Regeneration before or after saving faith

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Anthony D'Arienzo

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Good response I I am looking forward to answering it in a little while when I stop working now if you could could you give me the reference for where you're quoting from RC. Sproul.
 
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Exactly. The Spirit convicts all of sin. Not all respond with submission, but most turn away and remain in darkness. I don't see anyone arguing that we convicted ourselves. Prevenient grace is the grace of God that goes before and convicts of sin, but it's not irresistible.
Acts 7:51
Some have replied that repentance comes first, which in my understanding would suggest we have the power of ourselves to see sin..... Which I believe is impossible
 

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I feel like my questions aren’t goig to get answered.
Your questions have been answered multiple times only for you to act like they weren't, and then you ask again, and again, and again.

It's either a game, or some thing is driving you to attempt to mitigate the Gospel which explains why you trivialize each Biblical answer and make pretense it didn't answer at all.
 
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Your questions have been answered multiple times only for you to act like they weren't, and then you ask again, and again, and again.

It's either a game, or some thing is driving you to attempt to mitigate the Gospel which explains why you trivialize each Biblical answer and make pretense it didn't answer at all.
Bingo! I’ve answered them, you’ve answered them, @Anthony D'Arienzo has answered them. But unless we give her the answers SHE WANTS, we haven’t answered them for her.

#WashRinseRepeat
 

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Bingo! I’ve answered them, you’ve answered them, @Anthony D'Arienzo has answered them. But unless we give her the answers SHE WANTS, we haven’t answered them for her.

#WashRinseRepeat
Yep. Its been an observation watching her embrace any false gospel, give them kudos, hide her Mormon false gospel and false Christ beliefs, refuse to answer questions, deny the official teachings of her cult (Mormons do this) then attack and mitigate the true Gospel.

No true gospel believer hides their message, note 2 Corinthians 4.

What's amazing is it really doesn't matter to Mormons what others believe concerning Christ because in another life somewhere they believed in him so they're atoned for. Yet, if you preach the Biblical Christ she mitigates that Gospel and goes on her attack fits.

So one can believe whatever they want about Christ just as they've created their false Christ and it's all good unless you reveal the true. To Mormons Christ is a created being spirit brother and they can transcend him in another world and create millions of spirit babies, and other fairy tales...
 
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Bingo! I’ve answered them, you’ve answered them, @Anthony D'Arienzo has answered them. But unless we give her the answers SHE WANTS, we haven’t answered them for her.

#WashRinseRepeat
Actually, I acknowledged and thanked Anthony when he did answer them.

For starters: I thank you for addressing my questions directly.

As I said, my gaol here is to strive to understand you and what/how/why you believe as you do. And this response does illuminate things in that regard. Thank you.
My efforts have been very much try to better understand what Calvinists believe and be respectful while I do so.

The huge amount of flaming I have received for honestly seeking to understand does not help.
 

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Some of you may need to realize when a Mormon says "Christ bless you" they are not speaking of the Christ of Scripture. One needs to understand their terminology.

They only say this to you in order to receive a reciprocal response which to them means you've endorsed them and their Christ. These preceding reasons are why I reject their blessings just as I reject a JW who desires to hear "God bless" from you and/or wants persons to give any amount of money, even pocket change at your door for their "Awake" magazine. They look for any avenue of endorsement.

If you wish to learn more look up some of the podcasts on this link: Podcast — Cultish
 
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Some of you may need to realize when a Mormon says "Chris bless you" they are not speaking of the Christ of Scripture. One needs to understand their terminology.

They only say this to you in order to receive a reciprocal response which to them means you've endorsed them and their Christ. These preceding reasons are why I reject their blessings just as I reject a JW who desires to hear "God bless" from you and/or wants persons to give any amount of money, even pocket change at your door for their "Awake" magazine. They look for any avenue of endorsement.

If you wish to learn more look up some of the podcasts on this link: Podcast — Cultish
“Chris bless you”? Who’s Chris?
 
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@Jane_Doe22 what's the Gospel Jane?
Good question. Listening to their teachings the last many months they use the same words but they have different meanings.

Another question is "Who is their Christ?" That is what needs to be out in the open, but then they will only skirt around this question.

The fact remains that if they answer they may (on forum) only post Scripture to give appearance of being Christian.

