IS ALL SIN FORGIVEN ?

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DNB

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Your posts attempting to explain away bible truth prove the texts all by themself.


Your posts and avoiding of truth need no commentary.

There is no "other side " of these truths. There are those who understand and believe, and those who do not. I and other confessional believers have seen these truths and believed them.
It is like believing the trinity...there is no other side. There is truth and error....no considering Christ denying ideas as viable.

Titus 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

There it is again....

It does not say anything about those who accept anything, it speaks of the faith of God's elect, about their salvation promised before the world was, but now manifested
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Notice, It is plainly stated, no mental gymnastics as you and others employ....Just bible truth written straight out to believers who welcome it.
I really think that Romans supports much better the position that you are trying to establish, namely predestination. I'm surprised that you've chosen the ones that you have, because I personally feel that those are ambiguous, ...or actually, leaning towards the principle of faith, not the election of the faithful?
Either way, boy are you ever closed minded, dogmatic and deluded. You can't even recognize the over-arching principle, throughout the Bible, of free-will and being accountable for our behaviour and belief. Not only that, but the wisdom and necessity of love to be uncoerced and voluntary.
Your narrow-minded perception just screams incompetence, it's impossible to be reasonable with you?
Anthony, are you KJVO also? I hope you're not, but your irrationality has got KJVO written all over it? Again, I hope that you're not!
 
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Anthony D'Arienzo

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DNB,

I really think that Romans supports much better the position that you are trying to establish, namely predestination
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The "position" is everywhere in scripture, I have no need to establish it. It is already established by God and believed by millions of confessional believers throughout history and currently.

I'm surprised that you've chosen the ones that you have, because I personally feel that those are ambiguous, ...or actually, leaning towards the principle of faith, not the election of the faithful?
I am sure you "feel" that way, but scripture stands despite how you or I feel.

Either way, boy are you ever closed minded, dogmatic and deluded.[/QUOTE]

To someone like you, I am sure it seems that way. Your personal view of me does not change the truth of scripture. You are welcome to say what you want about me, I do not believe in censorship.

You can't even recognize the over-arching principle, throughout the Bible, of free-will and being accountable for our behaviour and belief.[/QUOTE]

Your "overarching view" as you call it is a failed attempt to replace the wisdom and word of God with your false carnal philosophy. Not one verse in scripture speaks or teaches FREE WILL EXISTS , OUTSIDE OF CARNAL PHILOSOPHY. So much for your overarching,:oops:
Not only that, but the wisdom and necessity of love to be uncoerced and voluntary.[/QUOTE]

Do not see such a verse either, new age philosophy perhaps, but not scripture as God's people are made willing by the power of God.Psalm 110:3

Your narrow-minded perception just screams incompetence, it's impossible to be reasonable with you?[/QUOTE]

It might scream something to you. However you will never show such biblically, of that I am fairly confident

Anthony, are you KJVO also? I hope you're not, but your irrationality has got KJVO written all over it? Again, I hope that you're not!

No, I am not. I do use a Thompson Chain Kj, Youngs literal translation, NkjV,
 
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The "position" is everywhere in scripture, I have no need to establish it. It is already established by God and believed by millions of confessional believers throughout history and currently.
You know, the minute that someone equates their views with that of God's, they are not to be taken seriously. You know that, right?

I am sure you "feel" that way, but scripture stands despite how you or I feel.
It shows a lack of understanding on your part. Had you chosen more decisive passages, it would make me feel that you had a more comprehensive understanding of the issue at hand.

To someone like you, I am sure it seems that way. Your personal view of me does not change the truth of scripture. You are welcome to say what you want about me, I do not believe in censorship.
No, but you should believe in a fair assessment of a thesis, of which you have not undertaken. Again, you won't even acknowledge the Scriptural controversy.

Your "overarching view" as you call it is a failed attempt to replace the wisdom and word of God with your false carnal philosophy. Not one verse in scripture speaks or teaches FREE WILL EXISTS , OUTSIDE OF CARNAL PHILOSOPHY. So much for your overarching,
The Mosaic Law, with its approx 20 capital crimes, implies free will and accountability, don't you think?

Do not see such a verse either, new age philosophy perhaps, but not scripture as God's people are made willing by the power of God.Psalm 110:3
People were stoned for violation of certain Levitical Laws.

It might scream something to you. However you will never show such biblically, of that I am fairly confident
You're stubborn as a mule!

No, I am not. I do use a Thompson Chain Kj, Youngs literal translation, NkjV,
Ok, some redeeming qualities, ...still pretty close to KJVO though.
 

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You know, the minute that someone equates their views with that of God's, they are not to be taken seriously. You know that, right?


It shows a lack of understanding on your part. Had you chosen more decisive passages, it would make me feel that you had a more comprehensive understanding of the issue at hand.


No, but you should believe in a fair assessment of a thesis, of which you have not undertaken. Again, you won't even acknowledge the Scriptural controversy.


The Mosaic Law, with its approx 20 capital crimes, implies free will and accountability, don't you think?


People were stoned for violation of certain Levitical Laws.


