The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

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marksman

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I do not parrot doctrine, it is written on my heart through dwelling in Christ.
Funnily I am not here to win an argument, but to testify to Gods word and invite those who believe God, to ask, to seek and God promises He will answer.

The irony is, God will testify and God will confirm His word planted in His people.
As He declares

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:27-28

I wonder what you regard as being 100% right. I have spent now 4 years discussing with believers on forums various aspects of our theology and faith. What shocked me was I would see a particular aspect of our walk, and then construct a way of expressing this. To my surprise I found I used the same words and emphasis that the apostles and new testament writers used. It suddenly struck me they were in a similar position as myself, which I never expected.

My point about positions and opinions is simply these discussions are not our own, but shared with the whole body of Christ. And our conclusions in Christ are to His glory as we are called His people, called by His name to testify to His eternal purposes.

Thank you marksman for sharing your experience and resume. My aim is not to win an argument but to share of door God gives His people through gifts of the Holy Spirit to give testimony to His presence and glory and witness to His Kingdom. If you praise God, walk in righteousness and testify to the gospel, Amen, God bless you

Thank you marksman for sharing your experience and resume. My aim is not to win an argument but to share of door God gives His people through gifts of the Holy Spirit to give testimony to His presence and glory and witness to His Kingdom.

Sorry but you are deluded. The Holy Spirit has nothing at all to do with the hypercriticism you spread all around these pages. If that is the Holy Spirit then I am the man in the moon.
 

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You are right that I cannot convince any one, but I hope in Him that God may be peradventuring to recover some from this snare of the devil.

Reminding believers of our faith in Jesus Christ that we have been always Spirit-filled since our salvation at the calling of the gospel is keeping the faith which is the good fight in the face of apostasy that is denying we are always Spirit-filled as if we are leaky vessels and thus committing spiritual adultery in chasing after spirits to receive after one sign or another.

The warnings to saved believers are in the scripture, and the saints that are involved in the holy laughter movement has not bothered to show why those warnings in scripture do not apply to them. In fact, it would be hard for them in being able to apply those warnings at all.



2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

That is why no visit from God is required when He is in us and is with us always. That means you too, bro. That is how you know when any spirit "visits", that is not the Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

May God wake you up, because I know I cannot.

You could have fooled me. You have spent all your time on here rubbishing anything supernatural and have tried to convince everyone that you are right and everyone else is wrong. That is what I would consider as trying to wake people up. Whereas your constant criticism had almost sent us to sleep and get responses of "Oh no, not him again trying to rubbish what the Holy Spirit is doing."

Face facts, you have a one set mind. If it is supernatural it is not of God. if it's not supernatural then it is of God. if you want to serve a God that is dead, be my guest. It does not bother me one little bit. What does bother me is that you set yourself up as some sort of authority on the subject but you do not have the ability to see that what you say in your hypercriticism has fallen on deaf ears as we know different through teaching and experience but you are too stupid to realise this so you keep on pontificating in the hope we are all going to say "woe is me for I am undone because I believe that God is a God of miracles and the supernatural but in fact, I should ditch this idea as enow knows more than I do and has a hotline on truth from God so he can't be wrong. :confused::eek: Seen any pigs flying lately?
 

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I am reminded about a case that I read about in autobiography that took place in Africa. Two nurses were on mission work in a local hospital and a mother came up to them with her dead baby in her arms. She said "My son is dead. I have taken him to witch doctors and they can do nothing but if your god can bring him to life I will follow him all my life."

The nurses were a bit flummoxed because they had never done this sort of thing before. They decided there was nothing to be lost by praying for the dead baby so they prayed for him to come back to life. The baby stirred and in a few moments, he was alive again.

The mother was overjoyed and she showed up at the next Sunday meeting at the church.

Now I know there are some who do not believe this ever happened or that the baby wasn't really dead or he was only asleep or the mother was telling a lie or the nurses made up the story to get more money for their endeavors and so on and so on but that is their problem, not mine and they will have to argue it out with God to be able to maintain their immaculate perception.
 

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Thank you marksman for sharing your experience and resume. My aim is not to win an argument but to share of door God gives His people through gifts of the Holy Spirit to give testimony to His presence and glory and witness to His Kingdom.

Sorry but you are deluded. The Holy Spirit has nothing at all to do with the hypercriticism you spread all around these pages. If that is the Holy Spirit then I am the man in the moon.

Are you part of the group where speaking truth is hypercriticism? Once any group, literally any group, secular, business, political, religious starts to deny truth and is critical of people speaking to truth, that is where deluded has its true meaning. Like all delusions, those suffering from it will claim those speaking truth are the deluded ones. But the only way out of such a puzzle is testing what is being said.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the Life" He founds himself on truth. So as soon as truth is sacrificed, no matter how small, you have left Jesus. I disassociate myself from any believers who sacrifice truth on the altar of faith. I have zero faith in liars, frauds, imposters who use money and propoganda to deny their behaviour and lies. Sadly when having faith is associated with lying, one has just lost the argument.

