Is Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday.

Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well understand the truth. there are not 3 days and three nights from friday to sunday. point blank.

PICJAG

Nobody is saying it is three full days.
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Paul Christensen · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well understand the truth. there are not 3 days and three nights from friday to sunday. point blank.

PICJAG

This causes a problem for those who believe that the week that Jesus went to the cross was a normal Sabbath week, and it was assumed that the legs of the criminals were broken on the Friday so they weren't hanging on the cross on the Saturday.

But the Holy Spirit said through the gospel writers that Jesus was dead for three days and three nights. We either have to say that people's calculations are wrong, or the Holy Spirit was wrong. But we know that the Holy Spirit is always accurate in what He says, and the truth is that Jesus spent exactly three days and three nights in the tomb.

But, the Holy Spirit said just "three days and nights", He didn't specify that all those days were exactly 24 hour days, showing that the first day may not have been 24 hours. So, if Jesus died at 3pm on the Thursday, then the three days would be from 3pm Thursday, all of Friday, and all of Saturday, and the nights would have been Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night.

Now, we know from the historical record, that this particular Sabbath week was not the ordinary one. We know that there there were many pilgrims for all over the regions who were in Jerusalem at the time of the day of Pentecost. Also, that it was the Sabbath Week which included the Passover. This meant that Friday and Saturday were both part of the Sabbath for that week, the Friday being the preparation, the passover lambs killed at 3pm on the Thursday, the exact time when Jesus died on the cross (quite significant being that Jesus is our Passover Lamb). Even the time that Jesus went to the cross and spent just three hours suffering the wrath of God for our sin, had to be planned so that Jesus had to give up His life exactly when the Passover lambs were to be killed.

So, the Friday had to be the day when all the preparations for the Passover had to be done, because no one could work on the Saturday. The last supper was not the Passover because it was on Wednesday night, before the Passover lambs were actually killed at 3pm on the Thursday.

I have included all this to make the background to be perfectly clear as to why Jesus did spend an actual three days and three nights in the tomb, and he died at the exact time the Passover lambs were killed, to link it with His death as our Passover Lamb.

So, the Holy Spirit is totally correct about the time Jesus actually spent in the tomb, and that people who say that Jesus died on the Friday are not correct and are giving the impression that the Holy Spirit is wrong in what He said to the gospel writers.

Paul Christensen · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
Nobody is saying it is three full days.
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Correct. But the Holy Spirit is saying that it was three days and three nights, which puts Jesus' death at 3pm on the Thursday, not the Friday.

101G · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
Nobody is saying it is three full days.
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well the bible say so. Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". and there are twelve hours in a day. John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world". well if the Lord Jesus say so then for me that final. now knowing that lets look at your good friday crucifixion. we will use your standards.

Day #1, just for argument sake, if you count the whole day, from 6am to 6pm = 1 day.
Night #1, from 6pm to 6am = 1 Night. this is your Good Friday... correct.

Day #2, 6am to 6pm =1 day
Night #2, 6pm to 6am = 1 Night. this is your saturday correct.

Day #3, 6am to 6pm...... uh O did he not rise on Day 3 well you still have a NIGHT to Go to get 3 nights.
DO ONE SEE THE ERROR IN YOUR LOGIC OF A GOOD FRIDAY CRUCFIXION? why keep on being decieved? Just read THE TRUTH.

if we contuine with this false understanding one will have our Lord rising on a monday....well I guest it's "WORK" DAY from your rest...

.... oh Well. but see the deception now? that good friday is no "good".

PICJAG.

Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
Correct. But the Holy Spirit is saying that it was three days and three nights, which puts Jesus' death at 3pm on the Thursday, not the Friday.

Thanks for that. Am I right in thinking it was as eight day week?
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Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well the bible say so. Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". and there are twelve hours in a day. John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world". well if the Lord Jesus say so then for me that final. now knowing that lets look at your good friday crucifixion. we will use your standards.

Day #1, just for argument sake, if you count the whole day, from 6am to 6pm = 1 day.
Night #1, from 6pm to 6am = 1 Night. this is your Good Friday... correct.

Day #2, 6am to 6pm =1 day
Night #2, 6pm to 6am = 1 Night. this is your saturday correct.

Day #3, 6am to 6pm...... uh O did he not rise on Day 3 well you still have a NIGHT to Go to get 3 nights.
DO ONE SEE THE ERROR IN YOUR LOGIC OF A GOOD FRIDAY CRUCFIXION? why keep on being decieved? Just read THE TRUTH.

if we contuine with this false understanding one will have our Lord rising on a monday....well I guest it's "WORK" DAY from your rest... .... oh Well. but see the deception now? that good friday is no "good".

PICJAG.

I said earlier that "three days and three nights" is a Jewish idiom found several times in scripture meaning they were dead, and should not be taken literally.
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101G · Mar 28, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
This causes a problem for those who believe that the week that Jesus went to the cross was a normal Sabbath week, and it was assumed that the legs of the criminals were broken on the Friday so they weren't hanging on the cross on the Saturday.

