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Please provide the prophecy saying God will redeem the Jews.

God will keep His promises, to the people who are His true Israelites now, the Overcomers for Him.
He also promises to punish Judah:

Many scriptures state how the Lord will clear and cleanse all of the holy Land, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, to enable His righteous Christian people to gather and settle there. This will happen before the Return, as they are designated to be His witnesses, to be a light to the nations and to send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:18b-21

Here are some of the prophesies that confirm how the Land will be virtually emptied:

Zephaniah 1:4-18 I shall stretch out My hand over Judah, over all that live in Jerusalem. On the Day of the Lord’s sacrifice, I shall wipe out all traces of idol worship and I will punish all those complacent people. All who commit crimes of violence and fraud will fall with a great crash. The great Day of the Lord is near and coming fast - His Day of wrath and distress onto the peoples. Their blood and guts will pour out like dung upon the ground and nothing can save them from the fire of His judgement. He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the holy Land.

Habakkuk 3:16-17….I long for the Day of Disaster to dawn over our enemies. [Then, after that Day -] The fig tree has no buds, the vine has no harvest…there are no sheep in the fold and no cattle in the stalls.

Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the Land a waste, for My people have broken faith.

Jeremiah 10:18…This time I shall throw out the whole population of the Land.

Ezekiel 21:3 Say to the Land: I am against you, I shall draw My sword of slaughter and make away with both the righteous and wicked alike.

Isaiah 10:23 The Lord will bring a final destruction upon the whole Land.

Isaiah 6:11-13…cities will be ruined, houses left without occupants and the Land will lie desolate and a waste. Only a stump remains – a holy seed. [In Jerusalem]

Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I shall wipe away all evil from the holy Land.

Amos 1:1-15, Amos 2:5 I shall send fire onto Judah, fire to consume their palaces.

Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now, with a great noise you will be burned and consumed. Luke 19:27



Isaiah 10:17-19 The Lord will become a fire that in a single Day will destroy His enemies. Suddenly the trees and pastures of His holy Land will be consumed, what will remain will be so few, a child could count them.

Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.

Joel 1:19-20…fire has consumed the pastures and burned every tree in the Land. All the streams have dried up.

Jeremiah 9:10-11 The Land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited.

Jeremiah 33:10 Judah and Jerusalem lie in ruins, uninhabited by man or beast.

Jeremiah 4:26-28 I looked and the fruitful Land was like a desert, all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord’s fierce anger. The Lord says: The entire holy Land will be devastated, but I will not destroy it completely. The earth will mourn and the sky will be darkened, because what I have said I will do and I will not relent or change My plan. Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses condensed.
This is why it’s difficult to discuss this topic

I gave numerous passages. You did not even respond to them then continue to ask me to show what I have already shown

if you can not be honest in this discussion I see no need to further go Down this rabbit trail

if you want to Continue. Look at the passages I gave you and show me how I misinterpreted them

you can post long winded posts all day. When you refuse to discuss what I have already posted do not expect Me To read yours
 
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Where is one worthy Jew of God today ?
If they were worthy of God they would become a Christian in fact.
There are many In my church living walking children of God
Look at the worthy disciples of Jesus and the rest that were not worthy ? clean different ! all Jews tho remember and not to mention that not all who claim to be Christians truly are Christians as well as Jesus Christ said of, I never knew you.
Jesus knows who are his people, for they have the Holy Spirit and only abide in him.

What does this have to do with something that has not yet happened?
 

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The Bible says....These are they which came out of great tribulation.....KJV

So what?? You have an obsolete defective translation. It was later fixed with the NKJV which says:

“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." NKJV

Which is consistent with 25 other translations.
 

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So what?? You have an obsolete defective translation. It was later fixed with the NKJV which says:

“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." NKJV

Which is consistent with 25 other translations.
OK Stan, believe what you want to.
I know that I will stay on earth, doing what the Lord has tasked me to do.

Anybody who thinks they will be taken to heaven, is just like Captain Kirk asking Scotty to 'beam him up'. A fanciful dream, that cannot happen, Jesus said so. John 3:13, John 17:15, +
 

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OK Stan, believe what you want to.
I know that I will stay on earth, doing what the Lord has tasked me to do.

Anybody who thinks they will be taken to heaven, is just like Captain Kirk asking Scotty to 'beam him up'. A fanciful dream, that cannot happen, Jesus said so. John 3:13, John 17:15, +
I will be just as ready, Be it I am “caught up” or not.

One thing I wont do, is mock my brothers or sisters because they do not see things the way I do
 
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I will be just as ready, Be it I am “caught up” or not.

