Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

ScottA said:

You pit one scripture against another (God against God), but cannot and have not reconciled every word.

In 1 John 1:5-10, John is speaking of those who are not saved (our topic in this thread). And it is John who also clarifies that those He is referring to in 1 John 1:5-10 "do not know Him", which he emphatically states in 1 John 3:6.

...So, I have reconciled each of the scriptures for you, while you have quoted scripture in the same way Satan does. Excellent.

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No - I don't pit Scripture against itself. ALL Scripture harmonizes. It's YOU who cherry-picks and tries to pit Scripture against itself.
I merely showed you the context of 1 John 1 so you would understand what is being said.

Context is never the friend of a cherry-picker like you . . .

bbyrd009 said:

Imo The place is obviously a spiritual one, as clarified in the many other scriptures that I have quoted that you don’t address, plus many others. Doesn’t mean you aren’t welcome to believe in a literal future heaven so that you may possibly become an immortal someday After you have died if you like, but I suggest That a holistic view of scripture does not support the position, Even as I accept that you will not engage with the relevant verses
There is only one immortal, No one has ever gone up to heaven, you and your sons will be here with me, if you dig a pit for others you end up in it yourself, your bargain with the grave will not stand, and I could fill the page if you like. Is there any reason you are not prepared to take these literally?

Now being as how you express a desire to take scripture literally, I have some other scriptures that I suggest you are not taking literally at all, would you like to take a look at those, Because the ones up there are just the tip of the iceberg imo

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We could go back and forth all day with scriptures that appear to contradict each other. Yet you comes yourself that you don't know what takes place after you due it what you shall become, at the same time disavowing all knowledge of scriptures that do reveal at least in part am answer to those questions.
Only one immortal? Absolutely. We are not naturally immortal. Only God is immortal. That does not necessarily mean that God cannot confer eternal life upon His children as a gift.

None have every gone up to heaven... At the time of speaking yeah, I can go with that. But Paul himself did. And those first fruits presented to the Father at the time of the Resurrection did. And the promises of God, although conditional, are still valid regarding eternal life... Not necessarily in heaven all that time because we have a new Earth to look forward to.

You and your son's will be here with me... Reference and context needed there please.

The other two... One I don't see the relevance, the last, not familiar with it.

bbyrd009 said:

should be pretty obvious now i guess that "saved" means whatever we want it to mean

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Only if you don't follow God's Word.

bbyrd009 said:

how did we become convinced that Yah cares what we "Believe?"
i tell you that a nefarious re-write was undertaken,
as it is impossible to please Yah except by faith right

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so I have question. Read before God doesn’t care what we believe. That we are not judged by our beliefs but only by faith. It is a difficult question but suicide bombers believe they are killing crowds for their faith. Their faith so great they will sacrifice their life for their faith. Does that mean God will judge them by the amount of faith and not their belief?

bbyrd009 said:

should be pretty obvious now i guess that "saved" means whatever we want it to mean

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That's what you were hoping to accomplish with this thread. But it won't work.

Now instead of constantly guessing, why don't you buckle down to some serious study of the Bible, and stop your foolish diatribes.

BreadOfLife said:

No - I don't pit Scripture against itself. ALL Scripture harmonizes. It's YOU who cherry-picks and tries to pit Scripture against itself.
I merely showed you the context of 1 John 1 so you would understand what is being said.

Context is never the friend of a cherry-picker like you . . .

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You're kidding yourself. I put both scriptures side by side in reconciling them for all to see the truth, and all you can do is call me names. You reveal yourself and your true nature.

bbyrd009 said:

after the definition of eternal has been changed to "forever" anyway look, i wish you the best in your quest for immortality after death, ok? May your ego live on in perpetuity, the very thing we are called to defeat eh

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Right... So we...His children!... Are resurrected too die again. Never again to exist... Okay... Sounds logical.

bbyrd009 said:

google can help, essentially the dead samuel (accepted) speaking to saul (rejected) through the Witch of Endor

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Uh huh... So . Ummm, who was it actually that came up? After God had refused to talk to Saul, neither by prophet or priest, dream or vision, He actually allows some witch to raise Samuel? You really believe that men have the power to raise the dead that they may talk with us? Sorry bro, but your understanding of theology is leading you into very strange fields when you start to believe in spiritualism as a basis for your doctrines. That wasn't Samuel. And Saul and his sons were not destined to spend their future with demons.