But the Holy Spirit said through the gospel writers that Jesus was dead for three days and three nights. We either have to say that people's calculations are wrong, or the Holy Spirit was wrong. But we know that the Holy Spirit is always accurate in what He says, and the truth is that Jesus spent exactly three days and three nights in the tomb.

But, the Holy Spirit said just "three days and nights", He didn't specify that all those days were exactly 24 hour days, showing that the first day may not have been 24 hours. So, if Jesus died at 3pm on the Thursday, then the three days would be from 3pm Thursday, all of Friday, and all of Saturday, and the nights would have been Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night.

Now, we know from the historical record, that this particular Sabbath week was not the ordinary one. We know that there there were many pilgrims for all over the regions who were in Jerusalem at the time of the day of Pentecost. Also, that it was the Sabbath Week which included the Passover. This meant that Friday and Saturday were both part of the Sabbath for that week, the Friday being the preparation, the passover lambs killed at 3pm on the Thursday, the exact time when Jesus died on the cross (quite significant being that Jesus is our Passover Lamb). Even the time that Jesus went to the cross and spent just three hours suffering the wrath of God for our sin, had to be planned so that Jesus had to give up His life exactly when the Passover lambs were to be killed.

So, the Friday had to be the day when all the preparations for the Passover had to be done, because no one could work on the Saturday. The last supper was not the Passover because it was on Wednesday night, before the Passover lambs were actually killed at 3pm on the Thursday.

I have included all this to make the background to be perfectly clear as to why Jesus did spend an actual three days and three nights in the tomb, and he died at the exact time the Passover lambs were killed, to link it with His death as our Passover Lamb.

So, the Holy Spirit is totally correct about the time Jesus actually spent in the tomb, and that people who say that Jesus died on the Friday are not correct and are giving the impression that the Holy Spirit is wrong in what He said to the gospel writers.

thanks for the reply but I have just one little problem with this and here it is, what sabbath was the next day from the cruifiction? supportive scripture, Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath". so what day was that?

PICJAG.

101G · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
I said earlier that "three days and three nights" is a Jewish idiom found several times in scripture meaning they were dead, and should not be taken literally.
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well 12 hrs in a day is literal.

PICJAG.

Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well 12 hrs in a day is literal.

PICJAG.

When the Bible says Friday to Sunday that is good enough for me.
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101G · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
When the Bible says Friday to Sunday that is good enough for me.
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please post that scripture that says that ...

PICJAG

Paul Christensen · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well the bible say so. Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". and there are twelve hours in a day. John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world". well if the Lord Jesus say so then for me that final. now knowing that lets look at your good friday crucifixion. we will use your standards.

Day #1, just for argument sake, if you count the whole day, from 6am to 6pm = 1 day.
Night #1, from 6pm to 6am = 1 Night. this is your Good Friday... correct.

Day #2, 6am to 6pm =1 day
Night #2, 6pm to 6am = 1 Night. this is your saturday correct.

Day #3, 6am to 6pm...... uh O did he not rise on Day 3 well you still have a NIGHT to Go to get 3 nights.
DO ONE SEE THE ERROR IN YOUR LOGIC OF A GOOD FRIDAY CRUCFIXION? why keep on being decieved? Just read THE TRUTH.

if we contuine with this false understanding one will have our Lord rising on a monday....well I guest it's "WORK" DAY from your rest... .... oh Well. but see the deception now? that good friday is no "good".

PICJAG.

You are combining two separate verses from two different contexts. The Holy Spirit didn't say that Jesus was in the tomb 3 12 hour days. He just said "three days" which fits from 3pm to dusk on the first day (Thursday) leading to a night, two whole days and a night, which makes three days.

Remember this Scripture:
"Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6).

What this is saying is that every word of God is flawless, so if the Holy Spirit says that Jesus was in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights, then that is how many days and nights He spent there. To say different is to say that this word of God is flawed, and therefore the Holy Spirit who said it is flawed, leading to the gospel that you are depending on for your eternal salvation is flawed. See where this is leading?

The second verse is that if you add to God's word (by telling the Holy Spirit that He meant 12 hour days when He never said anything of the sort), then God could come to you, rebuke you and expose you as a liar.

Now, I am not saying these things. The Holy Spirit is. All I am doing is repeating what the Holy Spirit has said in the Bible.

Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
Correct. But the Holy Spirit is saying that it was three days and three nights, which puts Jesus' death at 3pm on the Thursday, not the Friday.

Day (yome) means a period of time of any duration from a few hours to eternity. You are falling into the trap of thinking a 'day' in Hebrew means exactly 24 hours.

Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
please post that scripture that says that ...