One thing I wont do, is mock my brothers or sisters because they do not see things the way I do
You know, believing in the doctrine of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church as you do, it should be easy to humiliate anyone who 'mocks' you for promotion it. Simply post the scriptures that prove it.
But all I see from you is replies like the above, bereft of the scriptural support that any Christian doctrine must have. Also 'rapture' believers get all sad and say; you are denying the great hope we have and then they say' Because you don't believe you will be 'raptured', then God will leave you on earth to go thru tribulation.

Doctrine; We must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13, Revelation 14:12, +
Hope: Our great hope, is to receive Eternal life. John 3:16, Revelation 21:6-7
Tribulation: Those Christians who stand firm in their faith will be taken to a place of safety on earth, during the 3 1/2 GT. Revelation 12:14
 
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There are many In my church living walking children of God


What does this have to do with something that has not yet happened?
One is worthy of Christ or one is not, just because one claims something does not make is so in Jesus eyes evidently.
One has to be truly born again of the holy Spirit to know Jesus is the Christ. remember Nathaniel he was a true to God Israelite and he knew Jesus was the Christ directly.
 
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I have heard this absurd anti-Zionist nonsense before, but it has no effect on me. because I have read the entire Bible, many times, and I come away with a completely different message than you do! :-(

So who may I ask are those in scripture that Christ said call themselves Jew's,but are not?
 

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I don't know who these fake Jews were, nor how they figured they might benefit from calling themselves Jews, when they weren't.
Obviously, irrefutably and without question, the fake Jews are the people who identify themselves as Jewish.
Romans 2:29 tells us exactly who is a real Jew [Israelite] is.

This truth does not preclude someone who does believe they are an ethnic Jew, from also being a true Jew. As many Messianic Jews are.

However, this truth does blow apart any idea that the current Jewish State of Israel, has any inside track to Gods Redemption.
The ONLY Salvation for any individual, is to accept the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus; NOW.
 
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Obviously, irrefutably and without question, the fake Jews are the people who identify themselves as Jewish.
Romans 2:29 tells us exactly who is a real Jew [Israelite] is.

This truth does not preclude someone who does believe they are an ethnic Jew, from also being a true Jew. As many Messianic Jews are.

However, this truth does blow apart any idea that the current Jewish State of Israel, has any inside track to Gods Redemption.
The ONLY Salvation for any individual, is to accept the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus; NOW.
I am rapture neutral. People will kill us because of faith, and do.

Jesus said we should be prepared for His return, which I am.

In my house group the worriers wonder could they survive a time of persecution? I see how the rapture is reassuring, and a God will keep us safe. Sadly church history is death for faith and staying true to one's heart. So the fruit of the rapture thelogy appears comfort and ease, not truth and victory. What kind of believers are these?
 

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You know, believing in the doctrine of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church as you do, it should be easy to humiliate anyone who 'mocks' you for promotion it. Simply post the scriptures that prove it.

you know, you said there was no scripture that said Israel would repent and return, I gave a lot of it And you ignored it.

Why should I expect you to be any different here?

Actually it is quite easy to show that Jesus will return and We ill be “caught up” (Latin rapture, or hence the word rapture) those who are dead in him and then those who are living.

Its going to happen. Its right there. The fact you deny their will be a ressurection and “catching up” or rapturing us is well. Just telling.

I guess you will just move to the next topic now?
But all I see from you is replies like the above, bereft of the scriptural support that any Christian doctrine must have. Also 'rapture' believers get all sad and say; you are denying the great hope we have and then they say' Because you don't believe you will be 'raptured', then God will leave you on earth to go thru tribulation.

Doctrine; We must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13, Revelation 14:12, +
Hope: Our great hope, is to receive Eternal life. John 3:16, Revelation 21:6-7
Tribulation: Those Christians who stand firm in their faith will be taken to a place of safety on earth, during the 3 1/2 GT. Revelation 12:14

So let me guess.

1. You think salvation can be lost? You have to “endure”?
2. You think I reject my hope of eternal life, which God, Who can not lie, promised before time began.(titus) and that this is the basis of my faith in him? (Faith is the evidence of things hoped for) so you have determined you know me without even knowing me??
3. No one on earth will be preserved. The bible shows possibly millions who will be martyred for their faith in Christ, In fact it says there will be many more in heaven who have had their sins washed, praying for these martyred who cry up for God to pu an end to it. Now Israel? They will be protected (the woman) who satan try’s to go after, But can not touch her, then he goes after her offspring (the church)

You need to study more man..
 

