Is Satan In Heaven?

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 10 2009, 02:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72267
Before Christ's death on the cross, Satan was free to walk from Heaven to Earth, back and forth. And we are shown that in the book of Job.After Christ's death, Satan is bound to stay in Heaven until the appointed time.
I appreciate your zeal for understanding for I also have zeal to know all that I can. I can not agree with your statement of Satan being bound in Heaven after Christ's death. Satan is here and very busy with the earth just as he was with Job. The one sentence from the apostle Peter states Satan is still here on earth doing the same thing he did when Job was here.I Peter 5:8 Be self-controlled and ALERT, your enemy, THE DEVIL prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. RESIST HIM, standing firm in the faith. Because you know your brothers through out the world are under going the same kind of sufferings. Jordan, Peter has made it very clear that we as Christians are faced with the devil who is prowling around the earth looking for whom he can devour, as in Job's time and in our time now. Satan is not bound in heaven as we have proof of that from Peter's statement. When Christ comes he will then bound Satan and throw him into outer darkness, the Abyss, reserved for him till the 1000 yrs are up. Sincerely Vickie

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 10 2009, 02:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72267
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What did Christ conquer on the cross ? Death and sin, Who brought death and sin ? Satan Satan is himself called death and sin .... Satan was free to roam the earth and heaven before Christs death on the cross With the death of Christ Satan himself was for all intensive purposes conquered he is now held in heaven..by the power of God and Michael ..Satan is the prince of the air.... His evil spirits his demons, currently roam the earth Satan himself does not ... Anyone seen the most beautiful angel ever created roaming the earth ?? He is not an ugly demon as the movies imply he is so beautiful so knowledgeable he was so filled with pride he thought he should be God himself ...anyone seen him ???????? No he is held in heaven accusing night and day ...He is held in heaven until the appointed time he will then war with Michael and be kicked from heaven given the key to pit where he will release his fallen angel (locust army) Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and nightRev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. It is not Chris and Jordan who say this scripture says it .......Men in hollywood say differnt ... Men who are often confusing Satan's evil spirits,demons and tares ..... as being Satan himself say differnt .... But these are not the same as Satan Himself ....

QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 10 2009, 04:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72278
I appreciate your zeal for understanding for I also have zeal to know all that I can. I can not agree with your statement of Satan being bound in Heaven after Christ's death. Satan is here and very busy with the earth just as he was with Job. The one sentence from the apostle Peter states Satan is still here on earth doing the same thing he did when Job was here.I Peter 3:8 Be self-controlled and ALERT, your enemy, THE DEVIL prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. RESIST HIM, standing firm in the faith. Because you know your brothers through out the world are under going the same kind of sufferings. Jordan, Peter has made it very clear that we as Christians are faced with the devil who is prowling around the earth looking for whom he can devour, as in Job's time and in our time now. Satan is not bound in heaven as we have proof of that from Peter's statement. When Christ comes he will then bound Satan and throw him into outer darkness, the Abyss, reserved for him till the 1000 yrs are up. Sincerely Vickie
Vickie, Where is Satan at on Earth if he is not currently in Heaven? Have you seen the most beautiful angel on Earth?In order for Christ to throw him to the pit, Satan himself has to be here on Earth for exact 5 months. (Revelation 9:5, 10)

Hi Christina, I have read you stand about Satan, being in heaven, and your presentations are always well written and very clear for no one to be mistaken in what your point is. I do enjoy reading your post. I posted with Jordan why I find fault with that theory. Peter says Satan is here and roaming the earth looking for whom hecan devour doing the same thing he was doing when Job was here. I Peter 5:8-9 This verse alone tells me that Satan is here and therefore I can only agree to what I read in the bible. Sincerely VickieQUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 10 2009, 04:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72281
Vickie, Where is Satan at on Earth if he is not currently in Heaven? Have you seen the most beautiful angel on Earth?In order for Christ to throw him to the pit, Satan himself has to be here on Earth for exact 5 months. (Revelation 9:5, 10)
Hi Jordan, I Put the wrong chapter # it is I Peter 5 not I Peter 3 verse 8 and 9 read it please. Vickie

Vickie with all due respect, that is not what the verse says it never says Satan is on earth I Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour:"To "be sober" is to be sensible, and to be "vigilant" is to be aware and sincere in what you are doing. Be ready for those things that could come against you, and not stumbling around in a fog. It is to have that alarm set and ready to go off when the world would come against you. Remember that our adversary is Satan the devil, and his sole mission is to trip you up and accuse you before the throne of God. The "adversary " is one of the names of Satan, the devil. Job tells us that Satan is right there in heaven before the throne of God accusing us of the things that we do. However When you repent in Jesus name, you have the power over Satan and all his realm, so take that power and use it. He has to go when you tell him to go. I Peter 5:9 "Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world."This is why we have the gospel armor on and in place for, to resist steadfast in the faith. I Peter 5:10 "But the God of all grace, Who hath called us unto His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you."He is in heaven walking about accusing us Night and Day ... His evil spirits his tares his demons are on earth we battle against PricipalitiesHe will be walking about on earth soon and he is who we will be battling as Antichrist ...

