Was The Law Of Mose Set Aside At The Cross ?

Jesus Himself said that He didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill. That tells me that the Law wasn't set aside. It tells me that with Jesus Christ, now we can win.

If the law is still in effect why did The Savior come ?Do you know anybody who is able to keep the law 100% ?Do you know that if you fail on even one point of the law , you have failed the whole thing?Still want to live under the law ?Did you know one of the reasons the law was given was to show us we are unable to obey it completely?We need something else ...... and that would be a saviour , right?Our saviour , in an act of grace , took care of our failings. Along with that he sent the Holy Spirit to live within us to do battle with our sin nature.Even with The Holy Spirit's help, and our knowlege of the law , we cannot even come close to righteousness.Thank God for The Saviour that was sent.Martin W.

AS christians we are no longer judged by the law. God does not see our sin any longer only Jesus.The world non believers are judged by the law and that means death. the sting is gone for believers.

QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 15 2009, 09:41 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72584
If the law is not in effect, then why did Christ say imagining adultery in your mind is the same as adultery itself? Why did he expand on those commandments that we don't have to worry about anymore?Christ continues to tell us to cut off that which offends, telling us to get our house in order.I think it's all about knowing the difference between laws, statutes, and ordinances. Christ is a sin offering himself, so why would he offer up himself for laws no longer in existence? Salvation is most certainly conditional, you have to repent of your sins for them to be forgiven. Instead of offering a lamb, the one and all time sacrifice the perfect Lamb has given his life.
This is absolutely correct the law is still in effect, and we can know we are saved because we obey God commandment, we know we have repented because we are still repenting today, we know we walk with God because we still walk with God today. Grace is not a covering for sin but is the power through the Holy spirit of God to overcome sin.

QUOTE (dan p @ Apr 15 2009, 11:26 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72593
1) Hi For Life , why not read Heb 8:7 , reveals that the First Covenant is to BE DONE AWAY WITH , Jesus did not come to destroy , but to fulfill , and He did that on the Cross , and then in v 8 , a New Covenant will be issued , so read and believe ?
I read the whole 8th chapter of Hebrews and it seems to me that it is talking of a future event. Am I wrong about this?Hebrews 8:10Hebrews 8:11I am not trying to argue against what Hebrews 8:7 says because I agree with it.

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2) Can you not see that God is NOT dealing with Israel , Today ?
Yes I don't see. No I don't see. I don't see how God saying that He will make a new covenant with Israel (someday in the future) means that He will not deal with them anymore until then. Please Explain.

Hello. I just want to share something with you:Jeremiah 3131Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. 35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: 36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Hebrews 81Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.Hebrews 1224And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29For our God is a consuming fire.Acts 15 5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Sorry, no more Law of Moses.Luke 5 36And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. 37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. 39No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.If our LORD put the royal law in your heart, then you will understand,James 28If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. 14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.No more Law of Moses, but the royal law in your heart... 18For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.10For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.45But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