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One is worthy of Christ or one is not, just because one claims something does not make is so in Jesus eyes evidently.
One has to be truly born again of the holy Spirit to know Jesus is the Christ. remember Nathaniel he was a true to God Israelite and he knew Jesus was the Christ directly.
Yes this is true, apart from faith in Christ. All will end up in eternal darkness, be they jew or gentile.

But again, Not the topic of my conversations..
 

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Obviously, irrefutably and without question, the fake Jews are the people who identify themselves as Jewish.
Romans 2:29 tells us exactly who is a real Jew [Israelite] is.

This truth does not preclude someone who does believe they are an ethnic Jew, from also being a true Jew. As many Messianic Jews are.

However, this truth does blow apart any idea that the current Jewish State of Israel, has any inside track to Gods Redemption.
The ONLY Salvation for any individual, is to accept the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus; NOW.
More has anyone insinuated such an idea of anyone having an inside track.
 

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I am rapture neutral. People will kill us because of faith, and do.

Jesus said we should be prepared for His return, which I am.

In my house group the worriers wonder could they survive a time of persecution? I see how the rapture is reassuring, and a God will keep us safe. Sadly church history is death for faith and staying true to one's heart. So the fruit of the rapture thelogy appears comfort and ease, not truth and victory. What kind of believers are these?
The return of Christ comes after Satan has dealt with Man, much the same thing with Israel and Judah when they failed because of the works of man and then Jesus came and how many came to Christ Jesus ? well so will be the days of his return be much like so, all the BS will be burnt up and whoever survives will know the works of the Devil were a cause, so they only have one way out and that is Jesus Christ, now Jesus Christ will not be in the flesh as the Bible points out, but it will be his Spirit that will be done.

When one is truly born again you enter into the Kingdom of God, so the fact remains that now one is not confirmed to this world, in such a State. one could call his Saved as no one can pluck such a one out of Gods hand. But they may kill your body but not your Soul, your Soul is at home with Christ Jesus one could say, because you are in touch with your Soul.

People will say that something is supressing there Soul, hurting it etc, well that is not true at all, the Soul can not be killed regardless, so when they point to such as pain, it's not their soul but their emotions are up set, fact is that when one is truly in touch with there Soul they are not hammered by such a threat to there emotions, because just like all of the Saints they got on with it regardless of such. because being truly in touch of ones Soul gives you strength because this is united with God. We have to make contact with our Soul as that is what True Christianity is all about.
Everyone has a Soul but many are devoid of it, such maybe likened to picking up a phone some what so as to receive a reception and that's why we see people claim that there is no God, they know that there is truly in fact but they just reject the fact, because ignorance is bliss. Like an atheist will claim, I am a atheist thank god. :rolleyes:o_O This world is tainted with delusions from the works of Satan, Jesus came to give us strength to deal with such. Thy Kingdom Come your will be done ? well it's ones duty to abide in such, but Satanist don't, it's my will be done or the government system will save me, well clearly such will not cut the mustard in fact because such is of mans works and such is devoid of God.
Then there are the so called Christians who are lost to the world and every Church denomination in the world nowadays is a worldly Church devoid of Christ Jesus, they have worldly values that trump Christ Jesus in fact, they peddle Political Correctness, Gay nonsense, you name it, even afraid to speak on points of the Bible, so they run away from the true issues and hide, they are content to float about in the sewer with the rest, so as not to offend the worldly fools. now if they do know God they may feel that the days will come that Jesus will return and they will be saved, but are they workers of iniquity and will Jesus say good and faithful servant ? To be a Christian is all about the hope of getting all entering into the Kingdom of God, for their is the power and the glory of a world with God and Satan is exposed for who he truly is, a titch in reality to God as Jesus exposed him for who he truly only is and then said, be gone ! and away he goes precious !;)
 

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First thought should be ,who is Israel,some people seem to think Israel are just Jew's and no matter what thy will be saved,that's false.Nobody and I mean nobody will be saved just because.

There are two houses Israel AND Judah,who may I remind you at one time were at war with each other.

Now I wanna start this from the beginning

There are two tree's you and I belong to one

Only a Christian can be deceived as the rest of the world already are...
I viewed some good teaching by Dave Hunt on Youtube about this, and it makes sense to me. He says that under the leadership of the Antichrist all the armies of the world will unite against Israel in order to destroy it. He says that Satan's purpose in destroying Israel is that if Israel no longer exists, then there is nothing for Jesus Christ to return to and set up His kingdom as prophesied in Scripture. This would mean that Satan has won, because God would be seen as a liar in giving a prophecy that did not come to pass.