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 10 2009, 04:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72281
Vickie, Where is Satan at on Earth if he is not currently in Heaven? Have you seen the most beautiful angel on Earth?In order for Christ to throw him to the pit, Satan himself has to be here on Earth for exact 5 months. (Revelation 9:5, 10)
Job did not see Satan, from what I read in Job, we don't see demons when they come out of people to my knowledge, I could be wrong.I only believe what is written in the bible. When I get to something that is not clear, I simple realized I don't have all the answers or they are still in the bible and I have to find them. You can also say that with Satan already is here and has never left, therefore it is here that Satan is removed. Revelation speaks of his removal by Christ. It is my hypothesis the man who received Satan's powers and throne is the one thrown down from heaven, but, because God is not clear inall of it, I choose to not to be to concerned with it, it will all be made known soon. Sincerely Vickie

Hello Christina I Peter 5:8-9 You may read it one way and I another, I read it and for me it is Satan is here on earth. For you Satan is still in heaven, that is okay with me.I know Satan has sin in him and can not be in heaven where HOLINESS is. God can not have sin in his dwelling. 2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to HELL, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on it ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness and seven othersGod tells us much in the verses and all the angels called demons who sinned have been placed in Hell, wouldn't that be EARTH? Sincerely Vickie

QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 10 2009, 04:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72288
Hello Christina I Peter 5:8-9 You may read it one way and I another, I read it and for me it is Satan is here on earth. For you Satan is still in heaven, that is okay with me.I know Satan has sin in him and can not be in heaven where HOLINESS is. God can not have sin in his dwelling. 2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to HELL, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on it ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness and seven othersGod tells us much in the verses and all the angels called demons who sinned have been placed in Hell, wouldn't that be EARTH? Sincerely Vickie
The Greek word for that "Hell" is tartaroo. Tartaroo is only written in the bible one time. It's not what you think it is. And no, Hell is not on Earth as we are in...

QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 10 2009, 12:36 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72234
I personaly think this is a silly question. However, there are views that I've never heard of Let's discuss them. Maybe Christina and Jordan want to start this out with some scriptural proof.
I hope you won't think this is a silly answer, WhiteKnuckle, but as well as having access to God in heaven, Satan dwells wherever he is made welcome.Revelation 2:12-13 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things says He who has the sharp sword with two edges; (13) I know your works, and where you dwell, even where Satan's seat is: and you hold fast my name, and have not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells."John 13:26-27 "Jesus answered, He it is to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when He had dipped the sop, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. (27) And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus to him, What you doest, do quickly."James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."It is acceptable to refer to Satan, or any of his other names, when describing manifestations of his evil influence. Matthew 16:23 "But He turned, and said to Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan; thou art an offense to me: for thou savorest not the things that are of God, but those that are of men."1Peter 5:8-9 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour: (9) Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world."Revelation 3:9 " Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved you."Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."Ephesians 6:16 "Above all, taking the shield of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the fiery darts of the wicked."I know of people who, at different times, have been personally visited both by angels of God, and the devil in one of his many guises. Luke 4:1-14 "And Jesus being full of the Holy Spirit, returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, (2) Being forty days tempted by the devil. And in those days he ate nothing; and when they were ended, he was afterward hungry. (3) And the devil said to him, If thou art the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. (4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (5) And the devil taking him up upon a high mountain, showed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. (6) And the devil said to him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered to me, and to whomsoever I will, I give it. (7) If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. (8) And Jesus answered and said to him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (9) And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said to him, If thou art the son of God, cast thyself down from hence. (10) For it is written, He will give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: (11) And in their hands they will bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. (12) And Jesus answering, said to him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. (13) And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. (14) And Jesus returned in the power of the spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the surrounding region."

