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"Just like to add to Christina's comment about Matthew 5:18 that it's completely true, but don't take the Old Testament laws literally for they are highly spiritual." -- MightyBear-- The Ten Commandments, for example
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The first, second and third commandments sound the same to me, it's about loving God, no false gods or idols. The fourth commandment, I believe, is not about a day of the week, it's the time of rest when you become aware of the Holy Spirit within you. The rest of the commandments sounds plain to me.Matthew 22:37-40 ESV And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. (38) This is the great and first commandment. (39) And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (40) On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."Hebrews 4:10 ESV for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.Ten Commandments
 

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Thou shalt not kill, steal, commit adultery, take the Lord's name in vain, etc. sound pretty concrete (read: literal) to me.And by your own admission you say that the 4th Amendment is your assumption, but God could have meant that literally, as well.The new New Test. scriptures you posted do not disagree with or negate that fact. There are some rules God laid down that pertained to specific enemies that his people were facing at the time, but many of his rules and promises are literally...well...literal.I'm not sure what the point of your last post was.
 

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Hello everyone,I am new here and recently converted to Christianity from Islam and I accepted Jesus as my Saviour and Lord.I am looking for a church but there are so many denominations and so many cultic movements that I am very confused.I was invited to a church by a lady i met by chance in a mall and when i went, it had about 2,000 people and they are broken up into cells of 12 and they have tried to get me to go to a retreat called Encounter and to attend cell meetings...For some reason, I feel a bit uncomfortable and would like to "shop" around to see what church would be right for me.Any pointers, suggestions, etc would be good.People told me, just pick a church that follows the BIble. But as a new Christian, how do I know that they don't or do follow the Bible? That their interpretation is not right? This is all very hard to do if you dont have knowledge of the Scriptures...I know for sure that I am not drawn to the Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox church. I appreciate any advice, pointers, suggestions .... Thank you.
Just go to Jesus for wisdom in understanding His Words for He is the Good Shepherd. Due to the falling away of the faith, it is necessary now more than ever to place your trust in the Lord to lead you and guide you in the way you ought to go. Maybe the Lord will provide likeminded believers to have a Bible Study in yours or their home?
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1 John 2:19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.Matthew 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.Living the christian life is the same as looking to Him for eternal life... by faith.Galatians 2:20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Philippians 3: 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: ....9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.Colossians 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; I would recommend reading the scriptures and having Bible Studies with like minded believers if God provides.
Hello dear friends,I want to thank everyone who took the time to answer my post with suggestions and words of encouragement.
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Just a little update.I have been church shopping this whole time, visiting several churchs. I have prayed and asked for God to guide me to the right church for me, to a place where I would be able to contribute and serve and grow in Christ. This whole process has resulted in me finding a church where I am feeling at home. Last sunday, I was baptized in water !!
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God be praised. It is a wonderful feeling overall to be in a place where the teachings are Biblical and where sunday services spend a lot of time on Bible chapters. All in all, an inspiring place on many levels. I dont want to get into the denominational debates about speaking in tongues (the church I have found is a Pentecostal church by the way
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) and I know that some of us prefer not to have a physical church. As far as I am concerned, I feel this need to have a physical church and face-to-face fellowship...
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I appreciate again all the support and guidance!!!! FaraLady
Missed this update. Sorry.Sounds good, but Pentecostal? All I can say is that if teachings takes your eyes off of Jesus in the study of His words and start putting the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in the comings and goings of signs and wonders, preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only one baptism of the Holy vSpirit and that happens as promised at salvation by Jesus Christ, then ask Jesus if that is not a time to leave.1 Corinthians 12:13 & Epehsians 4:4-6 & 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & Ephesians 1:12-15 & Galatians 3:14,26 & Hebrews 11:1,6 Don't heed any invitation to go after the Holy Spirit for He is already in you as promised by Jesus and received by faith and not by sight. We have entered into that rest provided by Jesus and why we shall not hunger nor thirst anymore because of coming to and believing in Jesus. Hebrews 4:1-3,9-11 & John 6:35 & Colossians 2:5-10 & Matthew 9:17
 

