Rev. 7- The Sealing

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Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.""Ruwach" is the Hebrew word from which our English word "wind" is translated. The word "ruwach" means spirit; therefore, the term four winds means four spirits. There is only one Holy Spirit. There are four distinct characteristics of the Holy Spirit that control the earth and man on earth. The four characteristics of the Holy Spirit are the Spirits of love, knowledge, jealousy, and wrath. The four winds bring forth these Spirits from the Old Testament and throughout the New Testament. These four winds are very important to an understanding of prophecy in these latter days. This is what we must know before the "Day of the Lord". The Day of the Lord starts at the 7th trump. This prophecy has to do with events on the earth, and not in heaven.These "four winds" , the "four spirits". These four winds are what marks the end of this earth age. They are four winds that come from all directions and focus on one point. Thus it will be "by nature and natural causes" the end will come to pass, in a spiritual sense. This is also discussed in Ezekiel 37, and Daniel 7.Revelation 7:2 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east [sun rising], having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea."The angel from the east is the angel from God. You have heard of the Seal, or the "Mark of the Beast"; well, this angel is bringing the seal, or "mark of God." This seal from the angel is "Knowledge". It is sealed, or stored in your mind, which is in your forehead. No physical part of this earth, or oceans will be hurt. The subject here is the sealing of God's elect; placing knowledge of everything that is to happen in the minds of God's elect and all those overcomers, so there will be no mystery in these events to them. When we know exactly what is to take place, Satan will not be inviting; for upon his arrival, we will know him for the cheap imitation he is, in relation to our Lord Jesus Christ. Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."This is what the angel from the east [God] said to the spirits of the four winds. The purpose here is to save the earth, the trees and vegetation, also the water and everything else, until God's elect are sealed. Until God's elect, each and every one of them completely understand the events that will take place before the seventh trumpet sounds, and Our Lord Jesus Christ returns.That seal is knowledge in the minds of the elect, placed their by the seeds of God's Word. God's Word must placed there through your studying and learning what the Holy Spirit of God reveals to you. It's time for God's elect to stop chasing shadows, and study to know God's plan for the elect, and also what He has in store for the devil [Antichrist] and his world system. We are to be a part of God's plan, but not Satan's system.Revelation 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Is'-ra-el." This seal has nothing to do with going to heaven; but it is the full knowledge of How to stand against the wiles of Satan the Antichrist. This has to take place before the "son of perdition" [Satan] sets his feet on this earth as the Antichrist. You will know how to identify Satan, from the true Christ, or you will be deceived by the Antichrist and become part of his system. Satan is that good, and the Word of God declares it before the fact.This sealing will be marked in the minds of God's elect in all the tribes of Israel. If you believe this is referring only to the Jews, then you are far off base. The "House of Israel" comprise ten of the twelve tribes, and they were scattered long ago. We know them today as the Christian nations of the Americas, Western Europe, and wherever else they migrated to, and now exist. The book of Hosea details this fact for us. These one hundred and forty four thousand [144,000] of God's elect, sealed in their minds of the events of the end times. The tribe of Joseph is also called "Ephraim", the Scriptures tell us in Genesis 48:8-27. This Scripture also tells us how the birthright of Abraham, was passed through Isaac, to Jacob [Israel], then on to Joseph's son Ephraim. The name of Israel was to be placed, and stay with the tribe of Ephraim. Ephraim is the British [Covenant] people, and the bond between Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh continues to this day [Britain and the U.S.].The omitting of the tribe of Dan here is because of the sins of the people of that tribe, as recorded in I Kings 12:25-28. It was Dan that drew the other tribes of the old "House of Israel" into idolatry.Salvation, or going to heaven is not the subject of the sealing in your mind. The 144,000 will be part of a much larger number that will also be sealed. In later chapters we will see that the "kings and queens of the ethnos" will also be sealed, they are not of Israel, but of Gentile nations. These are not royalty in this earth age, but of the millennium age. All these saints of God, as well as God's elect will know and understand the signs of the end times. The object of the sealing being done in ones mind, or receiving the knowledge of God's Word and His plan, is so you will be able to teach others in the Millennium age. (Isa. 54:13) That time starts at the sounding of seventh trumpet, which is Christ's return. Ezekiel 48 shows us that in that millennium age, the tribe of Dan will be reinstated into their inheritance, and the tribe of Ephraim will once again establish it's role as the head of all Israel. So after the sealing is completed: Revelation 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"This is after John's second vision has taken place. Only here, and in John 12:13 were palms used to glorify our Lord. The Jews used these palm branches, "and cried Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord". That is a fact, Jesus did come in the name of the Lord God Almighty.Revelation 7:10 "And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."In other words, these great numbers of people, came from all races and nations and languages on the face of the earth, and each and every one of them have been saved.
 

