PopQuote"So Kriss.I suppose that this is a different GOD than the one who destroyed ALL of Sodom....a different GOD who allowed the violence of 70 ad....a different GOD who destroyed the world with the great flood that killed ALL but the family of Noah....a different GOD than the GOD who will bring great tribulation on the earth.......what about all the helpless in these situations?....have you never studied the wrath of GOD?.....Rev 6:115-17"is plain when it states......" and the kings of the earth and the great men , and the rich men , and the chief captains, and the mighty men and every bondman, and every free man , hid themselves in the dens and the rocks of the mountains....and said to the mountains and rocks Fall on us , and hide us from the face of HIM that sits on the throne, and from the wrath (anger) of the LAMB....For the great day of HIS Wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand. A quick look at a concordance will convince one that there are more references to the anger, fury , and wrath of GOD, than there are to HIS love and tenderness. Because GOD is Holy , HE hates all sin...and because HE hates all sin, HIS anger burns against the sinner Psa 7:11. The wrath of GOD is as much a Divine perfection as is HIs faithfulness, power, or mercy. The foreunner of CHRIST warned the people to flee from the wrath to come" matt 3:7.. the apostle paul said.."knowing therefore the TERROR of the LORD, we persuade men" 2cor 5:11.....I offer these words not as a insult but in order for you to reconsider your stand concerning GODs love vs HIS wrath...... You and others seem to exagerate and ridicule those who hold to a rapture of the Church.....It is my opinion that this is due to a lack of understanding of the electing grace of GOD....but we have been over this before.....regards. Pop"ReplyWhile it may be true that there are more instances of His wrath,His ultimate sacrafice(giving His Son to die for us)to me outweighs all of that)As far as sodom if you read the account God would have spared that city had even ten had been found to be rightous,but 10 could not be found.Now when you say God allowed the events of A.D.70 to take place,to me you are in essence blaming Him for those events,to which my advice to you is,be very careful of this,for God did not do this it was manAbout the flood, first I don't believe it was worldwide(would be happy to do a study)and the reason for the flood was to destroy the offspring of the fallen angels.And even then had the listened to Noah they could have entered into the Ark.As for the helpless,God knows the heart and Im very sure that they are more than doing just fine right about now.Now to the meat of this discussion,the false rapture,do you know why these people are saying to the rocks fall on us? These people want to die thats how ashamed they are,trouble is,this is the day that death takes a holiday, for at that moment all will be changed to their spiritual bodies.Let me try to explain to you why this false rapture is so dangerous,to those that have already died believing in this rapture I think they are ok,but for us living now in this generation(generation of the fig tree)we will see these events unfold,and if you don't know that satan comes first pretending to be Christ you will follow him,in which cass you stand a very good chance of dying the second death which is the death of the soul,let me said it like this,do you remember when Paul said he wanted to present you as a virginLet me let Paul explain it,do hope you really catch the meaning,and hopefully you will see why this false rapture teachings is one of the most dangerous teachings there is.Why?Because it will lead you directly to satan,so please understand that its not with ridicule that we teach against the rapture its to keep you out of the hands of satan which as I said above could led to the death of your very soul.With that said here is PaulII Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."Paul had converted these Corinthians and taught them enough to get their church on the move. Paul is speaking here about and directing attention to those people that are meddling with the church that he has established. Paul is having righteous jealousy over the converts that he brought to salvation, and he is telling them that he has made each of them part of "the bride of Jesus Christ", the anointed One. This isn't hard to understand, for most everyone knows what a virgin is. A virgin is an untouched woman. Paul is saying that he wants to present each of these Corinthians as a chaste virgin to Christ, in as much as they are the bride of Christ. Paul is saying that He doesn't want Christ's bride messed with by any of these super-preachers that are causing the divisions within the churches. For a young woman to be "espoused" to her husband means that she is completely committed to him, even before the vows have been exchanged. Paul is using this relationship whereby we could understand the emotions of Christ towards His bride. The feeling and commitment goes both ways, and applies to the man as much as it applies to the woman. It is no great secret what causes virginity to be lost, for it is being unfaithful sexually to the one you are espoused to marry. If a woman has been unfaithful, and is with child, how could she expect that she could be accepted by the man she was espoused to, when she is carrying another man's child? Paul is afraid that if Christians start listening to these fairy-tale preachers, they will be taken by the wrong christ, or Satan the Antichrist [the instead of Christ]. Then when Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trumpet, they will be found unworthy to be part of "the bride of Christ". Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 24:19; "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" He was not referring to a mother with a child in her womb, but spiritually speaking, Christians that have given themselves over to the wrong husband. In ignorance they will have been deceived into climbing into the spiritual bed of Satan, and their hearts have been given over to the Satan. If you are one of the whores of Satan, than you cannot be one of the virgins of Christ waiting with your lamps full of oil [which is the truth from God's Word] that is waiting for the coming of the bridegroom, which is Jesus Christ. Paul now is putting it into a language that most anyone can understand. Paul is saying; "I'm afraid that one of these false teachers is going to seduce you."Do you understand this,it ties right in with what Christ said about those who are with child and give suck,do you grasp the meaning of being with child and giving suck,think I will explain that one to,and do forgive me for such a long post,but as I said this is such a very important topicMatthew 24:19 "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! "Woe" means that something real bad is about to happen, this means hell bound for sure. This verse has nothing to do with childbirth, or the caring for your children. Jesus is not going against the teachings of Almighty God, but this is directed to another marriage, a spiritual marriage. The purpose of this flesh age is so that each soul would pass through this earth age one time, and only one time. This was done so that each soul could make up his mind whether he would follow God or Satan.Jesus is speaking in a spiritual sense about those that that become impregnated with the mark of the beast. That "Mark of the beast", is a mark of service that is hidden over a long period of time. We are to know this mark, by getting to know who the Kenites are, because when you do not know who they are, then your are taking "the Mark of the beast". By not knowing the Kenites, and what they do, you become deceived by them, and drawn into their service. This is taking the mark in your forehead, and in your right hand; as recorded in Revelation 13:15-18.The bride of Christ is Christ church, made of all the members of the body of Christ. That is the bride of Christ, and today any person on the face of the earth can be a member of that bride of Christ. If you believe in Jesus Christ, and repented in Jesus name, you are a part of the bride of Christ. The husband then is Jesus Christ, and we are told to wait for His coming.If you have taken on another husband before Jesus return to earth, then spiritually you become married to another husband, being Satan. Christ is bringing this spiritual lesson down to a level of emotions that we can understand. It means that they didn't wait on the true husband, and now, spiritually they stand with child by the wrong husband, and are feeding others [giving suck] the spiritual bad milk that draws them to Satan. They are not virgins, Why? Because they are caring small children in a spiritual sense, and have become impregnated in their mind with the deceptions of Satan, the Antichrist. And they literally nourish along the work of Satan. This is the same as we saw in Revelation 13:15-18, receiving the "mark in your forehead, and in your right hand." The right hand refers to the fact that if you are in the world system, you will also will do the work of the world. We are living in that generation where many are going to be taught to worship Satan, right from their own Sunday school classes.You would do well to study Matt 24(think I will post it)for in it Christ told us everything that must and shall happen before His return and if you were to read it you would plainly see,that a rapture is not one of them