Son of Israel and the Son of God

fellow said:

I think you have a good grasp on the bible, but the children of Israel are still the children of Israel.

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

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You have a Catholic's view of the Bible.
The Childen of Israel were dispersed across into the British Isles and America.
You quoteJesus at Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, 'I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day' but cannot understand it because of your Catholic brainwashing.
When you die your body will rot in its grave.
On Judgment Day you will be called out to hear the bad news.
That is a sacred mystery you cannot know.

fellow said:

As a Christian, I will be taken to be with God when this body dies.
Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

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Jesus Christ is the God of the Living Emmanuel God with us, so in him we have Life ! in abundance ! and when our flesh body has passed away our Soul is back home with Christ Jesus.
When we are Born again our Soul is in touch with Jesus Christ as we live in his Spirit.

If one is of Satan there Soul is lost and when their body passes away there Soul is lost, for they never knew God, it would of been better for such a one to of had a millstone cast around there neck and tossed into the sea. for they are an abomination to God !

fellow said:

Just fyi
Israel

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From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God; Jisrael, a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.

Hos_11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Mat_2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Just a note about Israel, it is another name for Jesus, just a symbolic name for Jacob. So the children of God are the children of Israel and the land of Israel is the land of God.

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Are you saying that if you are Israel, it also means that you are Yeshua/Jesus? If yes, do you know where Israel/Yeshua/Jesus exist?

DNB said:

You're being quite simple with your exegesis. After one has read through the entirety of the Bible, we get to appreciate the different literary forms that are used throughout. We start to understand that the Authors correlate passages not in a literal sense, often. Principles are related throughout, but not with an identical historical account.
How foolish to call Israel Jesus, from such a disparate correlation. Both Israel & Jesus were God's son, as were Moses, David and Elijah. All the Patriarchs came out of Egypt, and all went there due to famine, Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Only Jesus went there for a different reason, refugee.
The NT Author is in a general sense, using typology to relate the two events, not literalism, ...which is extremely bad exegesis.
Paul, when talking about missionaries, referenced Moses' command 'don't muzzle an ox when treading the corn'. Does that mean all evangels are oxen, ...and the proselytes corn?

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Here is my take on it:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires" (2 Timothy 4:3).

The gist of sound doctrine that Paul refers to is set out in the Book of Romans.

fellow said:

Israel is Jesus, it was a symbolic name for Jacob, who became the father of God's chosen people. The true Israel, Jesus, does rule as God.

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The clarification is much appreciated. Where is the True Israel/Yeshua/Jesus? What group are Ruling as Elohim/God on the earth? Can they be identified under a particular name, as there are many Israel's/Yeshua's/Jesus's?

Paul Christensen said:

Here is my take on it:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires" (2 Timothy 4:3).

The gist of sound doctrine that Paul refers to is set out in the Book of Romans.

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That's true Paul, ...but unfortunately, fellow is probably familiar with Romans, and thus, this awareness has not convinced him of his folly.
You may need to point out the specific verses that undermine his thesis, in order to dissuade him from his error?

DNB said:

That's true Paul, ...but unfortunately, fellow is probably familiar with Romans, and thus, this awareness has not convinced him of his folly.
You may need to point out the specific verses that undermine his thesis, in order to dissuade him from his error?

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If the Jewish Pharisees were determined to reject Jesus as their Messiah even after witnessing His miracles - and they knew they were definite miracles that only God could perform - then what hope would I have of changing the mind of one who is firmly entrenched in his own theological position by logical argument, even from clear Scripture?

Paul Christensen said:

If the Jewish Pharisees were determined to reject Jesus as their Messiah even after witnessing His miracles - and they knew they were definite miracles that only God could perform - then what hope would I have of changing the mind of one who is firmly entrenched in his own theological position by logical argument, even from clear Scripture?

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That's fine, maybe i misunderstood your assertion as trying to persuade. I was wrong.

...but, Jesus did not perform one single miracle, that another man did not perform, as far as claiming that only God could perform them, goes.

DNB said:

That's fine, maybe i misunderstood your assertion as trying to persuade. I was wrong.

...but, Jesus did not perform one single miracle, that another man did not perform, as far as claiming that only God could perform them, goes.

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I don't understand - are you saying that Jesus never performed miracles, but did just what any other person could have done in the same circumstances? How could that be? Are you saying that any person, including you and me, can say to a guy who had been crippled for over 30 years, unable to walk, "Take up your bed and walk", and to see him jump up and walk away with his bed-mat under his arm? Or that any person can be in a boat in the middle of a storm, speak to the storm and cause it to become absolutely still? Or walk on water?

I hope that I am misunderstanding you!