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Please take this as enlightenment, in the true Spirit of God's most perfect LOVE.Dan is not mentioned in Revelation, Chapter 7 as being sealed for "DELIVERANCE" and I do stress "DELIVERANCE" as that is all the seal does insure one of. Deliverance has already been given to the tribe of Dan by God's blessing through Jacob. Dan needs nothing more than God's words of this blessing, as God's words are His seal.The seal is for the assurance of "DELIVERANCE" and "DELIVERANCE" only throughout the tribulation. We are also speaking of two distinct "BRIDES" throughout the bible. The first mentioned is the "BRIDE OF GOD", the father of Christ Jesus. That bride being the nation of Israel and all of it's tribes. The second bride is the Bride of Christ Jesus, His Church.Both are far from God and Christ Jesus. Both are going to be brought back to faithfulness to God, the father, and Christ Jesus, God's only son. GOD THE FATHER AND CHRIST JESUS DO NOT SHARE THE SAME BRIDE!Thus there are two distinct groups of 144,000. The first is the Bride of God the Father, the second being the Bride of Christ Jesus. Both are sealed for deliverance throughout the tribulation. Only the sealing of the Bride of God is noted in Revelation as the Bride of Christ Jesus is simply noted as sealed to Christ Jesus and God. The sealing of the Bride of Christ Jesus has occured by the receiving of the Holy Spirit when one first believed. The seal mentions both Christ Jesus and God on the Bride of Christ Jesus to show the Father's approval, as none could come to Christ Jesus outside of God's own personal approval.The Bride of Father God is chosen just befor the tribulation begins. These are scattered throughout the present world. They do not understand, they are faithless, off serving other God's of this world. Only by seeing an unexplainable LOVE for their being able to survive these last days will draw them back to God. None of their false Gods will be seen to explain their ability to survive. Thus turning back to the God who called them apart for himself, once again. This is what the millenial temple is all about. God's Bride returning to Him in every way that was first given to honor God the Father.The Bride of Christ Jesus has been chosen as faithful. Christ Jesus has and still does the Father's will. The Bride of Christ Jesus does no less. The will of Christ Jesus throughout the tribulation is to help guide the Bride of Father God back to Him. The Bride of Christ Jesus does no less once again.Please take the time necessary to see this most perfect "LOVE" in action.Isaiah 54"Sing, O'barren woman(Israel), you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman(Israel) than of her who has a husband(Bride of Christ Jesus)," says the LORD.How will these two brides be reconciled to each other? There is a Prince from the Bride of Christ Jesus who will marry a Princess from the Bride of Father God. It's in the Psalms and just happens to be what the Song of Songs is all about.Keeping in mind the Prince of Israel who is to standup in these last days of tribulation is indeed this Prince (who is in Christ Jesus) standing up for his future bride, The Princess of Israel, who is unknowingly sealed unto God. This is a real flesh and blood reality that will play out through and beyound the tribulation where the Bride of Christ Jesus and The Bride of Father God are as one through this marriage. Both Brides will want the best, the love of God and Christ Jesus, for their children. Shouldn't we as wellThe Bride of Father God will be living and serving God alone throughout Israel proper. The Bride of Christ Jesus will be serving God in Christ Jesus throughout the whole world so the Bride of Father God does not have to forsake serving God and God(The Father of Christ Jesus)alone. We in Christ Jesus will be indeed a Kingdom of Priest to serve our Lord and God throughout the world as we will be given this task of rule and reign forever. Israel proper will faithfully serve and uphold all temple service and the laws as given to them by Moses with new pure hearts for God. We in Christ Jesus will establish a Church of pure hearts as well for God in Christ Jesus throughout the rest of the world. It is as simple as that.Please note how steadfast and true the words of God through Isaiah are. More are the children of Israel, that being due to the desire of the whole world to reside within the house of God, Israel proper, as they all are free to do, will make this possible. Please also seek out the book Ezekiel for a more fuller understanding.
 

