Church Defied Coronavirus Order

Heart2Soul · Mar 25, 2020

Mayflower said:
Hi yall! So I have been off for awhile, because prego has been resting and watching what she is looking at. But I'm at home more now since the preschool has a lot less children then we usually do, so I thought I would hop back on here, and have been lurking. I hope everyone is doing okay!

Anyway, I read this interesting article tonight on a church that defied orders and had church service with hundreds and wondered yalls thoughts about it. Both churches I like attending have gone online for awhile, and it was a great blessing today! But part of me believes that God would care for His congregation if they assembled as a group. I do not pretend to know how God works. And I believe Christians are not immune to sickness. Look at Job. God allowed that hedge of protection to be removed in his case. But if this starts becoming a new "normal", I don't think online counts in the long run. We are not to forsake the assembly of the saints! We definitely need each other. I think it is wise to adhere to our leaders and be safe. But at the same time, this can easily become an excuse to stop assembly all together. I trust God in this situation, but was just curious of what y'all thought about it. I love all the different types of thinkers on here from all walks of faith!!!!

Police show up at Louisiana church that was defying coronavirus state order

Hi Mayflower! Long time-no see...lol.
Here is what scripture says:
Romans 13:1-7
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute [is due]; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

And in this scripture:
Acts 5:26-32
26Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.

27And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,

28Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

So by going to the Bible and seeking the answer to your OP we are commanded to obey the laws of the land EXCEPT when those laws contradict His Word.

IMHO....In the case of this particular church disobeying the mandate to not assemble then the church is wrong. For the safety and wellness of everyone we should respect the temporary bans to assemble in a public place in large numbers.

God Bless!

Edited: Ooops...I just saw another person posted the same thing...sorry.

Heart2Soul · Mar 25, 2020

rockytopva said:
I believe there is another illness infecting Anerica.... Cabin Fever! I went to the Blacksburg Sweet Frog and was told that the lady would have to fix up my frozen yogurt and I would have to eat it on my motorcycle outside!

Paul Christensen · Mar 25, 2020

rockytopva said:
I believe there is another illness infecting Anerica.... Cabin Fever! I went to the Blacksburg Sweet Frog and was told that the lady would have to fix up my frozen yogurt and I would have to eat it on my motorcycle outside!

I am so glad that I have a very pleasant home with an enclosed section, plenty of Youtube videos to watch, and plenty of good exchanges on this forum to keep me occupied. Plus good companionship with my wife, two cats, and when I am dog-sitting my daughter's pug!

Pearl · Mar 27, 2020

Going back to the OP, I have been wondering why churches that are supposed to trust in God should be shutting their doors during this crisis but if it is law I suppose they haven't much choice.

Also I've been thinking that perhaps Christian who trust God could be doing more to help their communities.

Of course in order to come under God's protection there would have to be a leading of the Spirit and a knowledge that they were in God's will.

VictoryinJesus · Mar 27, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
About this guy's statements:
"The virus, we believe, is politically motivated,” Spell told WAFB. “We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says.” Spell said his church, which normally has more than 1,000 attendees on Sunday across five locations, will be distributing “anointed handkerchiefs” to provide members with “healing virtues.”

He'd better be able to back this up or he will be forever remembered for killing people.

Exactly. “Anointed handkerchiefs” to provide members with “healing virtues”. And if it is fake and people get the virus and die from his spreading of falsehood, and then their families get it too...then he sent them all in under false assumption of making himself something he is not. What is the testimony then?

Enoch111 · Mar 27, 2020

Pearl said:
...but if it is law I suppose they haven't much choice.

And this is the real issue. The law should have applied only to those who had actually experienced the symptoms and they should have been asked to quarantine themselves. To simply stop people from gathering is the first step in tyranny. And that is what we are seeing worldwide.

Now here's the interesting thing. There have been epidemics and pandemics for several decades, but no government has insisted on every port and airport having a separate quarantine facility for travelers showing symptoms of any of the epidemics. This in itself could have made a huge difference.

Jane_Doe22 · Mar 27, 2020

Pearl said:
Going back to the OP, I have been wondering why churches that are supposed to trust in God should be shutting their doors during this crisis but if it is law I suppose they haven't much choice.

Also I've been thinking that perhaps Christian who trust God could be doing more to help their communities.

Of course in order to come under God's protection there would have to be a leading of the Spirit and a knowledge that they were in God's will.

