2 Thessalonians 2:7

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Ezra

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It is profitable to consider that the World cannot receive the Holy Spirit.
no body said the world could receive . the Holy spirit is the restrainer you take the spirit out and twice the amount of evil prevails. . those who are saved has the spirit in them. once were all gone look out
 
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There was a thread a while back that we got really deep into this question. I still say ots the Holy Spirit is the Restrainer
 

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no body said the world could receive . the Holy spirit is the restrainer you take the spirit out and twice the amount of evil prevails. . those who are saved has the spirit in them. once were all gone look out

Right. The world is kept in check by the Holy Spirit. Once He leaves this world is going to become as evil and as depraved as it naturally would be without the restraining influence of the HS.
 

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no body said the world could receive . the Holy spirit is the restrainer you take the spirit out and twice the amount of evil prevails. . those who are saved has the spirit in them. once were all gone look out
I once heard a preacher make a poignant remark to the effect that if the Holy Spirit alone is the Restrainer, it/he isn't doing a very good job. Reference was made to the daily atrocities and evils that cause suffering, horror and death, and special mention was made of WWI & WWII.

But so far there has been no total fulfillment of the Apocalypse, so at least that is being restrained...
 

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I once heard a preacher make a poignant remark to the effect that if the Holy Spirit alone is the Restrainer, it/he isn't doing a very good job.

I don't think that's a very good argument. You could pretty much say "God isn't good at His job, look at all the evil in the world."
 

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. in your opinion who is he who letteth

The 12 Apostles mostly.
The apostles had the authority to keep the congregation subject to Christ; but they, who acted as a restraint upon lawless action in the congregation, would be taken away in death and then the congregation would fall away to lawlessness and false teachings. (2 Cor. 10:2-6;2 Thess. 2:3-12; 2 Tim. 4:3, 4; Acts 20:29, 30) Again, at Matthew 18:18, Jesus clearly shows the restraining force these mature men, operating under Jehovah’s spirit, would have in the congregation. See also Ephesians 4:11-13 andActs 20:28. Paul, one of such men, was acting as a restraint, as shown at 2 Thessalonians 3:6: “Now we are giving you orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition you received from us.”—See also 2 Thessalonians 3:10-15;1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Colossians 2:8; Acts 20:31;Ephesians 4:17–6:9; 1 Corinthians 5:1-5;2 Corinthians 10:2-6.

“He”—this is the one to be revealed. “He” is the one referred to in 2 Th 3 verse three as “that man of sin,” “the son of perdition.” Notice how Paul describes them at Acts 20:29, 30: “I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” These apostate leaders of professed Christians were to grow in strength and influence, and as soon as the restraint was out of the way they would take over.

This class of professed Christians came on the scene since Pentecost of 33 C.E. and particularly after the death of the twelve faithful apostles of Jesus Christ. They are organized into the religious clergy of Christendom and form a dominant part of Babylon the Great. Since Babylon the Great is still operating, this “man of sin” or “man of lawlessness” is still here.

“Revealed.” Says Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary: “To communicate or impart by supernatural means or agency. To divulge (something secret or hidden); to disclose. To open up to view; as, a painting reveals the painter. Implies an unveiling, as of something not clear to human vision or beyond one’s knowledge.” Therefore, this class of professed Christians came out into the open at the death of the apostles; “he” was revealed in his time.—2 Pet. 2:1-3.