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There is only one bride it is the church which is true Israel ..Made up of Christian/gentile and Jew these are the two sticks joined into one (Eze. 37) that make up the one bride Israel the true churchif you do not understand this fact its nearly impossable to figure out who is whom.
 

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There is only one bride it is the church which is true Israel ..Made up of Christian/gentile and Jew these are the two sticks joined into one (Eze. 37) that make up the one bride Israel the true churchif you do not understand this fact its nearly impossable to figure out who is whom.
There is but one "BRIDE OF CHRIST JESUS", the Church! There is but one "Bride of God", Israel proper.Try serving either God the Father by grace alone, and try serving Christ Jesus by fulfilling the letter of the law alone. Not possible to be the bride of either in such away. Also, unless you are of pure Jewish stock, God the Father will not at all consider you His Bride. Yet you may attach yourself to any house of Israel proper, reguardless of just who you are. However, while within Israel proper, you must obay all law except temple worship. Temple worship is for the Bride of Father God alone. Tell me just how do you plan on worshiping God if you are not His Bride. By being the Bride of Christ Jesus. Now just how did Jews of pure stock become wed to Christ Jesus. Were they within or without a husband. I dare say all in Christ Jesus had no husband till they became Christ Jesus's Bride, with His Father's approval as well.Ezekiel 37:15..The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the ISRAELITES(Bride of Father God)associated with him.'(Levi and Benjamin) Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Ephraim's stick, 'belonging to Joseph and all the house of Israel(Bride of Father God) associated with him.'(The rest if the tribes of Israel,Bride of Father God.) Join them togeather into one stick so that they will become one in your hand. This is all about the Bride of Father God, Israel!
 

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You are failing to understand who is whom There are ten lost tribes we know them as 'Ephraim's stick, 'belonging to Joseph (Eze 37)They lived in northern Israel and migrated into Scotland Ireland and Britain eventually becoming the Christian nations of today (called Israel in prophecy) Judah and (w/Benjamin and some levites) are today Jews(today's Israelites) they are always called Judah in Prophecy. They are the remaunt to preserve the Law... joining into one stick (Law and Grace) means at Christ coming for his Bride ...All those who are preservers of the Law along with those under Grace (christians) will all be joined in Christ as his bride One bride one true church The Law is joined with grace under Christ ....All 12 tribes rejoined together under Christ this is the church/the Bride.Its the same story from Gen to Rev.read my work on Eze 17 http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/6147-eze-17-who-is-true-israellost-tribes/
 

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Why are you speaking in terms as though Christ Jesus has cast His Bride aside? You are doing just that when you take the history and story of God the Father casting His Bride(Israel) out. What God the Father of Christ Jesus has to say about His Bride(Israel)is just that. Don't try and make God and Christ Jesus a liar or someone who defames one anothers wife. Jesus in no way has cast His Bride aside. The Father has cast Israel aside. What the Father has spoken against His former Bride is just that. This is nothing against the Bride of Christ what so ever. To claim all that the Father has spoken in judgment against His Bride is just that, against HIS BRIDE ALONE. However in these last days, God is calling His Bride back to Himself, and not Christ Jesus calling His Bride which He has never cast out. All these promises to Israel of restoration where made by God the Father as a former Husband to His Bride of her youth(Israel). Thus there are two brides once again mentioned in Revelation. The former Bride of God the Father(Israel), and the present Bride of Christ Jesus(The Church). True, Christ Jesus is most unhappy with many members of His Church, but in no way will they ever be cast out. The rewards for faithful service differ amoung Christ Jesus's Church members. Though once again none are cast out.What the Father has do say and how He deals with His Bride is a completly differant story, though, the Bride of Christ Jesus and the Bride of Father God, just happen to be memtioned in Revelation.The wedding supper of God is upon one and all who would dare to touch the apple of His eye, His former Bride, Israel. The wedding supper of the lamb is both for His Bride in heaven after the rapture and for His Father, on Mount Zion, where they both, God the Father and Israel, first fell in love and where they were first wed.
 

