How do you know your saved??

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Seasoned by Grace said:
To me it seems like your justifying outright sin in this response. I don't see your purpose of being here if your not going to bring Glory to God.
"In ALL that you do, do to the Glory of God."
You set an ungodly example, to new or younger members, that rebelling against God is acceptable here, and justifying it is acceptable here also.
Your out of control and I wish STAFF here would properly DEAL WITH YOU with a REBUKE.

My name is Oligos

who do think you are? I am speaking the truth...in a simple honesty. But you are showing a false agenda here. And you're just getting started. I hope that many will see your true colours.

I like clarity.

And you have made your position clear.

You are susceptible and allowing evil into your own heart and mind...and then projecting that onto these boards. Are you really so naive to listen to they who PM you with slander and hatred (but falsely call that "love")? Can't you discern what is of God?

I'm amazed...

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
I believe it applies to praying for something for ourselves, that we need to wait on the Lord. And just because you don't wait on the Lord out of not knowing that you should doesn't mean you are not saved. This is more for assurance that you are saved. So if your prayers are answered, you have the assurance that you are keeping the Lord's commandments and are pleasing in His sight. But that would only be important to someone who wants to abide in Jesus as much as they possibly can. There are lukewarm Christians out there that could care less.

your out in left field

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

I'm amazed that so few can see the agenda that the enemy has brought to fruition here and in the errant churches.

Christ in you is the HOPE of glory. But that's not enough for people....a living hope is a GOOD thing. But that's not enough for the ego.

God can see the vindictiveness of they who seek to justify themselves. The purpose of bringing the HOPE we have in God is not to be attacked for this. And on a Christian site? WOW.

We are to abide FAITH, HOPE, and LOVE.

When you destroy one...they all go.

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Sodzo...the word in the bible for "saved" mainly refers to deliverance and healings in the here and now. God is good and looks after people...both good and evil. He is showing HIS true colours by His mercy, kindness and patience.

The ship that Paul was in that was forced ashore but kept from breaking up...was a salvation work of God. Whoever remained in the ship was "saved." Why are we not happy with that? Did all the people get eternal life? Of course not. But there is a witness there of God's provision.

But there is a religious obsession that comes with that word "saved". When the idea of a permanent salvation is mixed with the ego...you get all manner of evil things. (and religious obsession causes strife NOT love)

Taking away the guarantee of eternal success from a person is like taking drugs from a junkie...or candy from a baby. We see the result of that reaction in these threads.

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

stunnedbygrace said:
I have listened to people ask this man this exact same question for many years now. I finally have just understood why people ask it.

They are resisting the scriptures he brings up because if those scriptures are true, then they would have seen them be true in their own life and since they have not seen them to be true in their own life, they must not be true.

It's saying, if we abide in Him we do not sin must not be true because I still sin. Or it's like saying...no, 2+2 equaling 4 cannot be true because I only have 2 apples.

So by asking the man this question, they think if he will answer it by saying, well yes, I have sinned since receiving the Holy Spirit, that this will prove that 2+2 does not equal 4.

It's a bit like...the bluebreasted 5-toed sloth does not exist.

What do you mean it doesn't exist?? Its well documented and many men have seen it!

No. If I have not seen it, any documentation does not matter, it doesn't exist!!

it proves nothing on the other hand it says if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves the truth is not in us. 1 john 1:8 of course
romans 3:23 . Romans 6:14 is more common sense lets look at these scriptures

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. dominion ------control we will sin but it can not control us unless we allow it and nor does it make us disqualified or lose salvation. what did paul write in romans 7
2I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
our old nature is there but we have to keep it in check

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
Sodzo...the word in the bible for "saved" mainly refers to deliverance and healings in the here and now. God is good and looks after people...both good and evil. He is showing HIS true colours by His mercy, kindness and patience.

this is true in definition but we still have the scripture whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved .its qnat straining

He is showing HIS true colours by His mercy, kindness and patience

YOU left Grace out. even paul wrote in eph 2. by grace are you saved through faith

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Ezra said:
this is true in definition but we still have the scripture whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved .its qnat straining YOU left Grace out. even paul wrote in eph 2. by grace are you saved through faith

I wish you could discern God's intent in empowering us by grace to cease from sin and walk as Jesus walked...transforming the world by bringing light to the darkness.