As I read these posts...I understand everyonedepending on the way you see it, is right. But,we must rightly divide the Word of truth to getthe true interpretation, so it will make sense tothe seeker of truth. Jesus' death on the cross is the ultimate picture of the consequences of sin. But the more pertinent question for us is whether or not His death on the cross left us with any consequences for our sins. Apart from Jesus' comments in Luke 12 about men receiving few or many stripes, we are not given much detail about the actual application of the law at the Great White Throne. Of necessity, there are some differences in application from the present age. In fact, there are even differences in application between the Old and New Covenants. At the Great White Throne, death is cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14). There are two types of death in Scripture. The first is mortality, which came upon all men through Adam's sin. The second is spiritual. The spiritual death is not the classic torture of hell, but rather it is the type of death that Paul spoke of many times. "I die daily," Paul said in 1 Cor. 15:31. In our daily walk with God, whenever we deny the will of the flesh, we are putting the flesh to death. But it is not the first type of death. It is the second. The lake of fire is the second death (Rev. 20:14). In our own lives, we submit to the same baptism of fire today, so that we might receive--through repentance--a lighter burden and avoid the sentence given to others at the Great White Throne. But whether we experience the fire of God today or later, the fire is all part of the character of God as expressed in His law. The law clearly has different sentences, depending upon the sin. Jesus spoke of few and many stripes for the abuse of authority, and we see that ignorance of the law (His will) was only a partial excuse. In the law, the judgment always fits the crime. There is no "one size fits all" where every sinner burns in hell. Every non-believer will have just one thing in common--they did not avail themselves of the blood of Jesus Christ. Some rejected it; but the vast majority never even heard of Jesus. Obviously, God will treat these people differently. But either way, because all sin is reckoned as a debt, their debt will be added up as only God can do. When men were judged by the law in the days of Moses, a thief who stole $1000 would have to repay his victim $2000. His sin was reckoned as a debt to his victim. He also had to make sacrifice for his offence against God. The sacrifice testified to the fact that the thief was unable to pay God what was owed, and so only the sacrifice of Jesus Christ could pay that portion of the debt. So at the Great White Throne, all of the non-believers will be "sold" (Ex. 22:3) because they cannot pay the debt themselves and did not avail themselves of the sacrifice of Christ to satisfy the debt to God. They will be "purchased" in a sense by the overcomers, who will be in a position at that time to serve as "redeemers." A redeemer is one who purchases the debt note of another (Lev. 25:47-49). As part of the body of Christ that have come into immortality at the first resurrection, the overcomers will rule and reign with Christ. That means they will be given authority over others, as Jesus clearly taught in Luke 12:42. When a redeemer purchases the debt note of a debtor (slave), the law gives him authority over that slave, and the slave must work for the redeemer until either the debt is paid or the Jubilee year arrives. Lev. 25:52-54 says, 52 and if few years remain until the year of jubilee, he shall so calculate with him. In proportion to his years he is to refund {the amount for} his redemption.53 'Like a man hired year by year he shall be with him; he shall not rule over him with severity in your sight.54 'Even if he is not redeemed by these {means,} he shall still go out in the year of jubilee, he and his sons with him.This law shows that the debtor's labor was meant to "refund" the amount paid by his redeemer. The debtor's redemption did not set him free of all liability for the debt owed. It meant that he now owed the redeemer however many years of labor required to pay the debt. So also it is at the Great White Throne judgment. The debtors are redeemed by Jesus Christ the Head, in conjunction with His Body. The Body is the executor of the Head. Jesus is the Redeemer; the Body consists of the redeemers. This legal process sets up the authoritative structure for the ages to come until the great Jubilee of creation when all men are set free, as per verse 54 above. The primary difference between the days of Moses and the time after the Great White Throne is that in Moses' day all debtors were mortal, but at the Great White Throne, mortality is replaced by the second death, the spiritual death whereby menlearn to put to death the "old man" and begin to "die daily." Their new masters will be responsible to teach them the love of God by personal example. This is why verse 53 above gives us the prophetic purpose of the law of redemption: "he shall not rule over him with severity in your sight." In other words, the redeemers live by the love of God and have His character/law written on their hearts. So they will treat their "slaves" with true justice, love, and kindness, rather than with "severity." In that resurrection, all will be given new bodies that will probably be comparable to the body of Adam when he was first created. Such a body was designed to live indefinitely. He had a perfect environment, nutritious food, and no genetic defects, so that (apart from falling off a cliff) he could live indefinitely. The cells of his body would last much longer and be easily replaced if they ever wore out, so he would never get old. I believe that this is the type of body that all humanity will receive at the general resurrection. During this time, Isaiah 26:9 says, "when the earth experiences Thy judgments, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Logabe