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I am speaking in no such terms why are you speaking as though God and Christ are two differnt people we have ONE GOD Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh they are NOT two differnt people he has one bride because he is ONE.
 

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This is what the bible says in Revelation 7:1"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."This is what Christina says it says:"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four spirits of the earth that the spirit should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."I do not accept this change of words for a split second. Sorry. The nicest thing I can say is that it sure does provide proof that "man's doctrines" can violate God's word.Martin W.
 

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This is what revelation 7:2+3 says:Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."Christina says it is not the seal of the living God on the foreheads of the 144,000. Her version is: That seal is knowledge in the minds of the elect, placed their by the seeds of God's WordI sure hope new christians (and old ones) do not accept this type of theology. It is error. Sorry. Revelation is difficult enough to understand without man made doctrines like this.Don't be fooled by it. Be carefull everybody.Martin W.
 

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This is what Revelation 7:4-8 says4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.Here is Christina's version: If you believe this is referring only to the Jews, then you are far off base. The "House of Israel" comprise ten of the twelve tribes, and they were scattered long ago. We know them today as the Christian nations of the Americas, Western Europe, and wherever else they migrated to, and now exist.This is an outright false teaching. Sorry. Right at this moment no one can claim to know who and where the twelve tribes are. Nobody. But we can be sure God knows. As a matter of fact he mentions them again in the second last chapter of Revelation:( Holy City, Jerusalem) ..... On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.as well as:( Holy City, Jerusalem)...... The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the LambAnyone who has just read the second last chapter of Revelation should now turn the page to the very last chapter where it says: I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book (Revelation): If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.It is a serious matter to change any part of revelation. Be carefull everybody. It has never been mandatory that we completely understand the book. It is some of the hardest scripture to make sense of. But we must not change it. We also must not overrule God and try to tell him who the 12 tribes are. He alone knows.Martin W.
 

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Does this sound like an invisible mark in somebodies mind?Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheadsAnyone on this forum think they are one of the 144,000? Maybe you are , here is the criteria. You decide.No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.These verses can be found in Revelation 14.Martin W.
 

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Does this sound like an invisible mark in somebodies mind?Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheadsAnyone on this forum think they are one of the 144,000? Maybe you are , here is the criteria. You decide.No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.These verses can be found in Revelation 14.Martin W.
With all due respect, All the verses in Revelation regarding "the right hand" and "the forehead" says the mark is written IN their right hand / forehead in my bible.Either the mark is invisible or not. If it's invisible, it's only visible to the spiritual eye. Those who know the Truth will see it...
This is what revelation 7:2+3 says:Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."Christina says it is not the seal of the living God on the foreheads of the 144,000. Her version is: That seal is knowledge in the minds of the elect, placed their by the seeds of God's WordI sure hope new christians (and old ones) do not accept this type of theology. It is error. Sorry. Revelation is difficult enough to understand without man made doctrines like this.Don't be fooled by it. Be carefull everybody.Martin W.
With all due respect, if you think Christina is wrong, tell me, how do we get the seal of God? And please document that with scriptures only and no opinions. Again my bible says IN on this matter also.
 