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God only nominated one church and one faith.
Aren't the catholic saying the same thing?
From the styart (Pentecost), seekers were told (Acts 2:37-38):repent (turn from any other way, religious or not)be baptised (immersed, obviously as a believer)receive the Holy Spirit which the previous verses detail, being identified with speaking in tongues.
Whoah. We are identified by faith in Jesus Christ. If Pentecost was the church like catholic, I would think the name of that church would be mentioned in the letters to all tongue speaking churches and addressed as one of the seven churches in Revelation, but it is not. See any exhortation to "keep the tongues within to knoweth thou art from God? If any man speak not in tongues, he is a pretender and a hindrance to our vainglorying." No. We don't.
Man has de-nominated that Way, God will have none of it.Only the faithful will be his bride, he will not marry a whore.
Actually, those that are preaching "another" baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues are turning every believer to look after a sign as an adulterous generation by climbing up another way and not after Christ Jesus. All invitations points to Jesus and to avoid false prophets and false spirits, believers are instructed to narrow the way back to the straight gate: Matthew 7:13-14 & Luke 13:24 Jesus Christ... our first love... the Bridegroom. Climbing up another way.. chasing after the Holy Spirit when He is already in them... that is the definition of de-nominating the Way and whoring after another spirit to receive, thinking it to be the Holy Spirit as if calling for the Holy Spirit to come would make that so whereas no promise of God says we can ask for the Holy Spirit directly, but His Word clearly says that coming to Jesus, the Son of God is the only Way to God the Father in prayer. 1 Timothy 2:5 John 10:1,7-9 and by the Son, we have received the Spirit of promise.
 

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You show zero due respect to God's word!"The gift of tongues" like gift of faith, words of wisdom, knowledhe etc refers specifically to the meetings-use (giving to the church) of what all all Christians already have for private use.
What a faith stealing statement! All those that do not speak in tongues are not of the church because ALL christians already have tongues for private use? If no lie is of the truth, then by what spirit are you speaking from? Sounds like the spirit of error to me, bro. Either reword that statement or explain how when one is born again, it is not received as the world sees it, but you will know Him for He dwelleth in you and shall be in you.John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.Signs follow believers. Believers are not to follow signs. Signs are for unbelievers. So are tongues as a sign.1 Corinthians 14:20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.And yet believers are calling for the Holy Spirit as if He is not in them and so what kind of a report is that? A lie and not of the faith.2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?Psalm 19: 12Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.Colossians 3: 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.2 Timothy 2: 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.So what need is there for a prayer language gained not by way of Jesus Christ?
......is a miraculous unlearned prayer language for speaking to God, not to men (1 Cor. 14:2, 4)"we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (Romans 8:26)
Groanings which cannot be uttered means no sound, brother. Itself in referring to the Holy Spirit as being the means by which He passively or indrectly makes intercessions for us by just being in us as the Comforter thus Jesus as He searches the hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit fulfills the role of the ONLY Mediator between God and man in according to the will of God.Romans 8:27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God....confirmed in verse 34 further down..Romans 8:34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.1 Timothy 2: 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Jesus really meant what He said here...John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.So the Holy Spirit isn't a mediator between us and Jesus or God lest Jesus described Him as a thief by His words, which the Holy Spirit isn't and thus there is no prayer language other than the one gained in the world by the rudiment of seeking another spirit to receive.John 10: 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: .John 10: 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.1 John 4:3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world....1 Timothy 4: 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;So are you sure you did not gain tongues of the world by going after it not by way of Jesus Christ?2 Corinthians 11: 1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Time to discern the tongues and test the spirits, brother, so that your faith may stand apart from the rudiment already found in the world. Thst is a requirement to be found abiding in Hin and in keeping the faith which is the good fight.
That's wht ALL spoke in tongues when they received God's Spirit.If you have never spoken in tongues you are still "in the flesh", "in sin", unwashed etc.
Yep. Sounds like giving everyone cause to fake tongues. Not everyone spoke in tongues. even Paul said that. Another error! Heed the word of God or just what you are reading inbetween the lines?1 Corinthians 14: 5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. So throughout the whole chapter of seeking spiritual gifts, Paul exhorted the gift of prophesy to seek after over all spiritual gifts including tongues as he goes on to explain why as tongues by itself is not a stand alone gift. Why exhort prophesy over tongues unless all do not speak in tongues? There would be no need for contrast, brother.Please discern the words you use.. in preaching tongues as well as the babblings of tongues. Would God give a talent and bury it, thus mimicking prayer language already found in the world? No. And the necessity of praying in tongues is moot because God the Father knows even before we ask so why would the Holy Spirit in us say anything?Thus another spirit is coming inbetween believers and that is what they get for departing from the faith in Jesus Christ. The solution is to narrow the way back to the straight gate. calling on Jesus to deliever you from presumptuous sins that have taken dominion over you because you allowed it by departing from the faith of Christ.
 

