Are You Free From The Law?

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Elihoenai

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Sorry Elihoenai, I don't agree with your brief, and thus, strange premises?
You need to explain your position further, in order for people to understand these complex and controversial issues. i.e. Law of Works, Law of Faith, Antinomianism, Faith & Works, etc...
Therefore, due to your deficient understanding of the subject at hand, I am almost convinced that you do not know who the 'two powerful types are', or even that there is such an entity.
Seriously!

@DNB,

Romans 7:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


You cannot deny the Nature that you actually have.
 

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But the law concerning baptisms in the mossaic law says wash your hands?

Luke 11:37-38 King James Version (KJV)

37 And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.

38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.


There is no command in the Law of Moses to wash your hands before dinner. Yeshua/Jesus is Sinless, therefore, he is blameless concerning any Law requirements.
 

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Matthew 5:48 King James Version (KJV)

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


That is a broken link that you posted.

We only listen to Yeshua/Jesus and totally reject lying Satanist. You must be Sinless and Perfect.
Why don't you quote all of that chapter?
 

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Romans 8:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Do you think you are free from the Law? How can you be free from the Law when you cannot stop Sinning?
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

This is how to be free from it.
 

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Sinners are not free from the Law, but only these folks are....


18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Sinners are not led of the Spirit, therefore remain under the schoolmaster.

Graduation from this school requires an Acts 2:38 certificate.
 

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@DNB,
Romans 7:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
You cannot deny the Nature that you actually have.
Ok, finally, you made your point clear, but I still question your explanation, and thus understanding?
To say that the flesh is above the Law has it merits, for that which is at enmity with something else, or attempts to defy it, can be said that it considers itself to be above it.
But, the heart, as Paul was referring to in the context that you gave, was attempting to adhere to the Law, and not rise above it as if to be not subject to it.
Unless you were referring to the Law of Faith somehow, of which wisdom and the heart recognize it to be above the law.
You have a very strange approach and understanding?
 

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Romans 8:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Do you think you are free from the Law? How can you be free from the Law when you cannot stop Sinning?
The Mosaic law is no longer valid, but the Ten Commandments always are, plus Jesus gave us fifty additional commandments, neither should we grieve the Holy Spirit and we should always obey the laws of those who rule over us.
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Thinking about what I said in the post above regarding obeying the law of the land, it is like this: I obey British law, Americans obey American law, Canadians Canadian law and this is how it is around the world. Jews obey Jewish law unless they are living abroad, and neither do we obey Jewish law. Neither do the Greeks, Babylonians, Palestinians, the French, Germans or whoever. So in answer to the question, the answer is, people of other nations keep their own laws and them only. And if people are thinking about the laws in the Old Testament, they are Jewish laws, not American, British or anyone else's law.
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Do you think you are free from the Law? How can you be free from the Law when you cannot stop Sinning?
You seem to be confused. Who cannot stop sinning?

The Law (the Ten Commandments) renders all people guilty before God. When they are saved by grace they receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit empowers the saints to stop sinning and do that which is righteous. Furthermore, when God justifies a sinner by His grace, that person is deemed to be as righteous as Christ, since he or she is clothed with the righteousness of Christ.
 
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If Ian not free from the law. I am condemned by the law. As Moses said. Whoever does not confirm and OBEY every word is cursed. That’s why paul has n quoting these words Say that whoever is under the law is under a curse

as James said if we live our whole life having kept he law perfectly as Moses commanded. Yet stumble in just
One point we are guilty

if you want to be under law then admit your guilty and have no hope

if you want to be freed from the law
And all the things the law has which is
Contrary to you and against you and take it to Christ who nailed it to the cross
 

Elihoenai

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Why don't you quote all of that chapter?

Acts 17:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


The true seekers do the study required for understanding.
 

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18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

This is how to be free from it.

2 Timothy 3:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.


Therefore, a man must examine himself as to whether he is walking according to the Flesh or according to the Spirit. Deceiving yourself don't make it true.
 
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Being under grace means we are in Christ so as to walk as He walked...in His power over sin. Of course there is a learning curve to this. But the walk is on that level. If we have never walked beyond human strength then we are still under the law.

That is the truth as difficult as that may seem to be.
 
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Ok, finally, you made your point clear, but I still question your explanation, and thus understanding?
To say that the flesh is above the Law has it merits, for that which is at enmity with something else, or attempts to defy it, can be said that it considers itself to be above it.
But, the heart, as Paul was referring to in the context that you gave, was attempting to adhere to the Law, and not rise above it as if to be not subject to it.
Unless you were referring to the Law of Faith somehow, of which wisdom and the heart recognize it to be above the law.
You have a very strange approach and understanding?

2 Peter 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


Why did you edit my post by making it more difficult to read? We are sure you aware that having spaces between sentences on computer makes it easier to read.

@DNB, you appear to be a Deceiver!

You wrest Paul's writings and, apparently, you have not understood my explanation.
 

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The Mosaic law is no longer valid, but the Ten Commandments always are, plus Jesus gave us fifty additional commandments, neither should we grieve the Holy Spirit and we should always obey the laws of those who rule over us.
.

The Ten Commandments is the Mosaic Law.
 

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Thinking about what I said in the post above regarding obeying the law of the land, it is like this: I obey British law, Americans obey American law, Canadians Canadian law and this is how it is around the world. Jews obey Jewish law unless they are living abroad, and neither do we obey Jewish law. Neither do the Greeks, Babylonians, Palestinians, the French, Germans or whoever. So in answer to the question, the answer is, people of other nations keep their own laws and them only. And if people are thinking about the laws in the Old Testament, they are Jewish laws, not American, British or anyone else's law.
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Moses is a Levite. Therefore, you are saying that you are not part of the Commonwealth of Israel.

You cannot be of a particular Nation if you don't do the requirements that make you that Nation.
 

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If Ian not free from the law. I am condemned by the law. As Moses said. Whoever does not confirm and OBEY every word is cursed. That’s why paul has n quoting these words Say that whoever is under the law is under a curse

as James said if we live our whole life having kept he law perfectly as Moses commanded. Yet stumble in just
One point we are guilty

if you want to be under law then admit your guilty and have no hope

if you want to be freed from the law
And all the things the law has which is
Contrary to you and against you and take it to Christ who nailed it to the cross

Matthew 16:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.