Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

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bbyrd009

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Yes, we are raised with Christ in the here and now, is this your whole point?
Ha like hell, imo We are all evil, just like Jesus says, and after all Satan appears as an angel of light, right?

So, we say we are really raised with Christ, but then that is easy to say, many will cry Lord Lord

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QUOTE="Renniks, post: 697230, member: 8518"]Eternal life starts at salvation. But, it doesn't become complete in this life.[/QUOTE]
Well so you say, With complete confidence, but I could quote any number of verses that suggest or I guess actually pretty much demand otherwise.

There is no “other life” for it to be completed in, after all? Unless you mean the one after baptism?

You and your sons will be here with me
 
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The contention here is that the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost at our salvation born again of the Spirit moment was not to happen until Jesus was no longer present with them and the Father would send that promise at their salvation which was at the day of Pentecost for why He told them to wait. Pentecost was when they were officially saved and the church began because they all received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



Does not explain how the vessels unto dishonor are still in His House, brother, when the vessels unto honor are those who departed from iniquity.



From what was mentioned earlier in that faithful saying for why you & I are to call even former believers to repentance so they too, can obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be that vessel unto honor in His House..

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Otherwise, to be left behind and resurrected after the great tribulation is a damnation awaiting saved believers because they can never be that vessel unto honor in His House then, once that door to the Marriage Supper is shut at that pre great tribulation rapture event when God judges His House first.

Yes the Disciples about 100 + people received the Holy Spirit, on Pentacost.
Paul was not present then. Paul received the Holy Spirit later.
Paul was writing to Timothy, about what Timothy should expect in the Church where Timothy would be Preaching.

Sell the Preachers were New at Preaching Christ to Jews and Gentiles...
Paul was giving Timothy some expectations and guidance.

Surely you are aware there are believers (not Saved), Saved believers and skeptical non-believers that all congregate together in one place to HEAR...??

It's been like that from Jesus' day to this...

Glory to God,
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I am the person who has the right to spit back in the mouth of bbyrd009 , his own words...!!! Post # 234.
im sure you are hearing this as "you are condemned to everlasting hell" at the moment, but Yah loves you just like you are ok, and that is surely all Protestant crap installed by Norse scribes who just had no better analogy for Gehenna.
 

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Yeah.. all that anti KJV bigotry has done a number on you.
Ha ha well imo the KJV Was a fabulous advancement for its time, and I have no Complaints about the KJV as a historical work right now, despite its several glaring errors; “KJV only” people, not so much
Now you don't trust any vers
Well funny you say that, I could quote the verses that you are not addressing From the KJV if you think that would help, but to be honest I seriously doubt it would
 

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Anyone who wants to trust a Bible commissioned by homosexual royalty With an obvious agenda, I got no problems with that, for what it’s worth. Imo It was a great Bible for it’s time
That is one of the hypocritical anti-KJV diatribe that can be said about any modern Bible in English, right? And I am sure they repeat these anti-KJV rhetoric when the KJV is in Chinese too.

When 2 or 3 are required by practice to establish a testimony in church as the word of God 2 Corinthians 13:1 , not sure why you think over 50 KJV translators split up into 8 groups is not a Biblical way to confirm the translation of the Greek and Hebrew for the KJV.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

And all the KJV prayed about this for help from the Lord to do it right, too.

Like Easter when passover is also derived from the Chaldean origin and not Hebrew from the Greek. Jewish tradition has the days of the unleavened bread follow the specific day of the Passover. So "pasco" could not be translated as Passover and since that Herod was not a Jew, the only other public ceremony a that time was Easter for which pasco can also be applied to since it could not be the day of the Passover.

And of course, sone modern Jews would love to group the days of the unleavened bread with the day of Passover to call it altogether Passover to mess with the Christians as not having an accurate Bible in the KJV, but then that would be wrong Biblically as per the O.T. Passover is a feast which is to be entirely different than the following days of the unleavened bread for why they call it the days of the unleavened bread rather than the day of the Passover.