A fool says, you liar, you are spreading negative incidents that suggest people are not what they appear to be.
God is only interested in those who stand for truth and righteousness. It is why Israel was judge and destroyed, dragged off into captivity.
If any church goes down this road, that will be their fate. Once people start to invent incidents and events, it can easily become that is all it is.

But then a lot of believers now represent the miraculous without love and sacrifice, so it is little wonder that all they end up with is financial and sexual miss conduct, with emotional hyper behaviour. I spoke to some whose argument was if a believer argued believing in Jesus saves you no matter how you behave, if they are a corrupt lying immoral and deceiving individual, so what. Little do they realise the reality is these folk will not inherit the Kingdom. Very simple, but fools do not read or believe scripture.

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21

7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
9 Now about brotherly love we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other.
1 Thessalonians 4:7-9

So a simple division. Those who support an impure life, are not of God. It is that simple.
There are issues around transformation, corruption, struggles, but the goal must not be given up or the belief that Jesus can complete the work He has begun in us.

4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy
5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now,
6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Philippians 1:4-6

Sadly on forums it is obvious many do not understand these words or even agree with them.
It is sad because they claim to know Jesus and yet are aliens to His ways and His word. Put simply they cannot be His sheep as they do not listen to His voice or follow Him. It may sound brutal, but the dividing line is very clear and simple.

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:27-28

I have had people declare these verses mean I do not know Jesus, because it shows Jesus promises to give eternal life to His sheep.
What these blind teachers miss or do not read, is if one listen to Jesus's voice and follow those very words, by definition you are not His sheep.
But those who are not the sheep of Jesus would not notice this, as listening to Jesus and following Him do not matter to them, literally.

It is ironic, that the very verses they used show their true condition. But the blind are always blind......
 

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I am reminded about a case t

The mother was overjoyed and she showed up at the next Sunday meeting at the church.
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Paul prayed over a dead man, Elijah prayed over a dead boy, Jesus raised a man who had been dead and four days decayed but he woke up.
not enough teaching that prayer works these days as most churches try to please Satan rather than GOD?.
etc etc...
 
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This holy laughter is demonic and caused by demons temporarily possesing people thanks to the preacher inviting the demons in.
Ken Hagin did the most demonic dispolay of this and knocking people down like Benny Hinn does.
Hagin can actually be heard hissing and flicking his tongue out like the serpent demon that possessed him.
I find it incredible that anyone would go watch this performance:
 

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Paul prayed ..., Elijah prayed ..., Jesus raised a man ..., prayer works ...

Jesus didn't heal the blind man with "prayer" alone. So it's clear you're missing something, -- a LOT of something.


Bobby Jo
 

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Jesus healed the man with mud - the Jews said making mud was working on Sabbath.
But I can see the target Bobby Jo. Presumably you think holy laughter is from GOD?
 

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Jesus healed the man with mud -

... not just "prayer" like you said, -- because YOU don't know what you're talking about.


There's no shortage of FALSE doctrines and FALSE "teachers" in THIS FORUM!
Bobby Jo
 

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This holy laughter is demonic and caused by demons temporarily possesing people thanks to the preacher inviting the demons in.
Ken Hagin did the most demonic dispolay of this and knocking people down like Benny Hinn does.
Hagin can actually be heard hissing and flicking his tongue out like the serpent demon that possessed him.
I find it incredible that anyone would go watch this performance:

You have got the wrong end of the stick on this one.

Hagin was not hissing or flicking his tongue out. That is your imagination running riot.

It is not possible for hundreds of people suddenly to be jumped on and turned into demons.

If you have never attended a meeting like this one, you will have no idea at all what the dynamics are. When someone, anyone starts laughing it is infectious and it is VERY HARD not to laugh.

And as satan's whole purpose is to steal, kill and destroy, I find it difficult to believe that he is going to make people laugh as that neither steals, kills or destroys.

And no one goes to watch this performance because it is not a performance. It is people who go to get in touch with God. The same as I went to a meeting for that purpose and partway through the praise the presence of God physically descended and the place was filled with his glory.
 
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I don't doubt some spirit descended but it wasn't GOD's.
Hagin hissed like a snake, laughed like a hyena and had people acting like dogs and apes...that's kinda Satanic.
 

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Are you part of the group where speaking truth is hypercriticism?

It is ironic, that the very verses they used show their true condition. But the blind are always blind......

Another post full of hypercriticism and a total lack of love.

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Can you tell me where in the video shown by r1xlx of Kenneth Hagin you can see sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, orgies?

If you can't, what is all the fuss?
 
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I don't doubt some spirit descended but it wasn't GOD's.
Hagin hissed like a snake, laughed like a hyena and had people acting like dogs and apes...that's kinda Satanic.