The ego should stay out of it.

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Ezra said:
this is true in definition but we still have the scripture whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved .its qnat straining

Whoever looked at the brazen serpent in the wilderness was SAVED that day. But they subsequently perished later. So then look to God and He will save you TODAY....for the evils of TODAY. That's how we walk in the salvation of God. There is no guarantee of a one time salvation that ignores every action that follows. That is foolishness of the highest order. Yet many are brainwashed into that foolishness...and bring strife and contentions based on their stroking of the flesh. First a false teacher strokes their flesh...then they learn to stroke it themselves with a wrong use of bible verses.

But I think stroking one's flesh is a sin.

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
There is no guarantee of a one time salvation that ignores every action that follows.

ya know what no body said its a one time deal all though you are only saved/BORN AGAIN one time an done time only . the rest is true repentance

Yet many are brainwashed

yes i can see this

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
I wish you could discern

i wish you could discern period

The ego should stay out of it.

no ego amigo ALL SCRIPTURE

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Ezra said:
ya know what no body said its a one time deal all though you are only saved/BORN AGAIN one time an done time only . the rest is true repentance yes i can see this

People are not taking God seriously. MANY will say Lord Lord...but are following their own egos and flesh.

Are we better than the Jews who were rejected? No one iota better.

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
People are not taking God seriously. MANY will say Lord Lord...but are following their own egos and flesh.

Are we better than the Jews who were rejected? No one iota better.

i dont think i ever said they wasn't . there will always be those types as in reference in math 7 . there are those of us who are trying to put our best foot forward and walk with God . there is no such thing as a perfect sinless Christian. the battle between the flesh and spirit is very real. proverbs says it best Guard /keep thy heart with all diligence for out of it are the issues of life proverbs 4 :23 . we are not 10ft tall and bullet prof on our own. fact is we can live a life of holiness. this is what peter wrote 2 peter 1 ( so if He has given us all things whose fault is it?>)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Renniks · Feb 22, 2020

stunnedbygrace said:
Over and over in scripture verifies that salvation is gained by believing. Believing what?
For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
1 Thessalonians 4:14
1 Peter 1:3 literally says our hope comes from Christ's resurrection.
It's the whole basis of Christianity.

So you only need to believe He rose again? You don't have to also believe what He said about provision? You only have to believe what He said about living forever. You don't have to believe anything else He said? Do you realize that is completely different than how He dealt with Israel in the desert?[/QUOTE]

Can you believe in one without believing in the other? Is any belief complete is this life to the point where we can't doubt? The greatest saints that ever live doubted at times. Some of them suffered from terrible depression. What matters is who we believe deep down that Christ is. To trust him for everything is a ongoing process called sanctification.

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Renniks said:
To trust him for everything is a ongoing process called sanctification.

Sanctification is an instant entrance into the presence of God. Are people baptized in the Spirit slowly over decades? Of course not. So then sanctification is NOT a process. But salvation is.

So of course what people teach is exactly backwards. We come in and out of holiness...in order to learn maturity in righteousness AND to learn what is pleasing to God so we can remain in holiness.

Maturity is about being able to remain in purity..which is a gift of God.

So holiness is never earned. Sanctification is a gift.

The bible says...work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling. But it doesn't say work out your OWN sanctification...

But of course people will disagree. Why not? Humans need to voice their opinions.

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
sanctification is NOT a process.

3 steps in this. position placed in the body of Christ ( saved) progressive. we become a w.i.p growth ultimate . we made it to heaven holiness is complete

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
But of course people will disagree. Why not? Humans need to voice their opinions.

dont you disagree ?

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Ezra said:
dont you disagree ?

Only with the self-serving and ego boosting teachings that pass for doctrine these days. They make people worse not better.

Ezra · Feb 22, 2020

Episkopos said:
Only with the self-serving and ego boosting teachings that pass for doctrine these days.

since you appear to be the better one in the forum suppose you show these teachings

Episkopos · Feb 22, 2020

Ezra said:
since you appear to be the better one in the forum suppose you show these teachings

Go to...
Episkopos

Just hit "featured threads"...

CharismaticLady · Feb 22, 2020

Ezra said:
your out in left field

Why, because I actually believe what the Scriptures say?

This describes you:

14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

How do you know your saved??

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