So while everybody thinks they are so smart in dismissing the KJV, people like bbyrd009 go to the way side. So toting leaning the Greek and Hebrew has not done bbyrd009 any favors, now has it? Cause and effect, brother. And even you seem to disregard scripture supporting any dogma or reproving any phenomenon as not of Him, so really... you should take pause and confer with the Lord Jesu Christ in what you are doing.
And the bunnies in the eggs, meh
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Ha I don’t know, good question; the life, more abundantly cult, Maybe?

You don't know by what your own cult is called, but you know what your cult stands for...and the "we" group are who, you and ?
 

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You and your sons will be here with me[/QUOTE]
So, you plan to live forever and never pass over...ok, then?
 

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The kingdom of heaven is within you, Renicks, right?
It's both within believers and in the heavenly realms.
Jesus told the Pharisees that their thinking about the kingdom was mistaken. Jesus’ first coming was to preach “the gospel of the kingdom of God” (Mark 1:14-15) and pay the penalty for mankind’s sins. Later, He would “appear a second time … for salvation” (Hebrews 9:28) and the establishment of the Kingdom of God here on earth.
The phrase translated “within you” in the KJV and NKJV is translated as “in your midst” in the NIV, NASB, and NET; “among you” in the NLT and HCSB; and “in the midst of you” in the ESV. Earlier versions of the NIV had “within you” with a marginal note suggesting “among you.” There is obviously a difference between saying “the kingdom of God is within you” and “the kingdom of God is among you.”
So it seems that what Jesus was actually saying was the kingdom wasn't far off, but among them, that is, he was bringing it.
Jesus was telling the Pharisees that He brought the kingdom of God to Earth with his presence. In fact, the incarnation means "God with us. "

One day, however, the kingdom of God will be quite literally manifest on the earth (Isaiah 35:1), and Jesus Christ will rule a physical kingdom from David’s throne (Isaiah 9:7) with Jerusalem as His capital (Zechariah 8:3).
 

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Surely you are aware there are believers (not Saved), Saved believers and skeptical non-believers that all congregate together in one place to HEAR...??

Not sure how you are applying believers to mean as not saved.

In Acts 4. there was an incident when two disciples got arrested in the middle of a group of potential believers, 5,000 in all, when after the 2 were released, these potential believers all prayed that they too would speak boldly like Peter & John, and that was when they all got born again of the Spirit when afterwards, the 5,000 became a community of new believers, selling all they had to share among the community after laying it at the apostles' feet.

I know of the incident in Acts 8, but the reason why Luke gave the background on the people and Simon was to show the fanfare that switched from Simon to Philip because of the miracles. They were following him around only to see the miracles and so believing Philip in the "things" concerning the kingdom of heaven and the name of Jesus and even getting baptized in His name for it, but they were not coming to and believing in Jesus Christ for why they were not receiving the promise of the Holy Ghost at their salvation. They were just so focus on Philip that they could not see God doing the miracles but Philip for why even later on, Simon had thought he could purchase the power of giving the Holy Spirit from Peter & John. So Luke was conveying how these potential believers were "believing" but yet Philip was in the spotlight, not Jesus Christ. So God was patient in leading them to put that spotlight on Jesus Christ to come to Him to believe in Him to be saved.

If you were inferring potential believers, then I can understand, but when any believer comes to & believes in Jesus Christ,even in His name, they are saved. John 1:12-13

It's been like that from Jesus' day to this...

Except during the days of Jesus, they could not receive the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Spirit from the Father at their salvation until Jesus had ascended and was no longer present physically with them.
 

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“Easter” and the obv fertility rites that go with it maybe? Just for openers

I already answered that; but maybe you will remember when I ask you questions to make you think.

Is the Passover and the days of the unleavened bread considered as the Passover too?

Is it considered all one feast as "some" modern Jews claim it is?

What does the Bible really say?

Leviticus 23:4 These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Now look when the arrests was made.

Acts 12:3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

"Pasco" is of the Chaldean origin that "passover" was originally translated from rather than from the Hebrew. Since Passover is BEFORE the days of the unleavened bread & you know about the other spring festival held at that time, then that Greek word of the Chaldean origin has to be applied to another event held around that time; ergo Easter. It cannot be Passover.