Kings are supposed to find out the will of God and then implement it as a steward. But kings inevitably become corrupted by power, regardless of their religious affiliations. They usurp power by taking the place of God and ruling by their own will, expecting God to rubber-stamp their decisions. Such behavior is justified on the grounds that "God made me king." In other words, since God made me king, He has given me the right to do as I please, and He will back me in all that I do. Or, as Nixon would say, "If I do it, that makes it legal." This is how King Saul acted, even though he prophesied as an Old Testament Pentecostal. It is how the popes of the Roman Church acted very soon after coming into power. Their moral corruption is well documented by many cardinals and bishops throughout the centuries who wrote histories of the Church. The mandate of the Overcomer is different. First, I do not believe that God will empower the Overcomers in an in-the-world manifestation until they are perfected. That is, they must fulfill the Feast of Tabernacles before they are fully qualified to rule the earth. Otherwise, it would only be a matter of time before they too would succumb to the temptation to move from steward to usurper. The key problem to understand here is about usurping the throne of God. A usurper is an "antichrist," one who rules in place of Christ in the sense of a usurper, rather than of a steward. And this has to do with rulers doing their own will, instead of seeking to do the will of God. When we speak of "the will of God," we cannot separate this from His law (Rom. 2:18). Whatever God says to do is a law, whether we call it that or not. God's law is the expression of His character, often with the added feature of teaching and training. It is not unlike the house rules of a parent, who is responsible to teach the children right from wrong and instill in them a sense of responsibility for their actions. Laws are not given as an end in themselves, but as a training mechanism to renew our minds (our thinking) and to bring us to the place of obedience. One cannot separate law from obedience, for law demands obedience, and whatever we obey is a law by definition. We cannot claim to be obedient to God without compliance to some law that has expressed His will. Immature children are given laws because their own wills naturally want to rule their lives. Children are not born compliant to the will of a parent. They must be trained to be obedient. As long as the child's will differs from that of his parent, he needs a law, and that law goes against the child's sense of personal freedom to do his own will. Only when the child's will becomes one with the parent does the child no longer need a law to tell him what to do. This is the point where the child reaches spiritual maturity and does the will of the parent, not because of any external law, but because the law is written on his heart. This is precisely the purpose of Passover and Pentecost. Passover puts the believer (by faith) on a journey from "Egypt" to the Promised Land. Pentecost keeps a person on the right path as he hears God's voice, learns His will (law), and learns obedience as he is led by the Spirit. Pentecost is the big training ground that brings us to spiritual maturity. An overcomer is ultimately one who goes beyond Pentecost into Tabernacles, where God no longer needs to command him to do this or that, because the overcomer does the will of God by nature, and no longer by command. This is the point where he/she is fully qualified to speak the will and law of God and to expect obedience from the rest of mankind. In other words, overcomers are called to rule (Dan. 7:27) and to judge the world (1 Cor. 6:2). That does not mean the overcomers are called to condemn the world, but to establish the standard of righteousness and define unrighteous-ness, injustice, and sin (crime). The world has had its own standard, based upon the will of man, but the overcomers are called to know the will of God and to establish that new standard. It is called the law of God. Now, to answer your question...is the Law of Mosesset aside at the cross. That is a big NOOOOO. Theapplications is different but, the basics stay the same. Let me explain. The law will remain the standard of right and wrong until mankind no longer needs it. When all men do the will of God by nature, they will no longer need to have the law imposed upon them. They will be spiritually mature. As Isaiah 26:9 says, 9 "When the earth experiences Thy judgments, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteous-ness." The Overcomers are to prepare themselves by life experience, study, and prayer, to know the will of God, so that they may present it or clarify it to the rest of the world. To know His will, one must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Deut. 8:3; Matt. 4:4). One must know the law, the prophets, and the royal records, as well as the New Testament Gospels, Epistles, and the book of Revelation. The mission of the overcomers is to bring the will of God into the earth, so that injustice is first restrained and finally eradicated and replaced by God's love. There is much that can be done even during the time of Babylonian jurisdiction, but for the most part God has been using the opposition of Babylon as a training tool for the overcomers. Babylon was given jurisdiction because of the sin and rebellion of our forefathers, as the prophets clearly tell us. But we are now approaching the time of Babylon's fall, where the whole system is falling under its own weight of sin and financial unrighteousness. Seeing this, we ought to be alert and to prepare ourselves with diligence for the work in the Age to come. A new administration is coming, and with all due respect, it has little to do with Mr. Obama or his cabinet of Babylonian experts. We must understand, however, that becoming a believer does not qualify anyone for rulership--nor does a Pentecostal experience (however valid). God is looking for a man after His own heart. He is looking for the few who know His heart, His will, His mind, and know how to apply it as Jesus would. Logabe