Wrong again. I have never heard a dog laugh like a human and I certainly have never heard an ape laugh like a human. And to repeat Hagin hissing is the product of an over fertile imagination.

You have no proof whatsoever the Spirit that took over was not God. None whatsoever.
 
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Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it? (I imagine all those people in the Bible who started speaking in tongues right after they were baptized probably freaked out a few strangers who might have been watching...… How odd of God to deliberately discourage people that way.)
I spent the first 12 years of my Christian life in Pentecostal churches. Yep I saw the wacky stuff, but when I joined it in the late 1960s these wacky manifestations were seen as part of the lunatic fringe and not part of the mainstream. I was discipled by a very strict, mature pastor in his late 60s who said that a person who wants to move in the Holy Spirit needs to be a man of prayer and of the Word. His defining document outside of the Bible was Bishop Ryles's "Holiness". That pastor wouldn't have a bar of kundalini manifestations. He wasn't too popular among other Pentecostal groups in the city because they thought he was "too strict" in his standards of holiness.

Over the years, I have observed a trend toward the Kundalini stuff getting into the mainstream. My study of Puritan devotional literature showed me that the Bible is the moderating authority of what was or was not of God. I found that many of the things I supported were not in the New Testament, and I rejected them. I believe that if it ain't in the New Testament then it ain't of God.

Kenneth Copeland's, Creflo Dollar's and Benny Hinn's reilgious movements are not Christian at all. They follow the teaching of Norman Vincent Peale's "Power of Positive Thinking" which was dictated to him by occult spirits. I don't believe that these men are actually saved and unless they repent, they will end up in hell along with all those who follow them.

I believe in the continuance of the Spiritual gifts for the church, but they must be manifested in accordance with the fruit of the Spirit which is love, joy, peace, gentleness, kindness, faithfulness, goodness, patience and SELF-CONTROL!

Any use of the gifts of the Spirit to manipulate, intimidate, or control other believers is not of God but comes from a godless spirit.

Concerning laughter. It is good to express joy by having a good laugh, but when it gets out of control, it becomes just an expression of the flesh and not of the joy that flows out of a person who is in the Spirit.
 
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Have you ever been in a congregation where you knew several of the people who were doing it? (I imagine all those people in the Bible who started speaking in tongues right after they were baptized probably freaked out a few strangers who might have been watching...… How odd of God to deliberately discourage people that way.)
When I joined a Pentecostal church at the age of 19 in the late 1960s, I was in the midst of 400 people all speaking in tongues around me. I wasn't freaked out at all. I thought, "What an exciting church! Never been in one like this before! I love it!" But then I didn't come from a religious background and wasn't indoctrinated that tongues was of the flesh or of the devil like some.

In that church, I witnessed a holy roller, and I knew him as someone pretty immature and easily excitable. I also witnessed a demon being cast out, and I thought, "I've never seen a person die before", remember seeing a stuck pig scream itself to death when I had a holiday job in a meat works.

A friend told me the story of the pastor of the church telling the congregation that in three seconds there is going to be a great wave of blessing flow right through the church. He counted three...two...one... there it goes! People started dancing, shouting and rejoicing. When everyone calmed down he said, "Did you feel that?" The reply was, "Yes, we sure did!" He replied, "Funny...I never felt a thing!" I thought that was very funny! But it shows how people can be manipulated by suggestion.
 

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Sure makes a mockery of God's people. I have read about this spirit before and, I agree...it is NOT from our very ordered God! Nor is it biblical
If you visit one of these churches where these manifestations are occurring, observe the pastor and elders. You will notice that they will not be joining in with the manifestations. That has to tell you something. You can see this in the OP's video. Shows one man out of control, but his companions very much in control. So, who is manipulating and who is the manipulated?

This is in total contrast to the experience of Brownlow North, a gospel preacher in the late 19th or early 20th Century. He was to preach on the grace of God one Sunday, and he got up and said, "I will be preaching this morning on the grace of God". He then was so overwhelmed by the grace of God for him, that he choked up and could not preach, and sat down and wept.
 
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Maybe, maybe not.
But either way we cut it...it is, and never has been "A Movement". :rolleyes:

But I suppose it gives some people something to criticize , dissect ect, and then post about...which neither blesses, encourages, or does any good for man or mouse. ;) xx
We have to be careful that we don't tar and feather every Pentecostal and Charismatic believer because of the pseudo-christian teaching and practice of some who teach that they can be their own gods to demand that God does things their way just because they speak it through positive confession.

Most Pentecostal and Charismatic people I have known over the last 53 years have been ordinary believers who love the Lord and desire to serve Him with all their hearts. I have been in Pentecostal Sunday morning worship services that were not too different to the Baptist or Presbyterian services I have attended over the years. I encountered Anglican Charismatics who were characters in themselves and who just loved the Lord, were joyful and loving and who accepted me as one of them five minutes after being with them.
 
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