Salvation Through Baptism ???

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Ernest T. Bass

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Our part, is Faith, His death provided the way, our obedience by trusting Him in faith is the part that puts us on the path of righteousness.

Yes, man's part is faith therefore man has a role in his own salvation. Christ's part was dying on the cross shedding his blood whereby man has a pathway to salvation. It is man's responsibility to take that pathway by faith. NT faith includes repentance confession baptism and being faithful unto death.
 
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Thanks for your opinions, it's just too much of an exercise in futility to continue.
The futility lies in the attempt to remove the necessity of water baptism from the NT. A lot of work going on in trying to come up with creative, but failed ways to rewrite the Bible. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; 1 Peter 3:21, even after attacked, still teach the clearly, plainly the necessity of water baptism.
 
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They forget

The OT sacrificial system had to have the shedding of blood for forgiveness

It required faith, but the blood is what granted forgiveness or remission

Jesus is the lamb who Came to pay for the sin of the world

It takes our faith, But it is the blood which causes remission

No work of man (baptism or church going or taking communion or any work whatsoever) has any bearing on ones eternal life and forgiveness of sin.
Its because if too much study not enough Chrst, they miss the shadows, who will declare to God, that He cannot save men because they never got wet.
 

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Yes, man's part is faith therefore man has a role in his own salvation. Christ's part was dying on the cross shedding his blood whereby man has a pathway to salvation. It is man's responsibility to take that pathway by faith. NT faith includes repentance confession baptism and being faithful unto death.
Our psthway us Christ,
I am the way, the truth and the life says the Lord,
I know of no other.
 

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Hi

ACTS 2:38
Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So is baptism necessary in order to receive the Holy Spirit?
NO.

And is baptism necessary for salvation?
NO.


If a person has accepted Jesus Christ by faith and has made a full repentance, yet have not become baptized.. are they saved.
YES.

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If you make baptism a requirement of Salvation, then you cause Scripture to contradict Scripture. If you must be baptized to be saved, why does the Scripture say we are:

1. Saved by grace through faith, not of works, which would include baptism! (Rom. 3:24-25; Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 15:8-9).

2. Saved by faith without works, including baptism! (Rom. 4:1-25; 5:1; Gal. 3:19-29).

3. Saved by faith in the blood of Jesus, not faith in water! (Matt. 26:28; Eph. 1:7; Rev. 1:5; 1 Jn. 1:7; Heb. 9:22; 1 Pet. 1:18-23).

4. Saved by calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 2:21; Rom. 10:9-13).

5. Saved by believing on Jesus (John 3:16-18; 26; Acts 10:43; 13:38-40; 16:31; Rom. 10:9-10; 1 Cor. 1:21). Not one time is baptism referred to as necessary to gain salvation in ANY of these passages!
And not one time when someone is seeking salvation in scripture is baptism omitted.
 

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Acts 2:40, "Those who had received the word were BAPTIZED
Acts 2:47, "And the Lord was adding to their number day by da those who were being BAPTIZED.
Acts 8:12, "But when they believed, they were BAPTIZED
Acts 8: 13, "Even Simon himself believed and was BAPTIZED.
Acts 8:32-29, " The eunuch said, Look, here is water, what can stand in the way of my being BAPTIZED?
Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip BAPTIZED him.
Acts 9:17-18, "And after Paul regained his sight, he got up and was BAPTIZED.
Acts 10:45-48, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be BAPTIZED, and he ordered them to
be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ."
Acts 13:48, "And as many as had been appointed to eternal life were BAPTIZED".
Acts 14:1, "...a large number of people were BAPTIZED."
Acts 16:14-15 "...the Lord opened LYDIA"S heart to respond and she and her house were BAPTIZED."
Acts 16:31-34, "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Then he and everyone in his household were immediately BAPTIZED."
Acts 17:34, "But some men joined them and they were BAPTIZED."
Acts 18:7-8, "Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they hears were believing and being BAPTIZED."
Acts 19:2-7, "When they all heard this (about Christ), they were BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 21:19-20, "Tho seest brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which were BAPTIZED."
Acts 20:24 Some were being BAPTIZED through things spoken, but others would not believe."

Tell me why BAPTISM isn't necessary when we see it here in these verses about SALVATION and being saved??

Thank you for taking the time to come here and read my post, and comment.
My name is OLIGOS[/QUOTE]

I knew there was plenty of evidence for water baptism in the act of salvation but I did not realize there were AS MANY AS THAT. How anyone can say it is not necessary with all that evidence is beyond me.
 

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Water baptism does not save anyone.

I think this where there are misunderstandings about salvation and water baptism. It is quite true that water baptism does not save anyone but I am of the opinion that is not the issue.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter said that the hearers needed to repent and be baptized.....If baptism was an optional extra, why did he say repent AND be baptized?

They could have been baptized only but that would have not saved them because salvation is in two-parts. It starts with repentance. Until that happens we cannot move forward. That is getting rid of the old man. Then and only then do we get baptized which is putting on the new man. As one person described it we are being clothed with Christ.