[quote name='Martin W.;67609]If the law is still in effect why did The Savior come ?Do you know anybody who is able to keep the law 100% ?Do you know that if you fail on even one point of the law ' date=' you have failed the whole thing?Still want to live under the law ?Did you know one of the reasons the law was given was to show us we are unable to obey it completely?We need something else ...... and that would be a saviour , right?Our saviour , in an act of grace , took care of our failings. Along with that he sent the Holy Spirit to live within us to do battle with our sin nature.Even with The Holy Spirit's help, and our knowlege of the law , we cannot even come close to righteousness.Thank God for The Saviour that was sent.Martin W.[/QUOTE']Hello Martin, The law was never set aside. Jesus taught that the two greatest commandments is to love God and to love your neighbor. These two commandments fulfilled all Ten Commandments for to love God is to worship God alone and none other and to keep His commandments. To love one's neighbor signifies that one should not steal from their neighbor, kill them, bear false witness against them, etc. These all come from the Ten Commandments. The reason Jesus came to earth was to give mankind redemption so that man could enter Heaven. When Adam and Eve sinned, Heaven was closed to mankind and no one could enter Heaven (John 3:13). After Jesus conquered death, the gates of Heaven was opened to mankind and all those who died can now enter Heaven (Eph. 4:8). The Ten Commandments was given so that man can recognize that he is a sinner. God knows that man is unable to obey the Ten Commandments. It becomes possible to obey God's commandments only when we turn to God for with God all things are possible (Matthew 19:26). As one of our saints stated, "The Law was given so that man may seek God's grace, and grace was given so that the Law can be fulfilled." Peace be with you, Diana