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And by your own admission you say that the 4th Amendment is your assumption, but God could have meant that literally, as well.The new New Test. scriptures you posted do not disagree with or negate that fact.
Well, try reading the whole chapter.Hebrews 4
There are some rules God laid down that pertained to specific enemies that his people were facing at the time, but many of his rules and promises are literally...well...literal.I'm not sure what the point of your last post was.
I was referring to Levitical laws and not Exodus. I think Paul's writings on food to be a better guide.Romans 14:3 ESV Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.Romans 14:22-23 ESV The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. (23) But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
 

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Bear, you made a very broad generalization: "but don't take the Old Testament laws literally for they are highly spiritual." A generalization that I was able to show false within seconds. You quote two scriptures in the New Testament that I point out having nothing to do with it and your reply?: "Well, try reading the whole chapter."I have read that chapter more than once and there is nothing there to support your generalization. Is that really the best answer you can come up with?There are several places in the Old Testament where God is clear as a bell (read: literal) as to what he expects.Yes there are some areas that are "highly spiritual" but to imply ALL are, and thus none should not be taken literally is wrong.You are wrong. It really is that simple.
 

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Good for you Faralady. Pleased you have found a place you are happy. Go for it!
THANK YOU!!!!!
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I appreciate this, Tuibird.
Missed this update. Sorry.Sounds good, but Pentecostal? All I can say is that if teachings takes your eyes off of Jesus in the study of His words and start putting the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in the comings and goings of signs and wonders, preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only one baptism of the Holy vSpirit and that happens as promised at salvation by Jesus Christ, then ask Jesus if that is not a time to leave.1 Corinthians 12:13 & Epehsians 4:4-6 & 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & Ephesians 1:12-15 & Galatians 3:14,26 & Hebrews 11:1,6 Don't heed any invitation to go after the Holy Spirit for He is already in you as promised by Jesus and received by faith and not by sight. We have entered into that rest provided by Jesus and why we shall not hunger nor thirst anymore because of coming to and believing in Jesus. Hebrews 4:1-3,9-11 & John 6:35 & Colossians 2:5-10 & Matthew 9:17
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So you think I am in a church that takes eyes off of Jesus?
 

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FaraLady, may I give you my personal experience... 1. One member of the Catholic Church told me NOT to bring my bible whatsoever. And nobody brought there bibles as well.2. Another church, nobody at all brought there bibles except one.3. One last church I went to is Pentecostal Church. I was happy to see that they brought their bibles... it was a KJV which is the best translation in the English Bibles... BUT, they specifically think the Holy Spirit is not God directly, as the Holy Spirit is one of God's roles.They specifically told me that in order to receive the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit)I have to have a requirement of speaking of tongues. (babble, a self- make up language that nobody, including the Body of Christ understands, in short Confusion)I can refute what they told me with these scriptures.John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.--------------------I Corinthians 12:28 - And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.I Corinthians 12:29 - Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?I Corinthians 12:30 - Have all the gifts of healing? [color="Red]do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?[/color]--------------------This is nothing but an Abomination... no where in the bible does it say to have another baptism to receive the Holy Spirit. The only baptism we need is the regeneration of the heart, to accept Christ as Saviour and have Him Lord of our life.Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, one faith, one baptism,II Corinthians 11:4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.--------------------The word tongue means language. It is a Human Language. So in that saying, as long I can teach the Word of God in my language, in this case English, God is not going to reject me, because He didn't give me the gift to speak foreign languages (Other Human Language) so I am perfectly fine speaking English as long you can understand me
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so that I may share the Word of God to everybody that wants to learn.
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"1. One member of the Catholic Church told me NOT to bring my bible whatsoever. And nobody brought there bibles as well.2. Another church, nobody at all brought there bibles except one.3. One last church I went to is Pentecostal Church. I was happy to see that they brought their bibles... it was a KJV which is the best translation in the English Bibles... BUT, they specifically think the Holy Spirit is not God directly, as the Holy Spirit is one of God's roles." -- Jordan-- Three experiences was all you needed to write off church?I grew up Catholic and we brought our Bibles every Sunday after we were Confirmed.Over the years I have either had good friends or dated women who were Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, and Jewish. I of course never went to Synagogue but the only place of the other three that didn't bring their Bibles was the Lutheran church.For the last several years I have attended a Pentecostal church that has been an absolute blessing and source of growth and direction. We spend time in The Word (Bible) every service and they reinforce that the Holy Spirit is God, period. You are mistaken/misinformed/misguided/misled if you feel that those three examples should prove to you that church is not the way for a Christian to go. During difficult times it has been a blessing to have my brothers and sisters pray over me and lift me in prayer. I have also been able to be the same for them in their time of need. That is what a family does.
 