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Judah retained the sceptor Joseph received the birth right Christina doesnt say this God says it because you never learned it doesnt mean he didnt say it ... Does it not say Abraham would be the Father of many Nations not a nation and it can most certainly be can documented where the 10 tribes went ...as I gave you in the Eze 17 study but it is a parable in riddle so difficult to understand for the average reader ... How many times in scripture are Judah and Israel seperate ... why because they are two differnt people But we are also told they will be joined as one the church the BridePerhaps a little studying would help you understand this http://reluctant-messenger.com/judahs_sceptre_104.htm
 

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Martin, I cannot find agreement with your assertion about the seal. The problem I have with this is that yes seals can be physical, but all seals in the Bible are not physical.
II Corinthians 2:21-22Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
I'm not walking about with a seal on my forehead - at least of the last check in the mirror, anyway.Greek: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4972&t=KJVsphragizō is the Greek word. I'll pass on quoting more verses, but the link I gave contains ever instance in which the word shows up. Again, it does mean a variety of things -- physical seal included, yes -- but is by no means limited to the physical.The Greek for forehead only shows up in this single book -- the only definition is between the eyes. Clearly, it can mean either the brain (your mind) or, as you assert, your actual forehead.
Revelation 22:4And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads.
Was it not before stated for certain writers to seal up certain details? Did they write it down and close it up, or was it sealed in their mind?Did God for some reason just decide to make everything physical? Or is there more to it. The word of caution is delivered to those that believe this to be a physical seal. If the fake does show up first (and he will), and places this invisible mark in your hands and mind, how will you know? Aren't you searching for a physical mark or maybe even a chip (as some others seek)? I don't ask this to judge, but I ask this as an earnest question. The fake shows up with an obvious mark, then we have no problem -- the same when God marks his own.The book of Revelation is not confusing. It is us that sometimes become confused.
 

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This is what the bible says in Revelation 7:1"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."This is what Christina says it says:"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four spirits of the earth that the spirit should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."I do not accept this change of words for a split second. Sorry. The nicest thing I can say is that it sure does provide proof that "man's doctrines" can violate God's word.Martin W.
??????????My quote of Rev.7:1 said winds not spirit I said the word that we get the English word wind from means spiritexact quote is if you would like to reread it :Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
 

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I am speaking in no such terms why are you speaking as though God and Christ are two differnt people we have ONE GOD Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh they are NOT two differnt people he has one bride because he is ONE.
Wow, amen Christina!!!
 

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FEAST OF LIGHTS/December 26, 2005About 2AM CST, I was awoke by two heavenly hosts. They had need to roust me due to the fact I was asleep face down on my bed. The one closest to me held what appeared to be a branding iron, the other a writers kit, pen and note pad. I instantly sized them up as spiritual beings, thus tested them to confirm that they were sent by God, and was given that they had work to do, sealing, unto God in Christ Jesus.After they departed I arose to check the scriptures and the internet as well for conformation. I did know of this in Revelation, so not much of a search was needed though no date in scripture was given. Keying this into my internet search yielded several hits from those stating they had prophetic insight from God that this event was to take place durning this Feast of Lights, as these are known by God as Sons of Light. It is most easy for me to know just who they are by being one of them, thus as I know myself, I know alot about these others as well. Deciples of God in Christ Jesus. Those who personally forsake all the world has to offer save for the gift of GOD, HIS LOVE, CHRIST JESUS.The apostles were Christ Jesus's first dediples, they are in that number and their duty assignments are given in scripture as well, judges over the twelve tribes of Isreal. My assignment and others as well are given in scripture also. God knew all before the heavens and earth were created. How many knew God as well, as his first ceations, Sons of Light, as in "Let there be light."? Besides myself, I knew of many though not personally at that time as we were given various task assignments of God's will to be done upon this earth in the due course of time, which is in God's hands alone. I do know I was the last Son of Light God created. Many went forth before I arrived, there were still others yet waiting to be sent as I departed. The assignment I was sent forth to do of God's will upon the earth was blocked from my hearing by God, thus not knowing what I was sent forth to do. This will help you find me in scripture. The last will be first, and the first will be last will aid you as well. Focus on the prophecies of the last days and 'JUDGMENT'.
 

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No offense Im sure you believe what you are saying ...but sense two brides two Gods and many other things you have said are not in Gods Word ... I think faith based on a dream that condradicts Gods Word is to far out their for me to give much credence to. I'll put my faith in his Words thanks. My best advice to you is Beware of false prophets for many will come in my name 2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.