It's a matter of being good stewards and using the gifts God gave us (including our brains to understand what's going on). Churches still live and still do things for each other and the community, regardless of whether or not they meet in person. And in this case, keeping things in small groups / digital is something that helps the community & each other.

Steve Owen · Mar 28, 2020

Pearl said:
Going back to the OP, I have been wondering why churches that are supposed to trust in God should be shutting their doors during this crisis but if it is law I suppose they haven't much choice.

Also I've been thinking that perhaps Christian who trust God could be doing more to help their communities.

Of course in order to come under God's protection there would have to be a leading of the Spirit and a knowledge that they were in God's will.

I think Matthew 4:6-7 has something to say to us here: 'You shall not test the Lord your God.'

Prayer Warrior · Mar 29, 2020

Mayflower said:
Hi yall! So I have been off for awhile, because prego has been resting and watching what she is looking at. But I'm at home more now since the preschool has a lot less children then we usually do, so I thought I would hop back on here, and have been lurking. I hope everyone is doing okay!

Anyway, I read this interesting article tonight on a church that defied orders and had church service with hundreds and wondered yalls thoughts about it. Both churches I like attending have gone online for awhile, and it was a great blessing today! But part of me believes that God would care for His congregation if they assembled as a group. I do not pretend to know how God works. And I believe Christians are not immune to sickness. Look at Job. God allowed that hedge of protection to be removed in his case. But if this starts becoming a new "normal", I don't think online counts in the long run. We are not to forsake the assembly of the saints! We definitely need each other. I think it is wise to adhere to our leaders and be safe. But at the same time, this can easily become an excuse to stop assembly all together. I trust God in this situation, but was just curious of what y'all thought about it. I love all the different types of thinkers on here from all walks of faith!!!!

Police show up at Louisiana church that was defying coronavirus state order

Good to see you back on the forum, Mayflower!! How are you doing? (Sorry if you've already explained this. I haven't read all of the posts in this thread.)

Nancy · Mar 29, 2020

marksman said:
Did you hear about the young man who went out and bought himself a car? That is right. And the next day he went out and bought himself another car. And the next day he went out and bought himself another car. By the time he had bought half a dozen cars in six days, his neighbor noticed things.

The neighbour was talking over the fence to his father and asked what was going on with his son.

"Oh, nothing to worry about," said the father. "He went to see the doctor who had come across it before."

"What was the doctor's diagnosis?"

"Simple. He had a case of car owner virus. He will get over it in a few weeks."

Guestman · Mar 29, 2020

How many appreciate what God (whose personal name is Jehovah, Ps 83:18) did to Moses sister Miriam when he struck her with the highly contagious disease called leprosy, due to her being the "ring leader" in asking for authority she had no right to and then had to be quarantined for seven days outside the camp of Israel ?(Num 12:1-15)

Or how many appreciate the sound counsel at Leviticus 13 regarding leprosy, whereby that if a man developed "a swelling, a scab, or a blotch and it could become the disease of leprosy on his skin" he was to be examined by the priests to tell if it was really leprosy, so that "if the blotch on his skin is white and its appearance is not deeper than the skin and the hair has not turned white, the priest will then quarantine the infected person seven days".(Lev 13:1-4)

On the seventh day, he was re-examined by the priest, and if the infection had abated, not spreading on the skin, he was quarantined for another seven days (for a total of fourteen days), so that he was now declared "clean", and he was to wash his clothes to show that he is "clean".(Lev 13:5, 6)

But if he develops "chronic leprosy on his skin", such as an open sore or boil, a "leaking" sore that contains the free flow of a bacteria (the bacterium Mycobacterium leprae, and in which a bacteria can be considered "living" while a virus is not, being a DNA or RNA protein encapsulated by a membrane and is much smaller than a bacteria) and contaminates his clothing with a yellowish-green or reddish stain (getting into the "woof " and "warp" of his clothing, or cross-sections of his clothing, then the clothing was to be burned), he was now considered as "unclean" and was to be quarantined for seven days.

He was reexamined to see if the leprosy had abated, and if so, then he was quarantined for another seven days until it was well established that the leprosy was gone.(Lev chpt 13; Note: there were no doctors or physicians in those days, a medical field that would only become really established in modern times with any notable capability, and is still incapable of completely removing all forms of illnesses and death)

Hence, what does this show ? That Jehovah God provides sound guidelines for infectious diseases, expressing the need for "social distancing" for now, and in which Proverbs 22:3 says: "The shrewd one sees the danger ahead and conceals himself, but the inexperienced (or naive who are "reckless and overconfident", Prov 14:16) keep right on going an suffer the consequences".

