The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

RogerDC

Well-Known Member
Jan 17, 2020
1,107
168
63
64
Forster
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
You are half way there.
Now ban fake news history and go cold turkey...sola scripture.
You will get withdrawals at the first couple of months, but will notice a change in your attitude towards the Bible in time.
Withing 6 months you will ban those silly commentaries and tote your Bible around all fired up about it.
Been there; done that. I learnt that Sola Scriptura is fake Christianity and a “doctrine of demons”. You’ve been thoroughly deceived.
 

RogerDC

Well-Known Member
Jan 17, 2020
1,107
168
63
64
Forster
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
WOW - and I thought all of your other posts were hopelessly ignorant.
Time for another Bible lesson . . .

- Jesus is ALSO God (John 1:1)
- GOD
forgives sins (Mark 2:7, 1 John 1:19)
- Jesus (God)
gave His Apostles the power to forgive sins (John 20:21-23)

He transferred so of His power - NOT that difficult to understand
Let's continue . . .

- Jesus is the Good Shepherd (John 10:14)
- The Good Shepherd (Jesus) appointed another shepherd to tend His flock in His absence (John 21:15-19)

Again - NOT that difficult to understand for a faithful, intelligent person, that is . . .
To someone brainwashed by fake-Christianity and blinded by anti-Catholic animus, it’s evidently VERY difficult to understand.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BreadOfLife

RogerDC

Well-Known Member
Jan 17, 2020
1,107
168
63
64
Forster
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
This is Paul writing to the believers at Corinth. That is proof that what Jesus had taught His inner circls of His disciples applies to all believers wishing to follow Him and serve Him as His disciples.
Did Jesus give the power to “bind and loose” to EVERYONE in Matt 16:19, 18:18?

Did Jesus give the power to forgive sins to EVERYONE in John 20:21-23?

Did Jesus give the power to cast out demons, cure the sick and raise the dead to EVERYONE in Matt 10:5-8?

To how many people did Jesus say, “feed my sheep” (John 21:15-19)? I believe it was to only ONE person … and guess who it was - surprise, surprise - it was Peter, the first Pope.

How come a replacement had to found for Judas in Acts 1? If an ordinary believer fell away or died, did the early Church officially appoint a replacement-believer?
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
10,295
1,479
113
62
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Been there; done that. I learnt that Sola Scriptura is fake Christianity and a “doctrine of demons”. You’ve been thoroughly deceived.
...so said Joseph Smith, etc.
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
10,295
1,479
113
62
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Jesus commanded only Peter to “tend” and “feed” his sheep. Any reasonable adult would agree tending and keeping sheep is the role of a shepherd. So Peter was installed by Christ as the Shephard of the Church, through whom the Holy Spirit leads the Church.The Church is the “fullness” of Christ (Eph 1:22-23), therefore
(a) the Church shares Christ’s role as Shepherd of the Christian flock; and

(b) the voice of Christ and the voice of the Church are one and the same. Hence, Christ’s sheep follow the voice of the Church.

Think about it - it ain’t rocket science.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Are they good shepherds too?

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


There is more than one shepherd?
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
10,295
1,479
113
62
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The “Acts church” did not feature individuals believers interpreting Scripture for themselves and inventing their own doctrine. The NT didn’t even exist as a recognized canon at that time, and Church doctrine was decided by a central authority made up of appointed ministers (even Paul was under the control of that central authority).

You live in a dream world of nonsense - the “Acts church” was nothing like your “church”, which is, in effect, nothing more than your (flawed) interpretation of the Scriptures. Jesus promised that “the gates of hell will not prevail against” his Church, so the Church he founded must still exist today - where can I find it?
The Acts church is historical per Pentecost.

No other church in existence can rattle a chain of succession to that church.

Therefore to know we are in that church, we must duplicate the doctrines and experience of that church.

The others are fake.
 

Truther

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2019
10,295
1,479
113
62
Lodi
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You keep talking about exactly imitating the Church described in Acts, yet you can’t tell me what that Church’s doctrines were. You can’t even prove that everything the early Church taught and practised is described in the NT.

I love your conclusion that the true Church doesn’t have a name. That is surely one of the most amusing ideas I’ve ever heard on a Christians forum.
Glad you love it.

Fact is, the only way to know someone is in the church of Pentecost per Acts, is to duplicate it's teachings and experience.

The name means nothing, but the ingredients mean everything.
 