John 8:24 is solemn in the face of these questions.
 
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@Jane_Doe22 what's the Gospel Jane?
The Good News: that the Savior has come and remembered His people. He is Jesus Christ, the very Son of God, creator of this world. He was born of a virgin a humble baby, lived a perfect life, suffered, and died - so that we can be redeemed. Me- in my wretchedness - can be redeemed. Our sins wiped away, crimson made white, and resurrected in Him - both literally and figuratively.


Note: there are some people on here that have extremely bad information about what they think I believe. Frankly, this does not match reality. If you want me to address any facts / falsehoods / whatever, just ask. I'm not responding to these individuals & placed them on "ignore" due to their continual flaming of me and others- I'm not here for that. Rather, I'm here to celebrate Christ & better love my fellow man.
 

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The Good News: that the Savior has come and remembered His people. He is Jesus Christ, the very Son of God, creator of this world. He was born of a virgin a humble baby, lived a perfect life, suffered, and died - so that we can be redeemed. Me- in my wretchedness - can be redeemed. Our sins wiped away, crimson made white, and resurrected in Him - both literally and figuratively.


Note: there are some people on here that have extremely bad information about what they think I believe. Frankly, this does not match reality. If you want me to address any facts / falsehoods / whatever, just ask. I'm not responding to these individuals & placed them on "ignore" due to their continual flaming of me and others- I'm not here for that. Rather, I'm here to celebrate Christ & better love my fellow man.
Ignore forever, I don't care, I'm still going to expose your cult. None of this factual exposing of your cult is flaming, your over used, tired, and old false accusation. Facts aren't flaming yet whensoever any on here use them that's your comeback.

Doing a search of your above first sentence leads to Mormon links not Scripture. When you say Christ it isn't the same Christ of Scripture. Your cult by its own admittance preaches "ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ." Note Galatians 1:8-10 you all.

All this being well known and said shows her statement may sound almost accurate, yet in the end it is vague, raises a red flag, and never shows what they truly believe about Christ.

Born a "humble baby?" As opposed to being born a "proud baby?"

Sounds so good though, her "gospel" right? Wrong. Their Christ is a created being fathered by God physically in the flesh with Mary.

Yes, physically.

Satan is his brother. "All of us" are their spirit brothers.
 
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Good question. Listening to their teachings the last many months they use the same words but they have different meanings.

Another question is "Who is their Christ?" That is what needs to be out in the open, but then they will only skirt around this question.

The fact remains that if they answer they may (on forum) only post Scripture to give appearance of being Christian.

John 8:24 is solemn in the face of these questions.
In post 1055 she acknowledges the only one whom can be the Christ, and she also states that she has been made aware of her sin and looks to a resurrected Christ, we know of no other that has performed this. I'm not really sure what is being alleged?
 

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In post 1055 she acknowledges the only one whom can be the Christ

Nope, sorry, that's incorrect, she did no such thing, she only made you believe she did. The Mormon Christ isn't Christ. Like I said, same terminology, different definitions.

I gave a link where you can listen and learn the difference and become aware of what is truly going on.

You're unaware the Christ of Mormonism isn't that of Scripture?
 
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The Good News: that the Savior has come and remembered His people. He is Jesus Christ, the very Son of God, creator of this world. He was born of a virgin a humble baby, lived a perfect life, suffered, and died - so that we can be redeemed. Me- in my wretchedness - can be redeemed. Our sins wiped away, crimson made white, and resurrected in Him - both literally and figuratively.


Note: there are some people on here that have extremely bad information about what they think I believe. Frankly, this does not match reality. If you want me to address any facts / falsehoods / whatever, just ask. I'm not responding to these individuals & placed them on "ignore" due to their continual flaming of me and others- I'm not here for that. Rather, I'm here to celebrate Christ & better love my fellow man.
To be honest you have nothing to prove to me, I'm by no means anyones judge. I was only interested in your answer because I wouldn't want for you to look to a false Christ.
 

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Nope, sorry, that's incorrect, she did no such thing, she only made you believe she did. The Mormon Christ isn't Christ. Like I said, same terminology, different definitions.

I gave a link where you can listen and learn the difference and become aware of what is truly going on.

You're unaware the Christ of Mormonism isn't that of Scripture??????????????
I've never really known a Mormon.