QUOTE (Stumpmaster @ Apr 10 2009, 07:57 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72298
...Matthew 16:23 "But He turned, and said to Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan; thou art an offense to me: for thou savorest not the things that are of God, but those that are of men."...
There are those that believe this passage means that Satan is "in heaven" held behind Christ by Michael. The word "get behind me" as used in Matthew 16:23., also has the meaning of "take your place below me" ie, "I am in charge here not you." Christ is not telling Satan to go directly to jail. He is telling Satan his proper place in the ranks of authority.Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get(G5217) thee behind(G3694) me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. G5217ὑπάγωhupagōhoop-ag'-oFrom G5259 and G71; to lead (oneself) under, that is, withdraw or retire (as if sinking out of sight), literally or figuratively: - depart, get hence, go (a-) way.G5259ὑπόhupohoop-o'A primary preposition; under, that is, (with the genitive) of place (beneath), or with verbs (the agency or means, through); (with the accusative) of place (whither [underneath] or where [below]) or time (when [at]): - among, by, from, in, of, under, with. In compounds it retains the same genitive applications, especially of inferior position or condition, and specifically covertly or moderately.G3694ὄπίσωopisōop-is'-oFrom the same as G3693 with enclitic of direction; to the back, that is, aback (as adverb or preposition of time or place; or as noun): - after, back (-ward), (+ get) behind, + follow.G3693ὄπισθενopisthenop'-is-thenFrom ὄπις opis (regard; from G3700) with enclitic of source; from the rear (as a secure aspect), that is, at the back (adverb and preposition of palce or time): - after, backside, behind.Satan is still going "to and fro. " Unfortunately he does not wear a name tag and he blends in just like his children.

QUOTE (Vickie @ Apr 10 2009, 02:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72288
Hello Christina I Peter 5:8-9 You may read it one way and I another, I read it and for me it is Satan is here on earth. For you Satan is still in heaven, that is okay with me.I know Satan has sin in him and can not be in heaven where HOLINESS is. God can not have sin in his dwelling. 2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to HELL, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on it ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness and seven othersGod tells us much in the verses and all the angels called demons who sinned have been placed in Hell, wouldn't that be EARTH? Sincerely Vickie
I hope you understand I would not bother to make a big deal of this of it were not of the UTMOST importance to all ..... understanding this can literally make the differance of some being saved and some losing their souls so understand its not you personally I am addressing Do you remenber Lazerous ? Where was he ? he could see heaven ....there is a gulf that can not be crossed over without God permission ..Now I do not know exactly where in heaven Satan is held but scripture says he is there ... Do you really think God intended for us to ignore all the scripture he gives us telling us where Satan is and what he is doing just to base our understanding on how one reads a scripture or two ? It in fact causes a contradiction and Gods word has no contrdictions if one causes one they have something wrong. Now God spent much time and many scriptures telling us How and when and why Satan would come to earth and what he will do ... I cannot dismiss them all and I would hope you could come to see this ... or at least open your mind to possiabiltySatan is the beast that was (was here) is not (is not here ) is to come (will be here)

QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 10 2009, 09:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72303
I hope you understand I would not bother to make a big deal of this of it were not of the UTMOST importance to all ..... understanding this can literally make the differance of some being saved and some losing their souls so understand its not you personally I am addressing Do you remenber Lazerous ? Where was he ? he could see heaven ....there is a gulf that can not be crossed over without God permission ..Now I do not know exactly where in heaven Satan is held but scripture says he is there ... Do you really think God intended for us to ignore all the scripture he gives us telling us where Satan is and what he is doing just to base our understanding on how one reads a scripture or two ? It in fact causes a contradiction and Gods word has no contrdictions if one causes one they have something wrong. Now God spent much time and many scriptures telling us How and when and why Satan would come to earth and what he will do ... I cannot dismiss them all and I would hope you could come to see this ... or at least open your mind to possiabiltySatan is the beast that was (was here) is not (is not here ) is to come (will be here)
Hello sister, Time is of the essence with the End so near, I agree with you on that, for sure. There is so much none of us know the fullness because God said the veil would be lifted when he comes at the wedding banquet. Isaiah 25:9 I am having some issues whether I should be on this site, as you all don't know me very well, nor do I know any of you very well and I have some difference in the views I hold, which I am not willing to move from. And I do not above all things what to bring anger, hurt, or insults to anyone here and cause sin. This I am more concerned with than anything else. I pushed aside all teachings and depend totally on verses explaining other verses solely. I do not have all the verses in completeness and don't expect to for Christ said we wouldn't. But I am seeing things that I hold dear to me, and as you hold that which is dear to you. We both LOVE JESUS. But we must also LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Satan's whereabouts is not an importance for me, for I believe a man will be receiving his powers for an hour. You believe Satan is going to be that man. We both know the events, so to try to convince the other is not the objective as far as I am concerned. The event is going to surface here very quickly and being prepared for the opposition that is coming if far greater for me personally. You and many others are aware of this opposition the Saints will be faced with and that is the most important thing to beware of. The rest will work itself out as we go through the birth canal. It really has come to my attention, to be extremely careful in not insulting different beliefs from mine. To sin against the Holy Spirit by letting evil come from me is more dangerous and costly. Whether you grasp the fullness of this or not, I do, and therefore it is directed to me, not to do it. I don't mind giving verses why I believe and understand what I do, but if it my response to others causes sin, then I have not won, but lost blessings, that come from God. Thanks Vickie