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In Acts 2 the Jews gathered in Jerusalem from other nations overheard the 120 Galilaean disciples speaking in tongues and recognised the languages as from where they came from, these were bi-lingual Jews.Peter stood up, they stopped speaking in tongues, after he explained the gospel to the crowd in the common learned language they understood and took it back to many countries without anyone having to learn a new language to preach with!So, the disciples were speaking in tongues before the others over-heard and even after they did, the crowd were left in doubt and confusion:-"And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?" (Acts 2v12)So, tongues was not an effective way of communicating to other people!I believe teaching must fit all the scriptures on the subject, otherwise we have a confused mind behind them!Please consider 1 Corinthians 14v2:-"he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries"An Analogy:I am walking down the Champs Elyses in Paris and I over-hear two americans talking about their reltionship with someone. I will understand their words, but I would be wrong to asume they are talking to me, and the person they refer to remains a mystery to me.So, what is tongues for?1 Cor. 14v2 says it is for speaking to God. Paul goes on to say he edifies himself and his understanding is unfruitful, i.e. he doesn't understand what he says.These verses further explain:"the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered" (Romans 8:26)"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him. But God has revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God." (1 Cor. 2:9-11)
 

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Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.Acts 2:8 - And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?Acts 2:9-11 - Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.These scriptures told us the same thing about THREE times for emphasis. These are clearly speaking of foreign languages, which are Other Human Languages. I see no reason to Fake a language in which I do not have. To fake a language, is the fact we will get in trouble with God.Just a few questions for you, my dear Sister FaraLady, may I ask if English is your first language? (Your home language) If not, do you think A body of only English speaking people can understand what you are saying with your first language? (Your home language)If not, do you think it will edify us or do you think it will leave Brothers and Sisters in Christ in the dark and will not be able to learn God's Words with your home language?-----------------I am only asking these questions in sincerity and brutally being honest in hope to clear off major confusions on what's going on in this very thread. Because I care for my Brothers and Sisters in Christ too deeply.
 

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So you think I am in a church that takes eyes off of Jesus?
From your last reply of your quote of me..."Sounds good, but Pentecostal? All I can say is that if teachings takes your eyes off of Jesus in the study of His words and start putting the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in the comings and goings of signs and wonders, preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only one baptism of the Holy Spirit and that happens as promised at salvation by Jesus Christ, then ask Jesus if that is not a time to leave."I had posted "if". Pentecostal and Charismatics are known to point to the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit in you is pointing to Jesus. So in other words, if any believer points to the Holy Spirit and seek to glorify the Holy Spirit, then they are not listening to the Holy Spirit in them for He seeks to testify and to glorify the Son.They have a tendency to relive the Day of Pentecost over and over again as if it is like the movie, "Groundhog Day", but we are to be witnesses of what He has done in that we are bought with a price, filled with the Holy Spirit, and thus sealed as His as in saved. That is how we are to be witnesses of the Good News to call Jesus the Good News. So trust Jesus to help you discern what it is that they teach as extras that would take your eyes off of Jesus which the Holy Spirit in you would never do. Those extras has a tendency to go against the simplicity of the Gospel and takes away the rest in Jesus Christ to go on an emotional roller coastewr ride of highs and lows as they hunger for more of that, voiding the promise of Jesus in John 6:35 and the rest that we have in Him that we are complete. Hebrews 4:1-3,9-11 & Colossians 2:5-10
 

Lookin4wardtoHeaven

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(((Faralady))) , I am glad that you found a church that you feel at home in. Remember to keep praying and reading your Bible ( seeking knowledge and guidance from God) Search out the scriptures that are being taught to you ,this way you will know for yourself what is true in God's Word.I will keep you in my prayers,that God continue to guide your footsteps .God bless you:)