BreadOfLife

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2017
20,942
3,391
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
God spoke through and did works through the man, Christ Jesus.
And all this time you thought all 3 persons of a so-called trinity acted as a human.
LOL
Jesus IS God - even if your heresy doesn't allow you to believe it.
 

BreadOfLife

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2017
20,942
3,391
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Who is Jack Chick?
He was a virulent liar and anti-Catholic cartoonist who had a multi-million dollar empire from his "Bible" tracts.
He was really big in the 70's and seduced a LOT of people away from the Church.

He's dead now.
 

Marymog

Well-Known Member
Mar 7, 2017
11,416
1,678
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Marymog, The Protestant church was started by Jesus 2,000 years ago before your friend Satan infiltrated it and introduced worship of Ishtar and Tammuz and all ridiculous idols, symbols, pomp, ceremony and false doctrines.
And of course you Catholics gloat about killing Jesus by having crucifixes of him hanging outside your churches.
The cross is empty while you Catholics keep it full of shame.
The protestant church was started 2,000 years ago by Jesus???? o_O

Do tell....what was Jesus protesting???
 
  • Like
Reactions: BreadOfLife

BreadOfLife

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2017
20,942
3,391
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
...'in the name of" ...WHOM?
A single name of whom?

What is the name of the son?
Why dont you say the name of the son when you baptize?
Do you think the name of the son of God is "son"?
Would you call Donald Trump "President son" if you met him?
Would you call Jesus Christ "son" if you met him?
Probably.
Jesus NEVER said to Baptize in the "single name" of the Son.
He said to Baptize in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT (Matt. 18:19).

How many more posts until this finally sinks in??
 

BreadOfLife

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2017
20,942
3,391
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

The "I Am" was inside Jesus, speaking through Jesus.

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Right, God was in Christ.
And all this time you though a Divine Spirit was flesh.
Time for another Bible lesson . . .

The Father is GOD - But He is NOT the Son or the Holy Spirit.
The Son is GOD - but He is NOT the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is GOD - but He is NOT the Father or the Son.

God is manifest as THREE distinct Persons with THREE distinct Roles.
The Father sent the Son and the holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son.

Unfortunately - I don't have a SINGLE verse of Scripture to support this.
I have about THREE DOZEN . . .

Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

 

BreadOfLife

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2017
20,942
3,391
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
No, I baptize like these first century "heretics"...

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 10
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
.....join us.
Time for another linguistics lesson . . .

From Macmillan Dictionary:

1. REPRESENTING someone or something
Ex. - They said they came “in the name of peace.”

From Cambridge Dictionary:
1. REPRESENTING someone or something
Ex. - "Open up in the name of the law" before they broke the door down.

From Thesaurus.com:

“In the name of” synonyms
1. THROUGH
2. THROUGH the agency of
3. Under the AUTHORITY of

From english.stackesxhange.com:
What does “in the name of…” actually mean?
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding:

Old English nama, noma "name, reputation,"
from Proto-Germanic *namon

(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"),

from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their reputation and their authority to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations.
The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the reputation and authority of another person.

Here us an example from classic literature:
Victor Hugo's Dramas” 1519, page 364:
“Richard Varney, in the name of God and Saint George we dub thee knight!”


This doesn’t state God’s “Singular name” as YOU keep insisting it must.

So, you see, Einstein – what I have been telling you ALL ALONG is correct.
What Peter said in Acts 2:238 was simply to be Baptized by the AUTHORITY OF Jesus Christ.
 

r1xlx

Active Member
Feb 26, 2020
198
36
28
76
HESSLE
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Glad you love it.

Fact is, the only way to know someone is in the church of Pentecost per Acts, is to duplicate it's teachings and experience.

The name means nothing, but the ingredients mean everything.
 

r1xlx

Active Member
Feb 26, 2020
198
36
28
76
HESSLE
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Truther,
I'm done with this forum of crazy catholics like Bread of Death and MaryGog.
Jesus said shake their dust...
So you can keep trying to get through their popery nonsense brainwashing but I've had enough.
Goodbye and I hope you get Raptured and can watch these catholics burn.
 

Illuminator

Well-Known Member
Jan 11, 2020
3,389
1,194
113
72
Hamilton
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
SPOT THE FAKE VERSE!!!

Matthew 18:17 If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Matthew 18:17 If the member refuses to listen to them, show them scripture; and if the offender refuses to see scripture, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RogerDC