PICJAG

When you question the Bible that tells us Jesus was crucified on the Friday and rose on the Sunday, I cannot see any point in responding to you.
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Truth · Mar 28, 2020

Hobie said:
Not for God, He set up the weekly cycle of seven days from Creation...
Genesis 2:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

I guess it depends on what god you serve! God sanctified One Given Day, and if we keep that Given Day, set apart and Holy, then we are being Obedient to that God, and we also by keeping That Day, we Declare that He is The God of Creation, for in that Day HE Rested!

101G · Mar 28, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
The Holy Spirit didn't say that Jesus was in the tomb 3 12 hour days. He just said "three days" which fits from 3pm to dusk on the first day (Thursday) leading to a night, two whole days and a night, which makes three days.

Remember this Scripture:
"Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6).

well lets see what a day is.... John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world".

Matthew 20:19 "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again".

Luke 24:45 "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luke 24:46 "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day".

man oh man, the answer is right in front of your very own eyes and yet you cannot see it. for the scriptures are correct, Isaiah 44:18 "They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand".

if one cannot see it by now..... may the Lord have MERCY.

PICJAG.

101G · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
When you question the Bible that tells us Jesus was crucified on the Friday and rose on the Sunday, I cannot see any point in responding to you.
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FIRST THANKS FOR THE REPLY, second, don't worry if you don't respond to me, I can assure you I want loose any sleep over it...

but thanks for the conversation anyway.

PICJAG.

Paul Christensen · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
When the Bible says Friday to Sunday that is good enough for me.
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The Bible does not say Friday to Sunday. It says the day before the Passover which was the Thursday before (John 13:1). That was the day of preparation when the Passover lambs were killed, and the legs of the criminals were broken because the Jews did not want them hanging on the cross during Passover day and the following Sabbath.

The week where the Passover and the Sabbath combined was not the ordinary Sabbath week. It was a festival week where pilgrims from all around the regions came to celebrate the Passover in Jerusalem. We know this because many were still there 40 days later for the Feast of Tabernacles (Pentecost). Because travel was much slower and longer in those days, it makes no sense for them to travel back home and then all the way back for the next festival. So, many stayed over, and that is why they were there on the Day of Pentecost.

So the timeline for the week that Jesus was crucified was as follows"
The last supper with the disciples and the arrest of Jesus - Wednesday
The trial of Jesus - Thursday morning.
The crucifixion - 12 noon on Thursday
Jesus died and buried - 3pm on Thursday
Passover preparation day in which the lambs were killed - Thursday
Passover itself - Friday
The Sabbath day - Saturday
Jesus' resurrection - Sunday morning.
Passover

Paul Christensen · Mar 28, 2020

Cooper said:
Day (yome) means a period of time of any duration from a few hours to eternity. You are falling into the trap of thinking a 'day' in Hebrew means exactly 24 hours.

Oh come on! I am not even going to respond to that one! That's not even an intelligent answer!

Paul Christensen · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well lets see what a day is.... John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world".

Matthew 20:19 "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again".

Luke 24:45 "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luke 24:46 "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day".

man oh man, the answer is right in front of your very own eyes and yet you cannot see it. for the scriptures are correct, Isaiah 44:18 "They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand".

if one cannot see it by now..... may the Lord have MERCY.

PICJAG.

There is nothing in the Scripture that backs your answer up. You are reading into Scripture that is not there, and you are ignoring Jewish culture and history and what happens in Passover week. Proverbs 30:5-6 is your judge. Not me. You are adding to Scripture to support your own dogmatic view that Jesus had to die on the Friday, and you are twisting another verse out of its context to try and prove it.

There is much more evidential support through the precise words of the Holy Spirit - 3 days and 3 nights, and through the Jewish Passover week, and that the last supper was before the Passover, and that Jewish custom would have had people hanging on crosses during Passover day (Friday) an offence to them and would have caused a major riot against the Roman authorities in Jerusalem.

But there is no evidential support for Jesus being crucified on the Friday, and it makes a liar out of Jesus himself when He said as Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days and 3 night so He will be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. So if Jesus Himself said it, and the Holy Spirit said it, then Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.

So who's lying, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or you?

Cooper · Mar 28, 2020

101G said:
well lets see what a day is.... John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world".

Matthew 20:19 "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again".

Luke 24:45 "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luke 24:46 "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day".

man oh man, the answer is right in front of your very own eyes and yet you cannot see it. for the scriptures are correct, Isaiah 44:18 "They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand".

if one cannot see it by now..... may the Lord have MERCY.

PICJAG.

You do not understand the parable.

John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? — (See on Joh_9:4). Our Lord’s day had now reached its eleventh hour, and having till now “walked in the day,” He would not mistime the remaining and more critical part of His work, which would be as fatal, He says, as omitting it altogether; for “if a man (so He speaks, putting Himself under the same great law of duty as all other men - if a man) walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.” (Jamison-Fawcett-Brown)
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