Paul Christensen said:

I don't understand - are you saying that Jesus never performed miracles, but did just what any other person could have done in the same circumstances? How could that be? Are you saying that any person, including you and me, can say to a guy who had been crippled for over 30 years, unable to walk, "Take up your bed and walk", and to see him jump up and walk away with his bed-mat under his arm? Or that any person can be in a boat in the middle of a storm, speak to the storm and cause it to become absolutely still? Or walk on water?

I hope that I am misunderstanding you!

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Yes, I wasn't clear.
You said that Jesus performed miracles that only God could perform. I said no, other Biblical characters performed all the miracles that Jesus did. He even told his disciples that they would perform much greater works than him, because he is going to the Father. Many raised the dead (Elijah & Elisha, Peter & Paul, the 70 that went out). Moses performed nature phenomena (parting sea, water from a rock). Joshua, Elijah & Elisha parted the Jordan River. Peter & John healed a cripple, Paul also in Lystra. Peter's shadow heals, as Paul's articles that he touched. Paul exorcised the young girl fortune teller, and made Elymas go blind.

So, I don't know where you justified your statement, that Jesus performed miracles that only God could perform?
This is nonsense, no one performs any miracle without the assistance of God's Holy Spirit. So obviously, all power, no matter who performs it, comes from God.

@fellow, You appear to have an Israel, British Israelism or Hebrew Israelite doctrine concerning Elohim's/God's chosen people. Is your belief any of the aforementioned listed groups? Are you Roman Catholic? Are you Christian Identity?

A lot of Jews had been coming into Germany from 2000 years ago and all through Europe.
British Israelism and such is just nonsense.

When the Jews came into Europe they were a much better educated people and they built Europe up for the better overall, not to mention that they became Christians.

One can see the laws in different European Nations having strict rules on what type of Jews could come into and other Jews that were banned, all the way up to 1900 if you want to look into such things, some type of Jews were allowed in because of banking commerce skills, most Goyim are dumb as a post when it comes to such things even nowadays and I would say that is because they are not truly educated in such things but only indoctrinated on such subject that is deliberately dumbed down by the schooling system to undermine them.
The Jews can have a better education by far because they can have reality foundations that they work off and childish gibberish does not stand in their way. the Jews in the State called Israel do not have to believe in Political Correctness or any childish racial discrimination dribble or any of such nonsense that is forced on the west at all, because in the west all such is forbidden to even be expressed due to the cunning of malice that such will come under and this makes slaves out of such fools.

In todays world we are not allowed to have reality foundations and everything is built on nonsense like from a politically Correct point of view and most people do not understand what the foundations of Political Correctness is truly built on in fact, nor do they care because they are so shallow and it's the trendy trend, it's the thing that is to do or you are casted as outsider that's not worthy of the trend and is totally discriminated with malice in fact. that such creates a grubby bastard type of people that is totally two faced, so such is the game play over the ignorant masses of people that they don't have the capacity to understand the gravity of such a concept that they are under such delusions.
The key to Hitler's game play was that they played the same game play of delusions over the German people and the Key to all this cunning was a tool called Political Correctness, it's much like a virus strain one could say, one could call Nazism X-2 and Communism X-1 and in the West today X-3. they are tailored to suit the host and it works because the masses of people are ignorant.

Morons blame the Jews or idolise the Jews but the Jews are under deceptions as well, because they are devoid of the Holy Spirit they are only worldly, so one can not see past the worldliness and the Goyim are in the same boat = a ship of fools ! but until they be truly born again then that can see. then their is no Jew or Gentile because such are in the kingdom of God and no such dribble exist in such. only idiots claim Jewish and Goyim exist. because they don't in fact under true Christianity.

True Christianity exposes all that dribble of worldly madness.
If one is not truly born again then such a one is living in a fantasy world under great delusions and the reasons for this is that they have no strength to deal with the works of Satan.
Now one who is an atheist will claim that it's the Christian who is living in a fantasy world, but the truly born again totally understands the atheist where he is coming from as that is simple as to understand such a one, but he atheist has not a leg to stand on as to understanding the truly born again Christian at all, as he is totally out of his depth.

fellow said:

I am a branch off of a wild olive tree, guess that makes me a gentile.
Rom_11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom_11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

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Are you White European? And if you being a Gentile, was grafted in, how do you become partaker with British?

fellow said:

The lost tribes of Israel did indeed migrate through Europe into the British Isles. One can find the word Dan in many of these places.

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Are you saying that the lost tribes of Israel are White Europeans or specifically British only? There are those that say the Danes are of the Tribe of Dan.

British Israelism



British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.[1] With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th-century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin.[2] Various British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in America from the 1870s; a number of these organisations are active independently as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.

British Israelism - Wikipedia