The Truth of Genesis

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DNB

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if you read all of the conversation from the beginning, you would know that you don't know what you're talking about.
Nope, unfortunately, I did read all the posts, and your literal comprehension of 2 Peter 3:8 is incompetent and absurd!
Your points about the inability to measure a day, due to the reference points not even being in existence yet, initially has merit. And, that you're skepticism of the entire veracity of the creation account, because there was no one there to witness it, or for God to explain it to, equally raises a valid question.
But, in a forum full of Christians, who almost universally accept Biblical revelation, and the maxims of God's character (eg: omniscience), we trust that either, the author of Genesis received the information via direct revelation, or someone prior to him, even before the flood, received it by revelation and handed it down orally. Either one is feasible.
Secondly, if it was imparted to man by divine endowment, then God, who is all knowing, may define the logistics of what took place without the requirements of special instruments, measuring tools or reference points.
He knows exactly how long it took Him to create anything, whether or not he had created the solar system yet, or carried a stop watch with Him.
 

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literal yes, your idea what a day is to the Creator and Judge no.

who's telling this creation story to whom ever sustained it until Moses documented it? or maybe the Lord told Moses directly. ether way the only One that was there for all six days was the Lord God, wasn't it?

also the days couldn't be by the measurement of the earth's rotation and or revolutions around the sun. the sun didn't exist as the "sun" until some time in the fourth day. and still there's no proof even after that that there was 24 hr's in a day and even 365 days in a year.

The first day of creation was to establish what a day was, there was evening and morning each day.
 

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God:
(Exodus 20:9-11) "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: {10} But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: {11} For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

DPMartin: "You didn't really mean what you said, what really happened was".......

:rolleyes:
 
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I have this problem about 24 hr days in creation.

How long ago did dinosaurs live here on earth?

We know man walked here on earth about 6000 years ago, but?


Bones of each of the above go back more than 100,000 years, at least.

God can't lie, so He would not plant bones in the earth to fool you and me.
Bones go back 100,000 years based on what exactly? Carbon dating that makes assumptions? What about finding dinosaur fragments that still have live tissue? That's not 100,000 years my friend.
 
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You may have a point here if what you are suggesting is that people are asking science for the "whys" behind that "hows" and "whats." Science just reveals what is and how the what came about, it does nothing for revealing the purpose behind anything's existence. Purpose must be derived elsewhere.
Actually science cannot show how we came about because it can't be tested and recreated. All it does is guess.
 

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are you for real?


2Pe_3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

here now you can say a day is a thousand years, where as Peter says "as a" not "is a". the day isn't according to you its according to the Creator.
This does not say a day equals 1000 years.

It says in general. In Gods timeline, he is not slow to act. to him one of his days is like unto a 1000 days for us.

using this passage to support anything other than a literal day of creation is taking it out of context
 
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Addressing the OP only, the 24 hr day period in Genesis 1 is for the earth and it's inhabitants only, a 24hr time period for God is silliness.

Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Genesis 1:15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so".

signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years, and the light is only concering the earth only. my God how cretinous can one think.

PICJAG.
 

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Addressing the OP only, the 24 hr day period in Genesis 1 is for the earth and it's inhabitants only, a 24hr time period for God is silliness.

Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Genesis 1:15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so".

signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years, and the light is only concering the earth only. my God how cretinous can one think.

PICJAG.
What point are you trying to make?
 

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What point are you trying to make?
times and seasons, and light (physical), is all an "CREATION" for us. not God. God has no time, nor seasons, or lenght of day, no years. these are all reference point for us.

God is not subject to time, ..... as we know it.

so this literal 24hr thing is nonesense.

understand this, Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens".

how many "generations", notice the "s" at the end of generation, How many "generations" are there in one God "day?" read the verse again.

here Generation here is
H8435 תּוֹלְדָה towldah (to-led-aw') n-f.
תֹּלְדָה toldah (to-led-aw')
1. (plural only) descent, i.e. family.
2. (figuratively) history.
[from H3205]
KJV: birth, generations.

notice we greyed out definition #2, because u said it literal.

PICJAG.
 

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times and seasons, and light (physical), is all an "CREATION" for us. not God. God has no time, nor seasons, or lenght of day, no years. these are all reference point for us.

God is not subject to time, ..... as we know it.

so this literal 24hr thing is nonesense.

understand this, Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens".

how many "generations", notice the "s" at the end of generation, How many "generations" are there in one God "day?" read the verse again.

here Generation here is
H8435 תּוֹלְדָה towldah (to-led-aw') n-f.
תֹּלְדָה toldah (to-led-aw')
1. (plural only) descent, i.e. family.
2. (figuratively) history.
[from H3205]
KJV: birth, generations.

notice we greyed out definition #2, because u said it literal.

PICJAG.
This post is nonsense. And literal doesn't mean you can't have something meaning history.
 

