what gets me is were not living in a apocalypse it may seem like it.. but the end is not yet. God is using this to get our attention
“Take no thought”, “be not anxious”, “seek you the reign of God”
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Brakelite
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You need to remember my friend that even 9/11 was real. Maybe not in the sense of the official explanation, but some buildings did collapse, people did die. Now what took place after is another story. And the why, and by whom.
This virus thing is a similar story. Not al l the facts are in. But one thing we can be certain of. It is only reasonable and simple common sense not to make an enemy of yourself in the eyes of the state by disobeying the restrictions. One guy already is being charged with a terrorist act for coughing over others. Idiot.
Second, we can assume without any argument that the there are powers, both political and spiritual, who are talking full advantage of the current situation, encouraging the fear and doubt, feeding it even through their own media, with the sole purpose of implementing their globalist agendas. This is inevitable. We cannot fight it. But we can use the present opportunities and freedoms to draw closer to God and sigh and cry for the abomination being done upon the Earth, and surrender ourselves to His purposes that we may do all we can in our own sphere of influence to reveal to the world by example, who God is.
Brakelite
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I would add the following from White's book, Desire of Ages.
In the last great conflict of the controversy with Satan those who are loyal to God will see every earthly support cut off. Because they refuse to break His law in obedience to earthly powers, they will be forbidden to buy or sell. It will finally be decreed that they shall be put to death. See Revelation 13:11-17.. DA 121.3
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you are still not getting what I’m trying to say. I hear you in taking a sword to defend yourself. A weapon of some kind whether it be a gun or a literal sword or whatever. To stockpile and prepare. But you can not promise one stronger than me will not overcome and take away that gun or the stock-pile or plunder what you are suggesting keeps a man from perishing. You can not be there and know. I’m a woman and any man breaks in to my home I could be overcome and the man rob me of everything being much stronger than I am. You speak of perishing in regards to what He said is perishing which is the temporal. When He spoke of another not perishing where one does not die. As the verse said when one stronger comes upon him and takes away the whole armour he has trusted in. It is the “whole-armour of God” that is put on, the New man, where none stronger comes upon ‘this whole armour and takes away the whole armour of God. None stronger. Please, Consider the dangerous and vulnerable situation you are suggesting with me with a gun or literal sword in my hands, with a bag of stockpiled goods ...being convinced this is the whole-armour to be trusted in and is going to keep me from perishing against one stronger.
Brakelite
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One of my favorite verses in scripture and one that is very personal to me, God using it on a at least a couple of occasions to impart to me specific instructions on direction and priority, is
KJV Matthew 6
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
I think it is vital however that we include both the kingdom, and God's righteousness, as things we must seek... On equal importance. Jesus did not leave either as an option.
I remember once specifically asking God in response to remembering this particular verse at a time in my life when I was literally at my wit's end as to what and where to go, "what is your righteousness?"
Do we all have a clear understanding of what Christ's righteousness is? What it is we must thirst and hunger for as He recommends here...?
KJV Matthew 5
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
I think our salvation depends on a true understanding of what this entails.
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Would hope so Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Was just talking to another member about this. “Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you” ...all these things shall be added unto you: Peter 1:5-7 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; [6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; [7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
John 15:4-5 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. [5] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Bobby Jo
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SEE? You HAVE received an "unction" from the Holy Spirit, AND Scripture backs up what the Holy Spirit prompts. And THIS is exactly what we should do, knowing that the day will SOON be here when we can't buy or sell, and we'll need several months of supplies, including Water, Food, Fuel, Shelter, Medicines, and other Necessities.
But all this will FAIL, if we haven't extricated ourselves from major cities:
Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
“Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
... and respective "high value targets", typical of military; command & control (including government); and infrastructure.
And so we live by OBEDIENCE and by FAITH!
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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Of course it does. Why need "faith" when we're told to provide for ourselves:
Lke 22:36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
Furthermore, we don't even need to follow Scripture so long as we have our "church doctrines" and our violent religiosity.
Whew,
Bobby Jo
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@VictoryinJesus
And if you don't mind, -- and it might seem self evident --, my personal favorite is found in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 11:
... which is to say: the kingdom of heaven is obtained by pursuit, and men take it by ardent action. -- It doesn't come from lying on a sofa, watching Oprah, drinking a Pepsi, and eating Lays potato chips, ... as too many practice.
Bobby Jo
And if you don't mind, -- and it might seem self evident --, my personal favorite is found in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 11:
12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence,and men of violence take it by force.