So, many Jews will be killed, but there will be a remnant that will be rescued and put in a place protected by the Lord out of range of those who want to kill them. Before Israel is totally destroyed in the Armageddon battle, Jesus Christ will return with all His saints, defeat the armies, knock the Antichrist on the head, and set up His kingdom in Israel. When the remnant of the Jews either return to Israel or who survive the battle see Jesus Christ in person, they will believe in Him and be converted. All the unbelieving Jews who were killed will be resurrected to face judgment along with all the gentiles who didn't believe in Christ.

So, I think this is a reasonable and sound view of the statement "all Israel will be saved" and how it will be accomplished.
 

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I viewed some good teaching by Dave Hunt on Youtube about this, and it makes sense to me. He says that under the leadership of the Antichrist all the armies of the world will unite against Israel in order to destroy it. He says that Satan's purpose in destroying Israel is that if Israel no longer exists, then there is nothing for Jesus Christ to return to and set up His kingdom as prophesied in Scripture. This would mean that Satan has won, because God would be seen as a liar in giving a prophecy that did not come to pass.

So, many Jews will be killed, but there will be a remnant that will be rescued and put in a place protected by the Lord out of range of those who want to kill them. Before Israel is totally destroyed in the Armageddon battle, Jesus Christ will return with all His saints, defeat the armies, knock the Antichrist on the head, and set up His kingdom in Israel. When the remnant of the Jews either return to Israel or who survive the battle see Jesus Christ in person, they will believe in Him and be converted. All the unbelieving Jews who were killed will be resurrected to face judgment along with all the gentiles who didn't believe in Christ.

So, I think this is a reasonable and sound view of the statement "all Israel will be saved" and how it will be accomplished.


Don't know where to start,but I'm not gonna respond in the order of your post.

You say after they see Christ they will repent,ie be converted.Not true in the way you thinking it to be.The remnant are the elect and they live by faith,they believe already once Christ returns we all shall be changed,yet if you didn't believe before that return you ,Jew's and anyone else will still ,although changed ,will still have a mortal soul,meaning they can die the 2nd death.

Romans 11:4 "But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

Though this is history, in that God had reserved for Himself seven thousand men that would never bow to the image of Baal, Elijah did not know those seven thousand people that had stayed faithful to Him. This quotation is recorded in I Kings 19:10-18.

Romans 11:5 "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

The remnant was the remnant that God chose, such as Paul and the disciples and others, from generation to generation, to bring the message and truth of the Gospel of Christ. Elijah himself and John the Baptist in the spirit of Elijah were part of that remnant as they were teaching God's Word. They were passing God's Word down through the generations of years to deliver it in the final generation, to the election of God.

Anyone that sees the truth of God's overall plan and picture are part of the remnant, and this doesn't refer to salvation, because there will be millions that have the salvation that God offers to all through repentance and believing in His Son. But we are talking here about the remnant here that delivers God's Word. These people have eyes to see and ears to hear and know the truth of God's plan.

The remnant is the person that will carry the truth, and perhaps even die and return to the Father before the end generation has been completed at the seventh trumpet. But we have come to that end generation now whereby many people are hearing the Word and do know and believe that God's Word is true. They have faith enough to make God's Word part of their lives. Christianity to them is a reality, and not just a religion.

satan will sit in Israel pretending to be Christ,as such he can't go around killing people.

No one will be killed during the reign of antichrist only the two witnesses

Luke 21:18 "But there shall not an hair of your head perish."

 
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"The Wild Olive Graft [17-24]."

"The Hardening of Israel [25-32]."

"Paul's Joy Regarding God's Purpose [33-35]."

This Bible Study is written by Roger Christopherson, and it's transcription/ location is provided by http://www.theseason.org

In the last three chapters and including this chapter we see part of the plan of God that reaches out to all of God's children, Israel and Gentile alike. All races are God's children, and in Christ there is salvation to all that will believe on Jesus Christ and repent of their sins in Jesus' name. We can see the love of God, and His plan to place Himself back into the hearts of His children.

The issue that is in the background of all of the chapters of Romans is, "Is God unfair?" God is working here through Paul's writing to let you and I know that He is totally fair in all His judgments. You may not understand God's reasoning, but in His plan we can see He is always just.

Israel was the chosen, because these people are the chosen through which the Seed Jesus Christ would come. That Seed Jesus Christ is the Savior of all people. Paul discussed in the last chapter that because of that promised Seed, or Christ, now all could be saved. But to Israel, the Father said, "all day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people." Romans 10:21

So now we have the response to the prior three chapters.