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You equated 3 things that are lacking in similarity here. The day-age and gap periods some assert for the creation week do not qualify as theories the way evolution by natural selection does. The 1st two are literally conjecture whilst the last is currently the best explanation that the data in the natural world supplies for origin and variation of species. It doesn't begin with an assumption or presupposition. Instead it looks at how things work, studies phenomena, and documents the story the information in the natural world tells. As more info is provided and understood, the story evolves and it's viability is repeatedly tested by experiments and can be used to make accurate predictions and discoveries.



You may have a point here if what you are suggesting is that people are asking science for the "whys" behind that "hows" and "whats." Science just reveals what is and how the what came about, it does nothing for revealing the purpose behind anything's existence. Purpose must be derived elsewhere.
one thing all of these theories are lacking is they ignore the effects of Noah's global flood.

They all assume things hap[pen today the same as they occured from the beginning of time. I think if we study the flood. we will find this is not true.
 
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times and seasons, and light (physical), is all an "CREATION" for us. not God. God has no time, nor seasons, or lenght of day, no years. these are all reference point for us.

God is not subject to time, ..... as we know it.

so this literal 24hr thing is nonesense.

understand this, Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens".

how many "generations", notice the "s" at the end of generation, How many "generations" are there in one God "day?" read the verse again.

here Generation here is
H8435 תּוֹלְדָה towldah (to-led-aw') n-f.
תֹּלְדָה toldah (to-led-aw')
1. (plural only) descent, i.e. family.
2. (figuratively) history.
[from H3205]
KJV: birth, generations.

notice we greyed out definition #2, because u said it literal.

PICJAG.

evening and morning first day

I think that is quite clear
 

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Bones go back 100,000 years based on what exactly? Carbon dating that makes assumptions? What about finding dinosaur fragments that still have live tissue? That's not 100,000 years my friend.

Glad you agree.

For @Rocky Wiley

Carbon dating on a living mollusk was dated 2,300 years old "dead".

Job 40:15-18 describes the behemoth as a living dinosaur when its tail moves like a cedar which is a tree with knowledge of his sexual organs ( stones wrapped in sinew ) as being internal long before science discovered it recently.

There are even cave drawings of dinosaurs. And yet supposedly they became extinct hundreds of millions of years before mankind came on the scene?

There is a lot of evidence to believe the Bible rather than that false science called the evolution theory since the Bible proves that theory is false.
 
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Bones go back 100,000 years based on what exactly? Carbon dating that makes assumptions? What about finding dinosaur fragments that still have live tissue? That's not 100,000 years my friend.
Most of what you said there isn't correct. You would do well to learn at least a little about those subjects before pontificating on them.

Actually science cannot show how we came about because it can't be tested and recreated. All it does is guess.
As above, what you said isn't correct. Science can test how humans came to be, and events don't need to be recreated in order for science to study them. If they did, science wouldn't be able to study things like the earth orbiting the sun, ice ages, and other large-scale or past events.
 

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Carbon dating on a living mollusk was dated 2,300 years old "dead".
Because that's a misuse of C-14 technology.

Job 40:15-18 describes the behemoth as a living dinosaur when its tail moves like a cedar which is a tree with knowledge of his sexual organs ( stones wrapped in sinew ) as being internal long before science discovered it recently.

There are even cave drawings of dinosaurs. And yet supposedly they became extinct hundreds of millions of years before mankind came on the scene?

There is a lot of evidence to believe the Bible rather than that false science called the evolution theory since the Bible proves that theory is false.
You know, Christianity in the US is declining and one of the reasons is because it's become associated with an anti-science POV. I wonder if you appreciate how posting scientifically ignorant arguments in the name of Christianity contributes to that.
 

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Because that's a misuse of C-14 technology.

No, it is not. It is unreliable and there are more tests results to prove it, even from the University of Arizona at this link as a report is given.

Carbon Dating: Why you cant trust it or other radiometric dating methods. creation evolution young earth evidence old earth bible

You know, Christianity in the US is declining and one of the reasons is because it's become associated with an anti-science POV. I wonder if you appreciate how posting scientifically ignorant arguments in the name of Christianity contributes to that.

Until you are familiar about how they assign dates to these supposed dating results, you are not going to see the lies of the evolution theory. So go ahead and check out the report shared at that link.

Them maybe you will realize to believe God's words over men's.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
 

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No, it is not.
Yes it is. You don't use C-14 dating on a living organism that is still taking in carbon, especially a marine organism. But I'm guessing you have no idea why that is.

It is unreliable and there are more tests results to prove it, even from the University of Arizona at this link as a report is given.

Carbon Dating: Why you cant trust it or other radiometric dating methods. creation evolution young earth evidence old earth bible
I don't rely on religious websites for scientific information.

Until you are familiar about how they assign dates to these supposed dating results, you are not going to see the lies of the evolution theory.
I'm quite familiar with the methods.

Them maybe you will realize to believe God's words over men's.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
I suspect that's the root issue here. You approach radiometric dating from a religious perspective, as in you evaluate the conclusions based solely on whether or not they mesh with your beliefs.

I obviously don't approach it that way.