Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

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Eph.2:

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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
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Anyone who wants to trust a Bible commissioned by homosexual royalty With an obvious agenda, I got no problems with that, for what it’s worth. Imo It was a great Bible for it’s time

Anybody that wants to believe every anti-KJV lie and wind up like bbyrd009, you all just go right on ahead because the other part of that lie is that he changed the scripture when all you have to do to prove it is a lie is to see the verses are still in there, condemning homosexuality as an abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. KJV

Leviticus 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV

So hardly any proof of King James changing the scripture. The accusations of King James being a homosexual are false but again, you have to research it among all the slander on the internet by going to a site that address the accusations reasonably in proving it is just slander, but you ought to know it is slander just by the fact that the verses condemning homosexuality as an abomination are still in there.

Was King James a Homosexual?

And the bunnies in the eggs, meh
lol

Just believe every lie that comes your way, and you will be sorry when you see Jesus face to face.

To all Christians reading this; look at what anti-KJVonlyism has done to bbyrd009. No wonder he doubts everything scripture now.

Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

I dare say people are easily offended when they once rely on the KJV and then get offended by all that persecution and fall away as a result, and in more ways than one.
 

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Anybody that wants to believe every anti-KJV lie and wind up like bbyrd009, you all just go right on ahead because the other part of that lie is that he changed the scripture when all you have to do to prove it is a lie is to see the verses are still in there, condemning homosexuality as an abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. KJV

Leviticus 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV

So hardly any proof of King James changing the scripture. The accusations of King James being a homosexual are false but again, you have to research it among all the slander on the internet by going to a site that address the accusations reasonably in proving it is just slander, but you ought to know it is slander just by the fact that the verses condemning homosexuality as an abomination are still in there.

Was King James a Homosexual?



Just believe every lie that comes your way, and you will be sorry when you see Jesus face to face.

To all Christians reading this; look at what anti-KJVonlyism has done to bbyrd009. No wonder he doubts everything scripture now.

Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

I dare say people are easily offended when they once rely on the KJV and then get offended by all that persecution and fall away as a result, and in more ways than one.
Have you been persecuted?
 
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Heaven is real.
KJV Hebrews 11
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.....
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KJV Hebrews 11
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
 

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Reckon a miracle has to come from Him now.
i spose youre right anyway tho :)
That is one of the hypocritical anti-KJV diatribe that can be said about any modern Bible in English, right? And I am sure they repeat these anti-KJV rhetoric when the KJV is in Chinese too.
so, i'm not saying that this is fact, and i dont have any proof, ok, but you might at least allow room for your favorite xlation's deficiencies? The KJV was cutting edge when It was issued, and It is still a primary goto for verification; but It has flaws, the flaws are known, the counter-arguments are well established, etc right
As long as one is relying on a translation/s anyway, which tbh i dont quite get

but i love the KJV; it's "kjv only" ppl that i struggle to understand
 
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not sure why you think over 50 KJV translators split up into 8 groups is not a Biblical way to confirm the translation of the Greek and Hebrew for the KJV.
i aready menchend Easter right
the bunnies and eggs an all that?
k
just sayin
Like Easter when passover is also derived from the Chaldean origin and not Hebrew from the Greek. Jewish tradition has the days of the unleavened bread follow the specific day of the Passover. So "pasco" could not be translated as Passover and since that Herod was not a Jew, the only other public ceremony
emphasis mine, and yeh i have read the brochure, honest. Eggs and bunnies, bro; fertility rites. K?
 

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Like Easter when passover is also derived from the Chaldean origin and not Hebrew from the Greek. Jewish tradition has the days of the unleavened bread follow the specific day of the Passover. So "pasco" could not be translated as Passover and since that Herod was not a Jew, the only other public ceremony
emphasis mine, and yeh i have read the brochure, honest. Eggs and bunnies, bro; fertility rites. K.
I hadn't realized that the KJV had been translated into Chinese. :oops:
ha but listen to ourself now; a Hebrew or Greek/Aramaic root xlated through the Kyng's Englyshe, to Chinese?
legit translators do not do this imo
 

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There is no “other life” for it to be completed in, after all? Unless you mean the one after baptism?