I certainly dont want you to feel like you should not be here ... I agree we have some very differnt believes I will debate scripture with you but it is never met to be personal ..I see it as two strong women with two strong opinions ... that doesnt mean we can not learn from each other My view is Gods Word only says one thing it doesnt say two or three things all beliefs are not right only his is ..His Word doesnt have contrdictions for the very reason a contradiction tells us we are misunderstanding something along the line If any of us is truly interested in Gods Word... our own opinions/beliefs are not as important as his scripture, his Words ... I feel if I see something in scripture its my duty to share it If that challenges any ones preconceived idea ...thats OK it drives us deeper into his Word to find his one truth... I dont think we have to be cruel to each other to do that ... I would rather when we disagree we turn to the entire scripture to find the truth together ... Thats why we call this a bible study site as opposed to just another Christian site ... Its not for all ..we know that ... We try not to beat anyone up for their beliefs ... but when ones belief can be disproved in scripture ..We will point it out ...you do not have to believe it ... We can accept that as God grants wisdom as he see's fit..... Its true many can not handle having their beliefs challenged so it does get heated around here at times ... But our view is Gods Word trumps all else .. However Our believes are always changing as we grow and learn but Gods Word never changes ... It is this never Changing one and only truth we seek ... Its our hope others feel the same, that what we believe today isnt as important as What God will teach us tomorrow ....

Lovely post you have there Christina. It fill my heart with joy. And I hope the same goes with you Vickie. We love having people here in this site to be honest.

QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 11 2009, 12:14 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72280
What did Christ conquer on the cross ? Death and sin, Who brought death and sin ? Satan Satan is himself called death and sin .... Satan was free to roam the earth and heaven before Christs death on the cross With the death of Christ Satan himself was for all intensive purposes conquered he is now held in heaven..by the power of God and Michael ..Satan is the prince of the air.... His evil spirits his demons, currently roam the earth Satan himself does not ... Anyone seen the most beautiful angel ever created roaming the earth ?? He is not an ugly demon as the movies imply he is so beautiful so knowledgeable he was so filled with pride he thought he should be God himself ...anyone seen him ???????? No he is held in heaven accusing night and day ...He is held in heaven until the appointed time he will then war with Michael and be kicked from heaven given the key to pit where he will release his fallen angel (locust army) Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and nightRev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. It is not Chris and Jordan who say this scripture says it .......Men in hollywood say differnt ... Men who are often confusing Satan's evil spirits,demons and tares ..... as being Satan himself say differnt .... But these are not the same as Satan Himself ....
Christina,I think those scrpitures show that satan was thrown out of heaven with other angles who rebeled with him.Ami

QUOTE (ami @ Apr 11 2009, 01:20 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72334
QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 10 2009, 04:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72280
What did Christ conquer on the cross ? Death and sin, Who brought death and sin ? Satan Satan is himself called death and sin .... Satan was free to roam the earth and heaven before Christs death on the cross With the death of Christ Satan himself was for all intensive purposes conquered he is now held in heaven..by the power of God and Michael ..Satan is the prince of the air.... His evil spirits his demons, currently roam the earth Satan himself does not ... Anyone seen the most beautiful angel ever created roaming the earth ?? He is not an ugly demon as the movies imply he is so beautiful so knowledgeable he was so filled with pride he thought he should be God himself ...anyone seen him ???????? No he is held in heaven accusing night and day ...He is held in heaven until the appointed time he will then war with Michael and be kicked from heaven given the key to pit where he will release his fallen angel (locust army) Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and nightRev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. It is not Chris and Jordan who say this scripture says it .......Men in hollywood say differnt ... Men who are often confusing Satan's evil spirits,demons and tares ..... as being Satan himself say differnt .... But these are not the same as Satan Himself ....
Christina,I think those scrpitures show that satan was thrown out of heaven with other angles who rebeled with him.AmiAmi, you are correct on that. But Satan is going to be kicked out in the future as this is a future event.