“Mystery of iniquity doth already work.” When Paul wrote his second letter to the Thessalonians about 51 C.E. this “mystery” or secret falling away from true Bible doctrines was already in operation. Men of influence in the congregation were already bowing down to Babylonish worship.
“He who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.” In 1611, when the King James Version Bible was written, “let” still carried the thought of restraint. Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary gives this archaic definition: “To hinder; impede; prevent.” That is the meaning we will have to keep in mind. At Acts 20:29 Paul says: “I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you.” See also 2 Peter 1:12 to 2:3. At the death of the apostles the restraining force was out of the way, the stop sign was down and the wolves came in with full power.
Having in mind what your research has told you, put it together and it sums up this way: You Christians know that the faithful apostles stopped the apostate leaders of professed Christians from bringing in Babylonish worship. However, this restraint must be gone with the death of the apostles and these wolves must come out into the open and lead the congregations to Babylonish worship.
Your faith, then, is a signpost that says you have a reservoir of truth that is available to others. If that reservoir has evaporated to a dangerous low mark, then you are the first one to suffer losses of blessings from Jehovah God, and those who come to you for faith-building knowledge will have to go away empty-hearted. The constant urging of God’s Word is to build faith regularly by feeding on God’s Word, “the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.” (2 Tim. 3:15) Jesus himself describes faith’s operation and it is so recorded at John 7:38: “He that puts faith in me, just as the Scripture has said, ‘Out from his inmost part streams of living water will flow.’” Our treasure will then be wisdom from God’s Word, and our faith will be alive.
 

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I once heard a preacher make a poignant remark to the effect that if the Holy Spirit alone is the Restrainer, it/he isn't doing a very good job. Reference was made to the daily atrocities and evils that cause suffering, horror and death, and special mention was made of WWI & WWII.

But so far there has been no total fulfillment of the Apocalypse, so at least that is being restrained...

Be of Good Cheer, Termination Level and the Apocalypse is around the corner.
 

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I don't think that's a very good argument. You could pretty much say "God isn't good at His job, look at all the evil in the world."

Isaiah 13:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


The Evil Satan/Devil is Elohim's/God's instrument for punishment of Evildoers and trying the Saints.
 

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. in your opinion who is he who letteth
The Holy Ghost(God Himself)
 
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I don't think that's a very good argument. You could pretty much say "God isn't good at His job, look at all the evil in the world."
Yes, friend of, I took that as the gist of the preacher's argument against the Restrainer just being the Holy Spirit, in a message which progressed to expound on God's People being His instruments, so He uses them to carry out His Plan. The book "Reese Howells: Intercessor" is full of examples of this truth.

Rom 6:13 Neither yield you your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Isa 41:15
Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff.
 

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. in your opinion who is he who letteth

God will expose the leaders of Zionist Jewry that has deceived the common Jews, Christians,
and most of the world in believing that Jesus isn't The Christ.

When Jesus comes a second time they will be exposed.

Logabe
 

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God will expose the leaders of Zionist Jewry that has deceived the common Jews, Christians,
and most of the world in believing that Jesus isn't The Christ.

When Jesus comes a second time they will be exposed.

Logabe

Do you agree that Zionist Jewry is Romanised and under Roman Catholic Authority?
 

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The Holy Spirit will be very active in the tribulation

He will lead 144000 jews to christ, and empower hem to be missionaries

He empowers the two witnesses to do miracles. And raise them from the dead

Then we have the many (to many to count) martyred who have been saved in this time. This is by power of the HS
 
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Do you agree that Zionist Jewry is Romanised and under Roman Catholic Authority?

Never looked @ it that way, but Christians are being influenced by Zionist, which make the Christians
a type of Judas.

Zionist have made many anti-Christ over the centuries and they continue to do so today. In 1st John
2:22 it says,

22 Who is a liar, but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is
an anti-Christ
, that denies the Father and the Son.

So we can see in John's day they had the same problem with Judaism as we have today. That was
the reason God sent His armies (Roman Army) to destroy Jerusalem in 70 A.D (Matthew 22:7). They
continued for 40 more years to offer up animal sacrifices that openly denied that Jesus was the
Supreme Sacrifice. It was called abomination and it still is!!!

Logabe
 

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. in your opinion who is he who letteth
It could be the church, the body of Christ, which is referred to as being one new man.....this would be in line with saying "he" will be taken out of the way.
 