The sacrificial system under the Old Covenant was an ancient way of doing spiritual warfare. This fact was masked, however, largely because we have thought of "warfare" in terms of a battlefield instead of a courtroom. Once we associate sacrifice with the means of satisfying the law (on account of man's sin), it is not hard to picture a scene in the Divine Court. Jesus (known as Yahweh in the Old Testament) is the Judge. The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, "advocate" (defense attorney). The devil ("accuser") or satan ("adversary") is the prosecutor, who is empowered as long as there are sinners to prosecute. All are subject to the law of the Judge. As long as there is sin to judge, the law remains in force, and the prosecutor has a job. This is how the scene should be pictured. When Jesus came as the Ultimate Sacrifice for sin, the old system changed in its outward form, but the basic principles of law remained. We still have sacrifice even today in the form of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, but because of the perfect nature of our Sacrifice, it does not have to be repeated continually. Nonetheless, God did not put away the law of sacrifice, else how could we claim Jesus as the Lamb of God? He only upgraded the manner in which we comply with it. Hence we see the two goats of Leviticus 16, where the first was prophesied to cover sin, while the second was prophesied to remove sin. In applying this prophecy to the Old and New Covenants, each of which culminates with a coming of Christ, it is not hard to see that the animal sacrifices covered sin until the big court case took place on the cross. In seeing this, it is apparent also that the Old Covenant priests were intercessors. When they sacrificed an animal, they were, in effect, filing a petition before the Divine Court to ask for more time to prepare the case for their client. In other words, they asked for a postponement of the trial. That was (and still is) one of the duties of an intercessor in representing man to God and representing God to man. So the great Trial was postponed until the day that Jesus became the Passover Lamb and was crucified to die for the sin of the world. The final run-up to that Trial was Daniel's 70 weeks (70 x 7, or 490 years). In Matthew 18:22, Jesus revealed that the purpose of 70 x 7 is to serve as an extension of the time of forgiveness until the day of reckoning. Thus, Jesus was crucified precisely 490 years after the start of Daniel's 70 weeks began (458 B.C. to 33 A.D.). But getting back to the animal sacrifices, one must keep in mind that while the animal was important as a prophetic symbol of Christ, the spiritual force that gave it legal weight was FAITH. Since faith without works is dead, we can see this combination at work in the animal sacrifice. Faith comes by hearing, and so when God spoke the revelation of animal sacrifice, the priests responded by faith. They believed God enough to do what God said, even though they had only a dim understanding of the real purpose behind the revelation. The ritual itself, performed with minute precision, was an earthly act that moved heaven in the Divine Court. The Holy Spirit revealed to Moses each minute detail, because their actions on earth spoke with spiritual knowledge about the Divine Court case that was yet to come. It had to be a lamb without spot or blemish, because Jesus was sinless. No bone could be broken of the Passover Lamb, because bones represent the law (giving structure and support to thebody). So how does this principle speak to us today? We no longer are required to sacrifice animals. But if anyone aspires to be a priest of God today, he must become a priest after the Order of Melchizedek. In this Order, there are no animal sacrifices. Thankfully, also, there is no genealogical requirement to be of the house of Aaron. Melchizedek was not of Aaron, and his genealogy is not recorded in Scripture, so that He might serve as a type of a new Order of priesthood. Melchizedek appears in Scripture "without genealogy" (Heb. 7:3), because, as verse 6 says, he is "the one whose genealogy is not traced" ( not recorded). God thus was ableto tell King David, who was of the tribe ofJudah, "Thou art a priest forever according to the Order of Melchizedek" (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 7:17). Jesus, too, being of the house of David, was not qualified as a priest of Aaron, but was instead qualified as High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek. The Aaronic priests were called to sacrifice animals until the great Court Date arrived. The Melchizedek priests have now replaced the Aaronic priests, having a greater calling under Jesus Christ. In the Old Covenant, the sacrifice looked back to Adam's sin and found the solution in a future event--the coming of Christ to die on the cross as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Under the New Covenant, communion looks back and remembers His death on the cross, yet looks forward to the second coming of Christ to claim the Birthright of Joseph. Paul says in 1 Cor. 11:26, 26 "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's deathuntil He comes." Logabe