However, in the near future, all infectious diseases will be eradicated, along with all "wicked people", for Psalms 37 says: "Just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; You will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.....forever".(Ps 37:10, 11, 29)

And then at Isaiah 33, it says for those who have placed "Jehovah (as) our hope.....our arm.....our salvation in the time of distress" (Isa 33:2), that he will do this for them: "And no resident will say: "I am sick". The people (or Jehovah's people) dwelling in the land (or on the paradise earth, Matt 5:5) will be pardoned (or forgiven) for their error".(Isa 33:24; compare Mark 2:1-12)

This harmonizes with Revelation 21, whereby it states: "With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look ! The tent of God is with mankind (not in heaven, but on the earth, where sin and death originated), and he will reside with them (not physically, but by means of his holy spirit), and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither mourning nor outcry nor pain (of heart) be anymore. The former things have passed away. And the One seated on the throne (Jehovah God) said: "Look ! I am making all things new (like starting fresh or new as in the garden of Eden before the mutiny by Satan, Adam and Eve, Gen 3:1-6)". Also he says: "Write, for these word are faithful and true".(Rev 21:3-5)

achristian1985 · Mar 30, 2020

'be subject to the authorities'. This is lawlessness, and against God's Word

aspen · Mar 31, 2020

Poor Trump....

onlyme17 · Mar 31, 2020

aspen said:
Poor Trump....

Can I ask WHY?
This has nothing to do with him...but everything to do with China!!
Think back , be it bird flu or any other horror virus...it comes from China ...

aspen · Mar 31, 2020

onlyme17 said:
Can I ask WHY?
This has nothing to do with him...but everything to do with China!!
Think back , be it bird flu or any other horror virus...it comes from China ...

I was just being sarcastic - Trump picks his enemies and targets them relentlessly, so I shed no tears for him when people criticize his Presidency.

You are right, he has as much to do with the Covid-19 virus as he does the fate of the economy - a minuscule amount. We were going to get hit with this virus no matter what he did.

Hopefully, we can all get through this and get back to work and Trump can get back to annihilating Obama’s legacy......

oh the humanity

onlyme17 · Mar 31, 2020

aspen said:
I was just being sarcastic - Trump picks his enemies and targets them relentlessly, so I shed no tears for him when people criticize his Presidency.

You are right, he has as much to do with the Covid-19 virus as he does the fate of the economy - a minuscule amount. We were going to get hit with this virus no matter what he did.

Hopefully, we can all get through this and get back to work and Trump can get back to annihilating Obama’s legacy......

oh the humanity

Thanks for your reply, I'm not sure that we will ever 'get over this '.
So many many small business will fail. They have closed, but I am sure they wont be able to open again. The poor little man down the road was so pleased with his lovely new hot dog machine. ( to go with the take-out coffee's etc) I bet that it is not paid for yet, now with this, so many will run up bills that they can never ever pay off. How sad.

Nancy · Mar 31, 2020

aspen said:
I was just being sarcastic - Trump picks his enemies and targets them relentlessly, so I shed no tears for him when people criticize his Presidency.

You are right, he has as much to do with the Covid-19 virus as he does the fate of the economy - a minuscule amount. We were going to get hit with this virus no matter what he did.

Hopefully, we can all get through this and get back to work and Trump can get back to annihilating Obama’s legacy......

oh the humanity

Agreed Ron,

Willie T · Mar 31, 2020

We had a well-known evangelist do that here in Florida, Rodney Howard Brown. They arrested him and fined him, I believe. As, well they should have! That was a stupid show-boating thing to do.

Giuliano · Mar 31, 2020

Willie T said:
We had a well-known evangelist do that here in Florida, Rodney Howard Brown. They arrested him and fined him, I believe. As, well they should have! That was a stupid show-boating thing to do.

His pal, Jonathan Shuttlesworth, says he's still planning a big event for Easter.

Story here: Pastor says he’ll still host ‘Woodstock-like’ Easter event amid coronavirus lockdown despite Florida preacher’s arrest - The Stars Post

Shuttlesworth is the guy who said a while ago the US would be minimally affected.

Giuliano · Mar 31, 2020

Willie T said:
We had a well-known evangelist do that here in Florida, Rodney Howard Brown. They arrested him and fined him, I believe. As, well they should have! That was a stupid show-boating thing to do.

I just found out he was telling people they'd never run out of toilet paper.

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