You and your sons will be here with me
I came that you might have life, more abundantly

the dead know nothing

There is only One Immortal

No one
has ever
gone "up to heaven"
 

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But the serpent said to the woman: "You certainly will not die!
"in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened, and you will become like Yah" and see how, from a very broad perspective, what satan said is ezackly what came true. And they did not literally die right

now, you who claim to be literalists, _
 

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You don't know by what your own cult is called, but you know what your cult stands for...and the "we" group are who, you and ?
"everybody's here with me;
got no camera to see..."

as i said Taken imo you have a better shot than me; i thank Yah that i am like the rest of men, i hope. I am not a very nice person
 
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[QUOT

You and your sons will be here with me
So, you plan to live forever and never pass over...ok, then?[/QUOTE]
me? Plan? ha no, i dont plan. planning is for adults who know stuff and do stuff
i chase birds, mostly. both kinds. ya, that helped anyway, "plan to live forever?"
i dunno, spirit returns to Yah anyway, may amt to the same thing? moight moot the other um...ya. DMA stuff?
 
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It's both within believers and in the heavenly realms.
he said, with oh wait i might agree with that one...which might make it worse lol...brb
and pay the penalty for mankind’s sins
nice
fwiw if you go look "penalty" disappears, i think. "propitiation" is not quite the same thing.
It is a wiggle-word imo, and according to others. Long and short of it is does it mean "scapegoat" or not, really
what do you think?
:)
this is a trick q
So it seems that what Jesus was actually saying was the kingdom wasn't far off, but among them, that is, he was bringing it.
Word
 
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And they did not literally die right

Yes beloved, they literally died....

And the Creator of the universe, humbled Himself and became man to free us from that death.

Praise be to our Lord, Jesus Christ!

The truly ironic thing is that first lie 'if you eat you will certainly not die'

Has now become the lie 'did God really say eat and you shall live? Certainly not'

Peace be with you!
 
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One day, however, the kingdom of God will be quite literally manifest on the earth (Isaiah 35:1),
as long as it is called 'today'
and Jesus Christ will rule a physical kingdom from David’s throne (Isaiah 9:7) with Jerusalem as His capital (Zechariah 8:3).
he said, with...
maybe, some version of that wouldnt surprise me, doubt the literal Jesus will be there, doubt i will be there as "Mark" but then i do not yet know what i will become. Something something new name, known only which i am...yeh, thats all i got
 
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Have you been persecuted?

Whenever I say I rely only on the KJV Bible for the meat of His words, sometimes, people label me as a KJVOnylist.

Some of the lies that I have seen hurled against KJV can and has made people go to other Bible versions; thus being persecuted because of the word.

And there is a trend to dismiss all Bible versions and just go learn the Greek and Hebrew and translate from there to get their scripture.

bbyrd009 used to use the KJV before he bought into all those lies to dismiss it and for whatever the reason, all Bible versions. And regardless of the claim to fame in translating Greek and Hebrew as anti-KJVers spout, it hasn't done bbyrd009 any good, now has it?

So as much as people try to shame me for relying only on the KJV, yes, I have been persecuted, but thanks to Jesus Christ, I have been rooted in the truth in His words to not be offended. Just goes to show how much harm anti-KJVonlyism has done for people like bbyrd009.
 

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i spose youre right anyway tho :)

so, i'm not saying that this is fact, and i dont have any proof, ok, but you might at least allow room for your favorite xlation's deficiencies? The KJV was cutting edge when It was issued, and It is still a primary goto for verification; but It has flaws, the flaws are known, the counter-arguments are well established, etc right
As long as one is relying on a translation/s anyway, which tbh i dont quite get

but i love the KJV; it's "kjv only" ppl that i struggle to understand

I can ask you to discern whether or not, they can actually be considered flaws if it has not changed the truth in His words for you to go astray by.