... which is to say: the kingdom of heaven is obtained by pursuit, and men take it by ardent action. -- It doesn't come from lying on a sofa, watching Oprah, drinking a Pepsi, and eating Lays potato chips, ... as too many practice.
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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Hi ViJ,
Actually what I'm hearing from you is FEAR, which justifies your perceptions, -- when I believe BOLDNESS justifies our FAITH. I.e., faith without works is dead.
So I maintain that we're called to take ardent action, which Matt. 11:12 calls "VIOLENCE", -- and not be driven by "fear".
Bobby Jo
Dcopymope
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Then...no, that's part of why Jesus came, to expunge our record. Those whose records are not expunged, will be "judged according to their works", simple.
Dcopymope
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If you are using this media story about a virus that magically spreads person to person as an excuse to crusade for the gospel, then its really got nothing to do with the "terror of the Lord".
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not so sure the “until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force” is praise worthy.
Zephaniah 3:3-5Her princes within her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow. [4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law. [5] The just Lord is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.
2 Samuel 22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
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Hi ViJ,
Actually what I'm hearing from you is FEAR, which justifies your perceptions, -- when I believe BOLDNESS justifies our FAITH. I.e., faith without works is dead.
So I maintain that we're called to take ardent action, which Matt. 11:12 calls "VIOLENCE", -- and not be driven by "fear".
Only asking this fear of what men can do to the body to be overcome.
a call for violence. Really? Isaiah 60:18-19 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise. [19] The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Bobby Jo
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... and so too "Fred" who gently chided me when I gave that different explanation, versus his foreboding. And then after the morning service, he came up and said that I was correct. And in that entire church, "Fred" was one of the few that I knew for certain could hear from the LORD.
Some people only see the words. It takes others to know what they mean.
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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... see above: Some people only see the words. It takes others to know what they mean.
Bobby Jo
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Do you mean ...Vs his (Fred) forbearing? Forbearing is a good word. Makes me think of Luke 9:41 And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.
Bobby Jo
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You didn't like what you read, so you changed what I wrote? That's dishonest.
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I didn't understand it. This is just conversation Bobby Jo. Only saying what the word says to me ...same as you are saying what it says to you. Not a day goes by that I’m not told what i hear is insane or so far off. Even I doubt it. It comes to a point where you start to think maybe you just need to shut up and stop reading. Was thinking last night one of the first things I thought I heard from God was in Ruth where “a hand full of purpose was left” for her in to glean. Thought if God left purpose for Ruth, he would do the same for me as a potential part of His body. I’ve never really had any purpose. Was still thinking of this last night, frustrated. Even what I do daily is frowned upon as being of no purpose and I should seek a purpose. Always seeking...Not trying to prove some doctrine to you as I’m all over the place. Just talking to you about His word.
Bobby Jo
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Hi ViJ,
Maybe I'm the only one who's consistently heard that Matt. 11:12 depicts persecution ("violence") against Christians. And so Fred once again reiterated that same perspective. But I had been "chewing" on that verse for several years, and had arrived to the conclusion that it's not a literal "violence", as in assault and battery, but rather an ardent action not AGAINST Christians, but rather BY Christians to OBTAIN the Kingdom of Heaven.
Similarly, my Father-in-law attached a bumper hitch to his vehicle not at the "bumper" but instead at the a point above the rear axle to give him a "fifth-wheel" effect. I chewed on THAT for several years until I realized it was still a "rear bumper" configuration. And I subsequently asked a co-worker in our car-pool with a BS in Mechanical Engineering what he thought, and he agreed with my Father-in-law. Then I asked our second car-pool rider with a Masters in Mechanical Engineering AND a PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING Certificate, and he also agreed with my Father-in-law. And FINALLY I asked another co-worker with a BS in Mechanical Engineering and he also agreed with my Father-in-law. So then I explained exactly WHY it had no effect, and it was still a "rear bumper" configuration. And the guy with the M.S.M.E. & P.E certificate apparently couldn't admit he was wrong, so he blamed me "for not explaining it correctly". -- Which is to say that he didn't have sufficient integrity to admit he was wrong.
And quite honestly, I typically don't have difficulty solving problems. I can answer Dan. 2, 7, 8, 9, & 11, and Rev. 13 & 17, and the Prophetic Psalms. But others are "lost" before they even start, and I don't get it. It's all so simple, and if it weren't solvable GOD wouldn't have tormented us with concepts we can't perceive. -- It's just the "meat" of the Word!
With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
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