Do read the chapter from below

romans11
 
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"The Wild Olive Graft [17-24]."

"The Hardening of Israel [25-32]."

"Paul's Joy Regarding God's Purpose [33-35]."

This Bible Study is written by Roger Christopherson, and it's transcription/ location is provided by http://www.theseason.org

In the last three chapters and including this chapter we see part of the plan of God that reaches out to all of God's children, Israel and Gentile alike. All races are God's children, and in Christ there is salvation to all that will believe on Jesus Christ and repent of their sins in Jesus' name. We can see the love of God, and His plan to place Himself back into the hearts of His children.

The issue that is in the background of all of the chapters of Romans is, "Is God unfair?" God is working here through Paul's writing to let you and I know that He is totally fair in all His judgments. You may not understand God's reasoning, but in His plan we can see He is always just.

Israel was the chosen, because these people are the chosen through which the Seed Jesus Christ would come. That Seed Jesus Christ is the Savior of all people. Paul discussed in the last chapter that because of that promised Seed, or Christ, now all could be saved. But to Israel, the Father said, "all day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people." Romans 10:21

So now we have the response to the prior three chapters.

Do read the chapter from below

romans11
Informative. :)
 

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I viewed some good teaching by Dave Hunt on Youtube about this, and it makes sense to me. He says that under the leadership of the Antichrist all the armies of the world will unite against Israel in order to destroy it. He says that Satan's purpose in destroying Israel is that if Israel no longer exists, then there is nothing for Jesus Christ to return to and set up His kingdom as prophesied in Scripture. This would mean that Satan has won, because God would be seen as a liar in giving a prophecy that did not come to pass.

So, many Jews will be killed, but there will be a remnant that will be rescued and put in a place protected by the Lord out of range of those who want to kill them. Before Israel is totally destroyed in the Armageddon battle, Jesus Christ will return with all His saints, defeat the armies, knock the Antichrist on the head, and set up His kingdom in Israel. When the remnant of the Jews either return to Israel or who survive the battle see Jesus Christ in person, they will believe in Him and be converted. All the unbelieving Jews who were killed will be resurrected to face judgment along with all the gentiles who didn't believe in Christ.

So, I think this is a reasonable and sound view of the statement "all Israel will be saved" and how it will be accomplished.
The world or this world is set against Israel and always was, but when Christ Jesus came, who is in fact the King of Israel and as all Christians know that the Word Israel means the Servant of God.
Israel can never be destroyed in fact, but history shows were the people failed to serve God and then the Tribe of Israel failed and then the Tribe of Judah failed but a remanent was left of such and then Jesus came to save them, now most of such as we call Jews today failed to understand who Jesus truly was because they had been lead astray by the ones of Satan within the Jews, this had always been the case right from the beginning Adam and Eve and all the rest bound by Sin, to the Golden Calf Mob you name it, the history of bastards are all through the Bible but when the people who knew who Jesus truly was, they were the ones who Moses was saying about, that were in fact true Israel, yes they were the first to know who the King of Israel truly was and they were the first Christians.
There is no such thing as the Jews today, in fact they do not exist, bar for a few who are worthy to be called such as to that they truly follow the OT, but they are not even 10% of the people in the State that claims to be Israel, as them Jews will inform you of such a fact, if one ever bothers to listen to them truly devout and learned Jews and they truly know the OT in fact, but the rest are not worthy of been called Jews at all the devout Jews say in fact and they are not impressed with them at all.

The Kingdom of Israel is the whole world in fact, Jesus came for all people in fact, just look at the fact that under Christianity there is no Jew or Greek, for all are under Christ Jesus ! now if a Christian starts talking about idolising Jews such a one is a fool, because there is no Jew in Christianity in fact, but only the understanding of the OT that is in place and any worthy Christian can understand the OT, but no one who claims to be a Jew will understand Christianity in fact, because such is devoid of the Holy Spirit, so such are worldly = of this world !
A Truly born again Christian is in the Kingdom of God and is not in tune with this world or dances to such as the beat of such a drum, as Christians know that the Kingdom of God is within you. so as for a place on the Earth being worthy of God well that's nonsense, God does not care for such, but as to you ! you are his Baby you are his Joy and not some man made object.

The ones that will come under attack is the Christians and we are under attack now, look at all the Christians that have been murdered by Islamic rat bags in the last 30 years say and what does the media say :rolleyes: well it hides a lot of such and does not report the facts or if it does do such it does not want to offend Islam or the Satanist. so it hides all the gory details from the west because the west could not deal with such horrific reality's. because they have been conditioned not to be able to handle the truth in fact.