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. in your opinion who is he who letteth

The first part of the verse "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:" is in regards to the falling away from the faith prophesied that is supposed to happen first before His gathering and before that time period of the great tribulation when that son of perdition is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What is that iniquity where the restraining part of the Holy Spirit in us cease to allow that iniquity to incur? Think new age mentality where of believers believe the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign or receive a continual filling of the Person of the Holy Spirit, then God will grant that strong delusion to occur for those that believe the lie that the already saved believers can receive the Holy Spirit again after a sign of tongues and after other sensational signs in the flesh like slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement.

2 Thessalonians 2: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Unless those believers repent, they will not be saved from being left behind where some will face that time period of that son of perdition. They will die but they will be resurrected after the great tribulation, but damned forever as vessels unto dishonor in His House as in, they can never have the benefits of the firstfruits of the resurrection for once that door is shut to the Marriage Supper in Heaven, that is it.

That is why Paul is reminding believers of the only time a saved believer will receive the sanctification and the belief of the truth and that is at the calling of the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Those believers that have gone astray, He still abides in them, even in former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ) as that foundation laid by Jesus Christ is not going anywhere which is why they and even former believers are still called to depart from iniquity in 2 Timothy 2:18-21 so they can be received by Him as vessels unto honor in His House.

Paul goes on to the next chapter addressing those wicked and unreasonable men that have not faith and do not walk after the tradition taught of us and are disorderly as those in the movement of the "spirit" are where confusion reign which God is not the author of, of which said erring believers are to be withdrawn from ( 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 ), but not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15.

That is Paul telling us even those that have departed from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils are still His, even though the Holy Spirit is still in them, the restraining power of the Holy Spirit will cease for allowing that strong delusion to occur for believing that lie until they repent and the restraining power of the Holy Spirit is back again to keep believers from falling for those seducing spirits & to leave that place. 1 John 4:1-4
 

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. in your opinion who is he who letteth
Only God the Holy Spirit can be the divine Restrainer who restrains Satan and all evil forces on earth. His being taken out of the way can only mean that the Holy Spirit will return to Heaven along with the Church so that there is no restraint on evil and wickedness on earth for 3 1/2 years (which corresponds to the Tribulation period). That is when Satan and the Antichrist take total control of the inhabitants of the world.

"The Mystery of Iniquity" is the mystery of why God allows Satan to exert his influence over human beings so that sin and evil continue on earth. We should be clear that God has a good reason to do so, although we may not fully understand.
 
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Never looked @ it that way, but Christians are being influenced by Zionist, which make the Christians
a type of Judas.

Zionist have made many anti-Christ over the centuries and they continue to do so today. In 1st John
2:22 it says,

22 Who is a liar, but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is
an anti-Christ
, that denies the Father and the Son.

So we can see in John's day they had the same problem with Judaism as we have today. That was
the reason God sent His armies (Roman Army) to destroy Jerusalem in 70 A.D (Matthew 22:7). They
continued for 40 more years to offer up animal sacrifices that openly denied that Jesus was the
Supreme Sacrifice. It was called abomination and it still is!!!

Logabe

Revelation 2:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


In the World, who are the most Powerful and Devoted servants of the Satan/Devil? Do you know where Devil's/Satan's seat is?
 

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Only God the Holy Spirit can be the divine Restrainer who restrains Satan and all evil forces on earth. His being taken out of the way can only mean that the Holy Spirit will return to Heaven along with the Church so that there is no restraint on evil and wickedness on earth for 3 1/2 years (which corresponds to the Tribulation period). That is when Satan and the Antichrist take total control of the inhabitants of the world.

"The Mystery of Iniquity" is the mystery of why God allows Satan to exert his influence over human beings so that sin and evil continue on earth. We should be clear that God has a good reason to do so, although we may not fully understand.
agreed
 
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The "he" in the verse is the Holy Spirit, therefore it is the Holy Spirit who indwells converted believers who is hindering iniquity from having full expression in the world. But when all the believers are caught up to be with the Lord in the air (the Rapture), the Holy Spirit will go with them, because the Holy Spirit is not some entity that resides outside of believers like an indeterminate mist.

And in Revelation 7, if the Holy Spirit is gone, who are those who come out of the Great Tribulation arrayed in white robes?

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.