QUOTE (tomwebster @ Apr 10 2009, 08:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72299
There are those that believe this passage means that Satan is "in heaven" held behind Christ by Michael. The word "get behind me" as used in Matthew 16:23., also has the meaning of "take your place below me" ie, "I am in charge here not you." Christ is not telling Satan to go directly to jail. He is telling Satan his proper place in the ranks of authority.Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get(G5217) thee behind(G3694) me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. G5217ὑπάγωhupagōhoop-ag'-oFrom G5259 and G71; to lead (oneself) under, that is, withdraw or retire (as if sinking out of sight), literally or figuratively: - depart, get hence, go (a-) way.G5259ὑπόhupohoop-o'A primary preposition; under, that is, (with the genitive) of place (beneath), or with verbs (the agency or means, through); (with the accusative) of place (whither [underneath] or where [below]) or time (when [at]): - among, by, from, in, of, under, with. In compounds it retains the same genitive applications, especially of inferior position or condition, and specifically covertly or moderately.G3694ὄπίσωopisōop-is'-oFrom the same as G3693 with enclitic of direction; to the back, that is, aback (as adverb or preposition of time or place; or as noun): - after, back (-ward), (+ get) behind, + follow.G3693ὄπισθενopisthenop'-is-thenFrom ὄπις opis (regard; from G3700) with enclitic of source; from the rear (as a secure aspect), that is, at the back (adverb and preposition of palce or time): - after, backside, behind.Satan is still going "to and fro. " Unfortunately he does not wear a name tag and he blends in just like his children.
Excellent post, Tom. I grew up in a family of six and we were taught at a young age to say, "Get thee behind me Satan", whenever we were tempted to do something wrong. I have to chuckle about the harmless incidents of play I remember when this was applied.

QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 11 2009, 12:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72332
I certainly dont want you to feel like you should not be here ... I agree we have some very differnt believes I will debate scripture with you but it is never met to be personal ..I see it as two strong women with two strong opinions ... that doesnt mean we can not learn from each other My view is Gods Word only says one thing it doesnt say two or three things all beliefs are not right only his is ..His Word doesnt have contrdictions for the very reason a contradiction tells us we are misunderstanding something along the line ...
Thanks Christina. My fear is of God and going against Him in debating verses, that it becomes sin, when there is no love continuing when there is differences. This is the greater chance of Sin being born. God said don't do it . Every forum I go to has certain areas that give birth to the children sinning from making insults to the children who profess Jesus that don't agree with their understandings. My understandings are very different from the many teachings of Christ. I do not feel compelled that anyone should come to my understanding, but I grow stronger in my understanding as I speak it on forums bringing verses that speak what I am being lead to understand. My unwillingness to take any verse and have it embellished with doctrines has removed me from the category of many things taught from doctrines backed up by verses in the bible. I have to proceed with great caution and am willing to accept doctrines only when the verses speak that doctrine exclusively. My stand on this has frustrated many teachers and it is very difficult for teachers on issues like the lost tribes to understand the only way I can accept that teaching is if God says it in His verses he has lost them or they have been scattered to not know who they are. I have not found one verse yet that reveals this doctrine, so I can not accept they don't know who they are, when Judah absolutely knows who they are and Benjamin and Levi, so why would there be such a terrible sense of not knowing you belong to God by this teaching. Very sad.Thanks for letting me share these things that are a part of me. I am sure there are many who come here that have their understandings and they like me like to share, but don't want to be attacked or insulted for their lack of agreement. Challenging these doctrines are all well and good if when the two are set in opposition, they still remain in the love of Christ is a must, or it is against the LORD who is building the HOUSE of GOD. To destroy the house of God is sin and a fierce expectation of judgment will come on any of us who do this. For this reason alone I need to be very cautious in debating. Let's see how things go, I do enjoy debating with all of you, I just don't want to make it sin. Or too make any of you sin because of my beliefs. It is better to love than to destroy the house that God is building. Vickie QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 11 2009, 01:06 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72333
Lovely post you have there Christina. It fill my heart with joy. And I hope the same goes with you Vickie. We love having people here in this site to be honest.
Thank you Jordan, I enjoy being in discussion with the children of God.