You're stubborn as a mule!


Ok, some redeeming qualities, ...still pretty close to KJVO though.
We need to deal with scripture, not your view, not my view, but Gods view.
I offered only a few verses with no commentary.

Men are fully responsible for their sin Acts17:30

Men are bound by sin, their self will is bound.
Nothing in scripture implies free will which does not exist.
God is not free to sin.
God is not free to change.
Jesus came to do the Fathers will, not his own.
We are never free to sin.
Not here or in heaven.
We are able to sin but never free to sin.
 
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We need to deal with scripture, not your view, not my view, but Gods view.
I offered only a few verses with no commentary.

Men are fully responsible for their sin Acts17:30

Men are bound by sin, their self will is bound.
Nothing in scripture implies free will which does not exist.
God is not free to sin.
God is not free to change.
Jesus came to do the Fathers will, not his own.
We are never free to sin.
Not here or in heaven.
We are able to sin but never free to sin.

Nice summary, it explains a lot of your theology.
I do not agree with almost all your positions, but good summarization all the same.

...oh, by the way, every point that you cited above, is solely your view on what you believe God's Word to be saying.
And equally, every single position that I hold and express on this site, is entirely and exclusively just my feeble view on what I believe the Word of God to be imparting.
And that goes for everyone on this forum, and every other Christian forum in the world.
Just to clarify!
 
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Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

This verse declares we have forgiveness for ALL sin, not as some say, only for sins we confess, and repent of.
The amoral, lawless will say yes, sin is not a measure for judgement after the cross. It sounds so reassuring, because life is just seeing the free gift.

The fact all of scripture is about God His ways and following them, knowing His will and doing it, it is odd a belief that is the opposite of the gospel would be anyones position.

A simple question is do you love me? If not you do not know Jesus. I am not special, but as a believer our love for fellow elect is our mark of reality.

Sin is always sin, and needs repenting of. Once you go beyond repentance and purity, Christ is not there, ever. Where ever Christ goes so does love and holiness. Light has no place in darkness. God bless you all
 
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Nice summary, it explains a lot of your theology.
I do not agree with almost all your positions, but good summarization all the same.

...oh, by the way, every point that you cited above, is solely your view on what you believe God's Word to be saying.
And equally, every single position that I hold and express on this site, is entirely and exclusively just my feeble view on what I believe the Word of God to be imparting.
And that goes for everyone on this forum, and every other Christian forum in the world.
Just to clarify!
You can go with that if you want.
You do not agree with scripture however as each comment does agree with the bible.
God's word says one truth. It does not say one thing to you and then change for someone else.
Each portion you do not agree with are the portions you have wrong.
 
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You can go with that if you want.
You do not agree with scripture however as each comment does agree with the bible.
God's word says one truth. It does not say one thing to you and then change for someone else.
Each portion you do not agree with are the portions you have wrong.
You are dogmatic, and stubborn as a mule!
Do you have any awareness of the implications of what you're stating? You are claiming infallibility to your stance on Scripture.
I can sit here and affirm without reservation, that I may be wrong, that I can appreciate the passages in Scripture that are contentious to my views, that I don't have enough wisdom, humility & faith to be entirely correct on anything, and that I can only hope that my exegesis hasn't defamed God in any manner, or lead anyone astray.
What about you Mister know-it-all, who has a perfect understanding of God's Word?
I will assure you that anyone as dogmatic and audacious as yourself, are almost invariably wrong about their views, either in their conclusion, or the process to get there.
 

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I don't think my salvation is affected one way or the other if I believe all sin is forgiven, or just some sin. But what most assuredly would affect my salvation is whether I believe my sin is forgiven. That's the clincher. And it's the same for everyone else here. The question you need to answer in the affirmative and believe that answer,

Is your sin forgiven?

And how do you know? Because you feel good? Or because Christ died for you?
 

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You are dogmatic, and stubborn as a mule!
Do you have any awareness of the implications of what you're stating? You are claiming infallibility to your stance on Scripture.
I can sit here and affirm without reservation, that I may be wrong, that I can appreciate the passages in Scripture that are contentious to my views, that I don't have enough wisdom, humility & faith to be entirely correct on anything, and that I can only hope that my exegesis hasn't defamed God in any manner, or lead anyone astray.
What about you Mister know-it-all, who has a perfect understanding of God's Word?
I will assure you that anyone as dogmatic and audacious as yourself, are almost invariably wrong about their views, either in their conclusion, or the process to get there.
Calling me names only highlights your defective understanding. Millions have agreed with what I have posted.
 

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Sorry, are your last 2 statements contradictory?

No.
Israel had to only believe on his name for eternal life but to enter the kingdom they had to keep his commandments. If they were unprofitable they would not enter (Matthew 25:30 Luke 13:28).
 
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No, it is not. This is directed to believers that are saved for why they are to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in 1 John 1:3-7

If we think our fellowship depends on walking in the light, then we are denying what was revealed to Paul about God's faithfulness toward us in 1 Corinthians 1:8-9.
 