From that perspective, we need both. Getting rid of the old and putting on the new. As the scriptures say, If any man is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has gone and the new has come. Two distinct acts of faith.

If we have repented we have put off the old but if we have not been baptized then we have not put on the new. And that means we are going to struggle in our walk with the Lord because only the new can lead us into paths of righteousness.

If everyone in the New Testament were baptized when they came to faith then it is clear it is necessary for their walk with the Lord.

I am not stupid enough to think I can do things my way without putting on Christ so I go with the flow and did what scripture says to do.
 

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Well it depends on the Baptism.. if they just say you are baptized by accepting Jesus.. Idk.

You have to have that water thing... name of father, son, holy spirit ritual.
 

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If it is not necessary for salvation why did the first message on salvation include being baptised?
Not that the first preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ includes being baptized, necessarily makes it to be necessary for salvation. Consider this truth: From since the beginning, the salvation of God is by God's grace through faith. That is the way of the Lord concerning the salvation of man yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The salvation of God was never through baptism in any way shape or form in the past from the beginning until before the cross, so I find no reason why that should change after the cross.

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Like whats up with this? And he talking gibberish.


He forgot to say the in the name of the father, son , and holy spirit.
 
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Here's my nieces husbands baptism.. He became Catholic, and I think he was from your guys side of things. Checkered shirt guy... (Yes its Easter Sunday)
He got baptized at Our Lady of Mt Carmel in Ct.. Starts around 4 min.

 
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ACTS 2:38 Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So is baptism necessary in order to receive the Holy Spirit?
And is baptism necessary for salvation? If a person has accepted Jesus Christ by faith and has made a full repentance, yet have not become baptized.. are they saved.
When we stand before God's Throne in heaven and pray for what we need today,
as written in Scripture,
do we do so as old unregenerate sons of disobedience,
or as born again, set apart by God, holy disciples of Jesus ?
 

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The futility lies in the attempt to remove the necessity of water baptism from the NT. A lot of work going on in trying to come up with creative, but failed ways to rewrite the Bible. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; 1 Peter 3:21, even after attacked, still teach the clearly, plainly the necessity of water baptism.
There are a handful of verses in the Bible that works-salvationists try to use as proof texts to prove that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, yet a careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.

Your futility lies in your attempts to "add" water baptism to multiple passages of scripture which make it clear that man is saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Galatians chapter 3; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..). Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus baptism? Plus works? NO. *So then it's belief/faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony* :)

1 Peter 3:21 - Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
 
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It really doesn't matter if immersion in Jesus' Name is required for salvation or not.

Everyone alive in Jesus, following Jesus, Doing as Jesus says, obeying God, is immersed in Jesus' Name Joyously in Life, willingly.
 

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I baptized my own kid in the bathtub too and I did it pouring hand water over his head saying what the church said..

'I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..Amen.'

I did it b/c the CC in Calif told me no I had to get the moms permission yet I'm the Father.

He was 2 or 3. I did so he makes it to heaven. . and when I repay God the price.

Never saw him again for 20 years after he turned 6. His mom said all kind of lies against me in court. I never married her. Which lead to my wife leaving me a day after we married. My kids mom was like you guys.. protestant Christians. And u'd think they wouldn't say horrible untruths!! They do. Later she burned the papers and kept it a secret from my kid. I think the devil in her did it to me.

+No need to do all that gibberish garbage in that other vid.. creepy.
 
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This (post quoted below) explains a lot, but does not excuse continuing to live in sin.
It is describing experience many people have with both catholics and protestants - people treating badly , not like Jesus, not living like Jesus at all.
Finding people who live like Jesus is a challenge, daily, and some people have still not found faithful followers of Jesus.
Leaving the catholic teachings that one was taught and thinks is important
is a choice that has to be made in order to follow Jesus.
Same for many protestants too - if they were taught and believed catholic or other wrong beliefs - they have to leave what is wrong,
and learn from God what is true.
The devil over the sons of disobedience world wide, yes, the sons of disobedience continuing growing in sin,
seeks to kill, steal and destroy all that is good, in every religion when anyone not in Christ, and non-religion when anyone not in Christ.

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QUOTE="brian100, post: 784986, member: 8900"]I baptized my own kid in the bathtub too and I did it pouring hand water over his head saying what the church said..

'I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..Amen.'

I did it b/c the CC in Calif told me no I had to get the moms permission yet I'm the Father.

He was 2 or 3. I did so he makes it to heaven. . and when I repay God the price.

Never saw him again for 20 years after he turned 6. His mom said all kind of lies against me in court. Which lead to my wife leaving me a day after we married. My kids mom was like you guys.. protestant Christians. And u'd think they wouldn't say horrible untruths!! They do. Later she burned the papers and kept it a secret from my kid. I think the devil in her did it to me.

+No need to do all that gibberish garbage in that other vid.. creepy.[/QUOTE