There are many very important truths that are missed when people neglect or refuse to study the books of the law. If Christians studied the story of Israel in the wilderness under Moses, there would be far fewer doctrinal disputes between denominations, because they would see that the disputed doctrines in the church today were clarified in "the church in the wilderness" (Acts 7:38). Likewise, if men studied Moses and learned about the feast days, it is not likely that we would be divided into Passover Churches, Pentecostal Churches, and Overcomer Churches. Passover churches are those whose message focuses upon the truth of Passover--that is, justification by faith in the blood of the Lamb. Pentecostal churches are those whose message focuses upon the truth of Pentecost--that is, sanctification, holy living, and the law. (These, however, having put away the divine law, usually substitute man's law in its place, legislating on hair style, jewelry, clothing, etc.) It is important that we maintain a holistic approach to the Scripture. Jesus said in Matt. 4:4, "man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." This was a quotation from Deut. 8:3. One's approach to the word of God generally determines one's ability to understand (and agree with) the laws of God. Those who reject the law outright cut themselves off from a large volume of revelation. But even those who claim to believe in the validity of the divine law are often blinded by their rejection of certain portions of it. One such law is the law of the eighth day, which many Sabbatarian believers seem to fear. Many have been taught that any acknowledgement of the eighth day puts them in danger of receiving the "mark of the beast." As a result, they blind themselves to the whole concept of SONSHIP. The basic law is found in Exodus 22:29, 30, 29 Thou shalt not delay [to offer] the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. 30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, [and] with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me. This is why Jesus was taken to the temple when he was eight days old for circumcision (Luke 2:21). His mother had to return on the 40th day for her own purification and to present Him again to the Father (Luke 2:22). The laws of purification have taken a different form under the New Covenant, because now we are cleansed by the water of the Word, rather than by literal water (John 15:3; Eph. 5:26). The law was not put away, but the form changed from Old Covenant to the New. You see, man is an unclean creature (in his flesh). Man does not have a cloven hoof, chew the cud, nor does he have fins and scales. But if he hears the Word, stands on a double witness, meditates on it ("chews the cud"), and if he relies upon divine guidance ("fins") and the whole armor of God ("scales"), then is he CLEAN. The Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God (Eph. 6:17). If a man rejects any portion of the Word, he is unclean to that degree and in need of some further cleansing by the washing of the Word. So in the feast days themselves, we find three distinct eighth-day applications. First was the wave-sheaf offering during the Passover season (feast of unleavened bread); the second was Pentecost (feast of leavened bread); and the third was the eighth day of Tabernacles. This is the path to Sonship. (It is not the mark of the beast.) Without going through these steps in our relationship with God, we cannot be part of that company of the Sons of God. In the historical level of fulfillment, which is the longest-term fulfillment of this prophecy, the overcomers from past ages will be raised in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6) at the feast of Trumpets, in order to join with those who are "alive and remain" (1 Thess. 4:17). As one body, then, they will be presented to the Father on the eighth day of Tabernacles, which is three weeks after that resurrection. A thousand years later, when the general resurrection occurs, the rest of the believers will be presented to the Father at the beginning of the eighth millennial "day" in order to fulfill the law. In this resurrection will be both believers and unbelievers, as Jesus explains in John 5:28 and 29. Their rewards will be quite different, of course, but the believers will be given their reward at the same time that the unbelievers receive their reward (Luke 12:46). The unbelievers will receive judgment in the "lake of fire," the aionian judgment that is clearly explained in Scripture. At the end of that aion (eon) or "age," the Jubilee will be declared, and all of creation will be set free in the glorious liberty of the sons of God (Rom. 8:21). This is the final goal of the divine plan in history. The Jubilee is the 50th year that follows seven sabbatical years. Hence, the Jubilee is the highest fulfillment of the eighth day laws. Logabe

dan p said:

Hi to all . This a question that has caused much confusion . Most say yes and I say no .

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I read an interesting article the other day on this topic. The link is http://www.missiontoisrael.com/ if you'd like to check it out.

Sorry that link did not post right. Please look under online books / "Yah's Laws"

What part of NEW COVENANT is so hard to understand? New vs Old.

Jesus couldn't destroy the old covenant. The old covenant testified of Him. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the Provider of the New Covenant.

If the Old Law passed away, the Jesus wouldn't have died on the Cross, and the ancients would have believed in a lie. Abrahams faith that was counted for him would've been faith in nothing.

So, if the Old Law was destroyed, then Jesus could not have fulfilled it, and thus could not have been able to bring the Promised New Covenant which is Salvation through Jesus Christ.

The only reason people misunderstand this is from 2 view points,,, 1 a view point that works can save and works are required for salvation. 2 a worldly viewpoint used to thwart the authority and meaning of the New Testament in a frail attempt to make themselves feel better about their sins.

The confusion is settled in that, Works are merely a result of faith, and not a requirement of salvation. Works can't save you or take away the past sins. Works show that you believe.

Now, we wonder what Law is supposed to be followed. The Moral Law, that's the Law. That's the whole reason for the statutes and commands of old. From clothing, to foods, to what ever.

There are only 2 commands now. Love God, and Love your neighbor. That's it. How you choose to do it is up to you. However, if you feel you want to follow the Old Law as a work of faith and an honor for God, then fine, good for you, go ahead. But, if you decide that you dont' need to do that, then good for you. Both do so for the Honor and Glory of God.

It's all pretty simple.