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Doug,

The text of 1 John does not teach us that. You have imposed your interpretation on the text.

John writes to believers, “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 Jn. 5:13). For John, when a person has believed on the name of the Son of God, he is born again (Jn. 3:15-16).

Here in 1 John, the one who has believed in the Son of God has “overcome the world” (1 Jn. 5:5).

John does not state he has "written to you Jewswho believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 Jn. 5:13).

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The verses you cite are verses that uphold the contention that 1 John is indeed written to the remnant of Israel and not the church today, the body of Christ.

The Jews had only to believe in the name of Jesus, that he was Messiah, the Son of God for eternal life (John 3:16-18 John 20:31). This is not our gospel. Yes, we believe he is Christ, the Son of God, but we are not saved by just believing in his name.

The gospel for this dispensation is that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification unto eternal life (Romans 3:21-26 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
 

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Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

This verse declares we have forgiveness for ALL sin, not as some say, only for sins we confess, and repent of.

its not complicated one life dies which would die anyway because it has been condemned since Adam and Eve. and is replaced with the Life of Christ which is sinless so by virtue of receiving the Life of Christ, the sinful life has been removed and one's soul lives. so all sin and the memory thereof will eventually be a goner.

when you're born into the world you receive a life and agree to life that life by living it that is condemned to death. there many be a stay of execution but it will happen. but the Life of Christ is eternal.

what many don't seem to understand is, that God gave (Luk3:38) "Adam, which was the son of God.", God's place in the earth. to execute God's Judgement in the earth which is Life. (see Jesus who is the Son of God) but A&E died from that Life they received and were left with dust to dust ashes to ashes as the animals already had seeing that man was also flesh. a stay of execution. which is why the sons of man are born into condemnation. animals have no contract with their Creator, but man does (Gen 2:15-17), even if an individual denies any agreement with their Creator and Judge they agreed to not only receive the life of condemnation but live it, by living it. which is the life received from A&E.
 

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If we think our fellowship depends on walking in the light, then we are denying what was revealed to Paul about God's faithfulness toward us in 1 Corinthians 1:8-9.

There are 2 ways for Him to confirm us unto the end, as a vessel unto honor in His House for those abiding in Him and His words or as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for not abiding in Him & His words. Walking in darkness runs the risk of not being part of the firstfruits of the resurrection as vessels unto honor to be received when the Bridegroom comes for the abiding bride of Christ, but cut off and left behind to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation, but both are in His House and that depends on how we build on that foundation which Jesus will judge.

So there is a terror of the Lord to take heed of for why Jesus warned believers to be ready or else in "when" & "how" we will be received, brother.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Believers will be cut off for not abiding in Him, but in spite of the weeping and gnashing of their teeth over being left behind, this is why God will wipe the tears from their eyes since a miracle will be needed to get past that great loss for being damned forever as that vessel unto dishonor In His House, but that is the Lord confirming them unto the end. Why are there vessels unto dishonor in His House? To testify to the power of God in salvation for all those who believe in Him, even in His name as that is God confirming the least in the kingdom of God.

Matthew 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So does a believer feel "lucky" to continue to live in sin?

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 12: 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

The prodigal son is still son in spite of giving up his inheritance for wild living, but the loss is still there for he can never get that first inheritance back just like Esau could not.
 

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The verses you cite are verses that uphold the contention that 1 John is indeed written to the remnant of Israel and not the church today, the body of Christ.

The Jews had only to believe in the name of Jesus, that he was Messiah, the Son of God for eternal life (John 3:16-18 John 20:31). This is not our gospel. Yes, we believe he is Christ, the Son of God, but we are not saved by just believing in his name.

The gospel for this dispensation is that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification unto eternal life (Romans 3:21-26 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

False again. Please don't read into 1 John what is not there. That's called eisegesis.
 
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No.
Israel had to only believe on his name for eternal life but to enter the kingdom they had to keep his commandments. If they were unprofitable they would not enter (Matthew 25:30 Luke 13:28).
What's the difference between the Kingdom, and eternal life?
 

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You are dogmatic, and stubborn as a mule!
Do you have any awareness of the implications of what you're stating? You are claiming infallibility to your stance on Scripture.
I can sit here and affirm without reservation, that I may be wrong, that I can appreciate the passages in Scripture that are contentious to my views, that I don't have enough wisdom, humility & faith to be entirely correct on anything, and that I can only hope that my exegesis hasn't defamed God in any manner, or lead anyone astray.
What about you Mister know-it-all, who has a perfect understanding of God's Word?
I will assure you that anyone as dogmatic and audacious as yourself, are almost invariably wrong about their views, either in their conclusion, or the process to get there.

Instead of the above attempt to ridicule another and exalt yourself as a humble specimen of humanity, what is wrong with being dogmatic? Study leads to dogmatic soundness.

Also, you've failed to address scripture with any semblance of a refutation. Basically you reject what scripture plainly says, 2 Timothy 1:9 for instance. God elects based on nothing in man, but only according to his purpose, kind of like, you know, he's God or something. You think this is unfair. Romans 9:20? Is that you there?
 
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