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Ezra

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Revelation 3:19
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

In the OSAS belief ?
Why would God correct, beat his children with stern words and punishment ?
My thought is why is this needed if we are OSAS and cannot overcome the so call sin nature ?
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I would like to pose a question to ALL those who say if you sin after being saved you were never really saved.

Question is this ,have any of you sinned since being saved?

No.

In other words have you been perfect since???????

Been Perfect? No

Been Perfected IN Christ? Yes

Glory to God,
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the Bible says SIN shall not have dominion ( control) over us because we are under grace and not law , the Biggest problem is people does not understand grace or just how secure in Christ we are . there is no license to sin we will but we have a advocate
 

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Is grace the same as love ?
Love covers a multitudes of sins ?
God loves you and forgive you of your sins
God so love the world, sent his son to die so sin can be covered by him ?
 

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[QUOTE="Ezra,
Is grace the same as love ?love is part of Grace
Love covers a multitudes of sins ? yes love does but it does not pardon sin Grace does that through Love[/QUOTE]

Grace does have love in it.
Does love save you ? 3:16
So love came first to forgive us of our sins and to save us from the works of sin.
So is grace the blood applied to pardon us of our past sins ?

Grace as I studied it in the bible has so many different uses, its not always saving grace.
I have found grace is not always eternal.
 

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Is grace the same as love ?
Love covers a multitudes of sins ?
God loves you and forgive you of your sins
God so love the world, sent his son to die so sin can be covered by him ?

My point is,we must ask for repentance ,which is not the same as being saved again,as once we are saved,we good,but again we still must repent.
 

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the Bible says SIN shall not have dominion ( control) over us because we are under grace and not law , the Biggest problem is people does not understand grace or just how secure in Christ we are . there is no license to sin we will but we have a advocate

sin is the transgression of the law,the law still stands.
 

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but again we still must repent.
< shrugs >
In the Bible, most of mankind refuses to repent.

Others who trample under foot the grace of Jesus, can repent all they want - yet there remains no sacrifice for their sin. They are doomed without hope as written.
 
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< shrugs >
In the Bible, most of mankind refuses to repent.

Others who trample under foot the grace of Jesus, can repent all they want - yet there remains no sacrifice for their sin. They are doomed without hope as written.
Not understanding what you saying,are you saying to repent means nothing???

I quoted (paraphrased) , as is usual for me and some others, Scripture:

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we ...

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, if. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, …. Leviticus 4:2,13
 
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I quoted (paraphrased) , as is usual for me and some others, Scripture:

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we ...

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, if. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, …. Leviticus 4:2,13
To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action with no repentance, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, habitual, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

In regards to Hebrews 6:4-6, once enlightened means to bring to light, to shed light upon or to cause light to shine upon some object, in the sense of illuminating it. John 1:9 describes Jesus, the "true Light," giving light "to every man," but this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. The light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject the light.

In regards to "tasted of the heavenly gift and the good word of God and the powers of the age to come," they may have tasted in such a way as to give them a distinct impression of what was tasted, yet they still fell away. Inherent in the idea of tasting is the fact that one might or might not decide to accept what is tasted. For example, the same word tasted (geuomai) is used in Matthew 27:34 to say that those crucifying Jesus "offered him wine to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it." Do we taste into one Spirit or drink into one Spirit?(1 Corinthians 12:13).

In regards to partakers of the Holy Ghost, the word translated "partaker" can certainly refer to a saving partaking in Christ, as we read in Hebrews 3:14, yet it can also refer to a less than saving association or participation. See Luke 5:7 and Hebrews 1:9 - "comrades, companions," which describes one who shares with someone else as an associate in an undertaking. These Hebrews who fell away had obviously in some aspect shared in the ministry of the Holy Spirit, but in what way and to what extent? There are other ministries of the Holy Spirit which precede receiving the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit, which only genuine believers receive. Such people certainly may have experienced sorrow for sin, heard and understood the gospel and have given some assent to it and have become associated with the work of the Holy Spirit while around believers, been exposed to the true preaching of the word of God, yet have simply tasted and stopped there. The experiences in Hebrews 6:4-6 are all preliminary to those decisive beginning stages of becoming a Christian, yet some draw back to perdition after receiving the 'knowledge' of the truth and do not believe to the saving of the soul, as we see in (Hebrews 10:26-39)

These Hebrews who fall short of obtaining salvation certainly may have become partakers of the Holy Spirit in his pre-salvation ministry, convicting of sin and righteousness and judgment to come by tasting the good word of God and temporarily responded to His drawing power which is intended to ultimately lead unbelievers to Christ, yet the writer of Hebrews does not use conclusive terms that these individuals were "indwelled by the Holy Spirit" or "sealed by the Holy Spirit." Genuine believers who believe the gospel are sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption. (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30)
 
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What was sin from the beginning ?
Has sin changed at all, is it still the same ?
Sin is not of itself existence, but it come from a willful person.
Where there is no law there is no sin to commit.
So did Jesus take away all laws so we cannot sin ?
Did Jesus come to change our heart so we don't sin against his commandments ?
Or is it 40 times 7 he keep forgiving us even tho we don't change ?
 

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Revelation 3:19
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

In the OSAS belief ?
Why would God correct, beat his children with stern words and punishment ?
My thought is why is this needed if we are OSAS and cannot overcome the so call sin nature ?
Last I checked God did not make his children perfect. Paul called the Corinthian church babes in Christ at one time. A babe has to learn. We learn by chosing with our free will to do things, When we chose wrong, Just like our parents, God chastens us.

I would hope you would cherish these as God does it for our good. Not complain about it
 
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