Shepherd thru the Holy Spirit in us in confirming the truth in His words.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth..... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Maybe some day, He will confirm the KJV as the Bible for you to rely on, keeping the meat in His words for you to discern good & evil by it with His help.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Thing is, you have to trust Jesus Christ that He is your personal Good Shepherd to help you "get it". And maybe then, you will believe He is God too.
 

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Sodzo...the word in the bible for "saved" mainly refers to deliverance and healings in the here and now. God is good and looks after people...both good and evil. He is showing HIS true colours by His mercy, kindness and patience.

The ship that Paul was in that was forced ashore but kept from breaking up...was a salvation work of God. Why are we not happy with that? Did all the people get eternal life? Of course not. But there is a witness there of God's provision.

But there is a religious obsession that comes with that word "saved". When the idea of a permanent salvation is mixed with the ego...you get all manner of evil things.

Taking away the guarantee of eternal success from a person is like taking drugs from a junkie...or candy from a baby. We see the result of that reaction in these threads.
 

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"You have professed to be mithraist to the core, just like youre steeped in satans dialectic and use it solely."

"you are condemned to everlasting hell" "at the moment."
 

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"You have professed to be mithraist to the core, just like youre steeped in satans dialectic and use it solely."

"you are condemned to everlasting hell" "at the moment."

Who do you think you are? Condemning members here to hell?

Is that a perk given to you for being in the "saved" crowd? I tell you...mixing salvation with the ego brings strife....not love.
 
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Maybe if you quit looking to yourself and to other believers to get it, but instead ask the Lord for the eyes to see and the ears to hear, you might.

When believers share from the Word, we are all suppose to rely on Jesus Christ as our personal Good Shepherd thru the Holy Spirit in us in confirming the truth in His words.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth..... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Maybe some day, He will confirm the KJV as the Bible for you to rely on, keeping the meat in His words for you to discern good & evil by it with His help.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Thing is, you have to trust Jesus Christ that He is your personal Good Shepherd to help you "get it". And maybe then, you will believe He is God too.

He can't, he is still ennamoured with his Greek god, Apollo, whom he worshiped for 40 years and can no longer worship him, because he thinks Apollo is Jesus.

He has openly admitted his confusion (guessing in numerous posts), but laid his confusion (probably) upon his too much studying, and is here asking others questions, so he can reply, that's ok if others say they believe in Jesus, because they are really believing in Satan and condemned to hell...(but no worries God still loves you).

:eek: A typical foot soldier for Satan.
 

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(he said, with unab...)well then see, you do yet know what you will become, right
and btw do you feel like you are in heaven right now?
how are you "raised and seated?"
and what about the "buried" part?
see we goto Luby's instead, and celebrate, yeh
getting "saved"
Perhaps you could try actually answering a question sometime. I've never even been to Luby, BTW, whatever a Luby is.