BIBLE VERSIONS CAN AFFECT SALVATION

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amadeus

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Satan omitted this in Psalm 91:11 " to keep thee in all thy ways."
A difference in words rather the difference in whether we are submitted to some other spirit or the Holy Spirit? If my own final end is dependent on what I have memorized rather than the Spirit to which I have submitted myself, I am in trouble indeed. Is God going to check our brains or hearts? Is anyone with an IQ below 100 lost? Is anyone who cannot quote the 23rd psalm and/or John 3:16 lost? I speak of those two because I always stumble when I try to say either one of them from memory. Where to draw the line...!? Help us dear Lord!

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48
 
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Let's look at Isaiah 28 more to see what ought to be avoided.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

We can easily stumble if we go line by line, here a little and there a little. . . while rejecting how the weary can find rest. The Word of God is not meant to be taken here a little and there a little by studying lines of words in the Bible. We must "hear." Therein lies the struggle. If we are in the stage of depending on holy books and holy men, we are not yet weaned from the milk. We must struggle along, moving forward so that we come to hear the Voice of God for ourselves. We must also take care to look at our deeds daily to see if our fruits are good or bad. If we are bearing good fruit, we can be confident we're on the right path.

False teachers, by the way, often claim to hear the Voice of God. It is easy to follow the wrong teachers. If they are true teachers, they will get their students to the point where they no longer need them as teachers. The students grow up spiritually and can hear for themselves. This is what Jesus did with his disciples. They couldn't hear the Voice of God at first. It took a while under Jesus' discipline before they could hear for themselves.

The proper teacher does not want an eternal relationship with his students where he remains the only person considered to have authority. The proper teacher knows he can hear the Voice of God for himself -- and he wants his students to learn how to hear for themselves as well -- and he insists they advance. Thus there are stages to it -- first the milk, then the meat.

1 Corinthians 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:


Notice how heavily the disciples leaned on Jesus. That was the correct thing for them to do for the time they did it. Then the time came that they needed to grow up, and Jesus knew it. They needed to start hearing the Voice of God for themselves.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

But they first " surrendered their lives" , faithed into Christ, not just believed in Him.
 
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Unless you don't understand what saving Faith is.
I can't say I know what your definition is. I say you can determine quite easily if you got it or not. Sheep have "saving faith" in their shepherd, so they do what he tells them to do.

Some want to talk about "faith" as an abstract noun, unrelated to reality. I wonder sometimes if their "faith" lies in their own definition of the word "faith" and abstract doctrines.
 
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I can't say I know what your definition is. I say you can determine quite easily if you got it or not. Sheep have "saving faith" in their shepherd, so they do what he tells them to do.

Some want to talk about "faith" as an abstract noun, unrelated to reality. I wonder sometimes if their "faith" lies in their own definition of the word "faith" and abstract doctrines.

Take a minute to go into my posting history. 95% of my posts are about my understanding of Faith correctly understood.
 

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Please explain!
I did not use the word "believe" in my post. I did note that they leaned heavily on Jesus. Yes, that was more than a mere idea that got sown in them, only to wither shortly afterwards. I often avoid using the word "believe" since I think it's can be misunderstood.

Take a minute to go into my posting history. 95% of my posts are about my understanding of Faith correctly understood.
I got that.
 
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I did not use the word "believe" in my post. I did note that they leaned heavily on Jesus. Yes, that was more than a mere idea that got sown in them, only to wither shortly afterwards. I often avoid using the word "believe" since I think it's can be misunderstood.



Withered?
The disciples maintained their surrendered lives until they were horribly tortured and murdered, still leaning on Christ. Save John.

Withered?
The disciples maintained their surrendered lives until they were horribly tortured and murdered, still leaning on Christ. Save John.[/QUOTE
 

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New King James 1 Corinthians 1:18. 'For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.'

This is the correct translation. sozomenois, 'are being saved,' is in the Present tense, which in Greek denotes continuous action.
The KJV regularly gets its tenses wrong.
 
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Just " believing" is not even a true act of Faith.

Faith is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

Defined by the Vines as " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

The Strong's," pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

Not your fault that your being decieved, but will be if you don't look into it!

The spirit now working in the children of disobedience" is "a liar from the beginning" now speaking as the Spirit of God in them.
 

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I could never understand the issue, even today. I understood so little about the 'comma' I can't remember what the 'comma' is or was about.
I think, 1 John 5:7
'...there are three that bear witness in heaven, Father, Son & Holy Spirit, and these three are 1...'
Does not appear in any of the earliest manuscripts. Greek, not until 10th century. Latin, around 5th century
 

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I think, 1 John 5:7
'...there are three that bear witness in heaven, Father, Son & Holy Spirit, and these three are 1...'
Does not appear in any of the earliest manuscripts. Greek, not until 10th century. Latin, around 5th century
Thanks, I now can recall Shakespeare's play we had in matric ... 'Much ado about nothin or somethin...
 
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Thanks, I now can recall Shakespeare's play we had in matric ... 'Much ado about nothin or somethin...
Stupid me, I told myself not to take you seriously, ...but then thought, maybe he has half a brain?
Boy, was I wrong!
 

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But serious, Bible translation(s) not only affect, but effect Christian Doctrine. And as always I refer to Sunday observance and Sabbath abhorrence primarily, which in our time have gained undue as well as due doctrinal and ethical importance and proportion. Not to mention social
 
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Actually, "are being saved" is a more accurate translation of the Greek.

Correct. τοῖς δὲ σῳζομένοις ἡμῖν δύναμις θεοῦ ἐστιν = "but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

The present participle expresses continuous or repeated action. "the form of a verb, ending in -ing in English, which is used in forming continuous tenses, e.g. in "I'm thinking," alone in nonfinite clauses, e.g. "in sitting here, I haven't a care in the world," as a noun, e.g. in "good thinking," and as an adjective, e.g. in "running water."

It is present participle in every single known MSS, without exception.

No offense to anyone posting on this thread, but the KJV translation is in error, thus to make a doctrine out of this verse from the KJV translation would be to teach error.
 
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Does not appear in any of the earliest manuscripts.
The myth about "the earliest manuscripts" is just that. FAKE NEWS. The earliest manuscripts (meaning primarily Aleph and B) are the most corrupt.

There is more than enough documentary evidence to support the authenticity of 1 John 5:7. There is also plenty of internal and grammatical support.
 

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No offense to anyone posting on this thread, but the KJV translation is in error, thus to make a doctrine out of this verse from the KJV translation would be to teach error.
Why is this in error? Only those who are saved see and have experienced that the preaching of the cross is the power of God. While the literal translation of σῳζομένοις (sōzomenois) is "who are being saved", the spiritual truth is "who are saved". Hence the following translations all agree (even the Catholic Douay-Rheims). Note that Darby was generally following Westcott & Hort, but in this case he followed the KJV, and so did the American Standard Version.

KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

GENEVA BIBLE

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

American Standard Version
For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.

Darby Bible Translation
For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but to us that are saved it is God's power.

Webster's Bible Translation
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness; but to us who are saved, it is the power of God.

World English Bible
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are saved it is the power of God.